The Xbox One Thread v6.0

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Sony has grabbed an early lead in the gaming console war, selling 6 million PlayStation 4 consoles since November. Microsoft has sold perhaps 4 million Xbox Ones, and has clearly fallen into the No. 2 position in next-generation consoles after leading with the Xbox 360.

Marc Whitten, chief product officer of the Xbox One, dropped a bomb this week as he announced he was leaving to take an executive post at wireless audio equipment manufacturer Sonos. That’s a little scary for game developers who are thinking about throwing their support behind Microsoft’s state-of-the-art game console.

But Phil Harrison, the corporate vice president of Europe and other regions, isn’t panicking. He says that we’re just 120 days into the console cycle, and Microsoft has plenty of momentum from last week’s launch of Titanfall, a universally well received sci-fi shooter made by Call of Duty’s creators. Harrison is reassuring studios, and he points to the addition of 250 indie game developers to the Xbox One platform.

We caught up with Harrison at the Game Developers Conference in San Francisco. Here’s an edited transcript of our conversation.

GamesBeat: What would you highlight at this stage of the console cycle? How well are things going? What’s your postmortem on the last few months?

Harrison: Things are going great. It’s the fastest, most successful launch in our history. Titanfall is blowing the doors off, literally and figuratively. Great engagement, just fantastic proof of users not only buying Xbox One, but using it in a very engaged way. More than five hours average use per day, which is amazing.

The ID@Xbox program, which we’re showcasing today — moving from announcement and concept at Gamescom last August to reality here, with more than 250 developers already in receipt of tools and working on games. We have 25 games playable here. Just to put that 250 developers in context, that’s more than the entire independent developer cohort on Xbox 360. In 120 days, we have more developers working on Xbox One in the ID program than we had lifetime on 360.
GamesBeat: Is it a wide open door, basically? Everyone who wants to try something can find a way to get on the platform?

Harrison: That’s our goal. We want to democratize development as best we can. Clearly, while we’re giving out dedicated dev kits to developers, there’s a finite supply of those, so we’re not able to open the doors completely. But you can see that the quality and depth and variety in the games we’re showing here. It’s worth pointing out that these 25 games here are not necessarily the first 25 games, or the best 25 games. They’re a representative sample of what was available to us in partnership with our developers today. It shows incredibly exciting promise for the future.

GamesBeat: Sony seems to be ahead in console sales for the moment. What’s your view on how that’s going and how you can catch up or overtake them?

Harrison: We’re 120 days into our platform lifecycle. You know better than anyone that this is a marathon, not a sprint. We’re happy with our plan. We’re happy with the performances of our key franchises and key partnerships, most notably Titanfall in the last couple of weeks. You can see independent surveys and studies showing our sell-through doubling in the U.K. as far as hardware. We have a fantastic lineup we’ll reveal more of at E3 and beyond. We have a lot of great surprises to come.

GamesBeat: You have some interesting uses of Kinect coming up — Project Spark, Kinect Sports Rivals. They’re doing some cool things there.

Harrison: The teams have really gotten to grips with the capabilities of the technology. Kinect Sports Rivals, particularly, with the virtual-athlete creator, where you can stand in front of Kinect and it makes a characterization of you. That’s a magical experience. It looks simple, but under the hood it’s incredibly powerful software technology at work.

Here, we have a number of examples where developers are using Kinect in impactful ways to augment their game design, whether it’s voice activation in Capybara’s game, or the game FRU, which is in the back corner. It uses your shadow to create an alternate version of the game world, so that in a platformer, you reveal parts of the game by moving around. It’s very clever. I hope that games like Spark and Kinect Sports Rivals will act as showcases for the technology and not just for consumers but also for developers.

GamesBeat: What’s the message to hook more developers in that you’re going to convey here?

Harrison: We’ve had thousands of developers apply to our ID@Xbox program, an overwhelming response. As I said earlier, 250 developers are already off and running. We have no shortage of developer interest and creativity coming to our platform. That’s not just good for our platform. It’s great for gamers, and most important, it’s great for the industry. It’s giving a new on-ramp for developers to get into creation and distribution of games.

GamesBeat: How much of that is international?

Harrison: We announced, this morning, an additional 26 countries and regions for Xbox One coming in September. That will be 39 markets where Xbox One will be available by the end of the year. Partnering that with the ID@Xbox program means that I hope we find really culturally relevant local products and experiences coming to our platform. That will really accelerate us.
GamesBeat: Do you feel like all parts of the game industry are going to continue to grow here — console, online, mobile, everything growing all at once?

Harrison: There is no sight or indication of the overall growth of our industry slowing down. That’s healthy. More and more people are becoming gamers through a variety of platforms, a variety of entry points if you will for the medium of gaming. The demographics show that once you become a gamer, you stay a gamer. You might modify your playing habits over time to match your lifestyle, but we’re seeing this demographic of gamers throughout the world, throughout all ages. That’s very healthy for the future.

GamesBeat: Do you have priorities for this year?

Harrison: Make sure we have the best games on our platform, showing off our platform in the most amazing way. Reach as many consumers as we can in as many countries as we can. Continue to surprise and delight them with the best online service and the best entertainment experiences as well.

GamesBeat: Was September always the point in the schedule you’d planned another international launch? Or did you have to move it forward or back in some way because of different strategies?

Harrison: An awful lot of moving parts go into a particular date for introduction in a market. Some have to do with local issues around when folks are on holiday or when they’re back, the right time to work with retail partners, the availability of hardware supplies, the availability of content — there’s a number of factors. September’s the date that we landed on.GamesBeat: And Marc Whitten [chief product officer for Xbox One at Microsoft] has departed. In the wake of that change, how do you plan to adjust and manage the whole thing?

Harrison: We’re very sad to see Marc go. I’ve enjoyed working with him over the last couple of years. He’s been a great part of the Xbox success story over the last 14 years. We wish him very well in his endeavors. He’ll now be working on my second-favorite consumer electronics product in my house, after the Xbox. I’m a big Sonos fan.

But one of his legacies is he created a fantastic leadership team. The team that was in place yesterday will continue to be in place building our experiences tomorrow. It’s business as usual.

GamesBeat: What’s your own personal focus these days?

Harrison: In the very short term, now that Kinect Sports Rivals is done — I’m very proud of the work the team has done there — we have some big announcements that we’re going to unveil to the world in the next few months at E3 and Gamescom. It’s show season again.
 
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Ubi has unveiled the next Assassin's Creed, called AC Unity. It takes place in during the French Revolution:

 
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but would it be as good ? I mean they talk about MS back-end. Have they something special back there particular to the gaming needs.

In the article you posted earlier from respawn about the servers, under the heading What Is The Cloud, the guy says ,
" Amazon has a cloud that powers websites, Sony has a cloud that streams live gameplay so you can play games streamed live to your console and now Xbox Live somehow powers games"
So maybe there is something different about the backend of the MS servers.
 
Yep.

No reason to think they couldn't add a game hosting platform to it.
But according to devs it would be a very expensive choice. If Sony asked MS for renting Azure, MS would have no choice but give it to them at same cheap price point as for others. Remember fair licensing laws and services and what not. AWS is 3x more expensive than Azure and doesn't automaticaly scale like Azure wich is a huge plus.
http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/campaigns/azure-vs-aws/


By the way guys surprisingly KB really didn't say that xbox would need 50% power but just that difference between 720p and 900p is 50%. Now how much power it takes to upgrade from one to other varies from game to game. If you optimise for years it could be possible to actually make your code run more lean and achieve 900p with same power usage as you previously did with 720p. This is the reason why it's important to have SDK/API run the best they can as with better tools/software you get better optimisation.
 
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If a game runs at 720p on X1 and 1080p on PS4, it doesn't necessarily mean that the X1 is reaching its absolute limit, it's more likely that it could absolutely render at 1080p but doesn't meet the required say 30 fps , maybe it only averages 20-25 fps so the devs choose to go 720p. The X1 isn't going to need a % 50 power boost for that few extre fps needed for the dev to decide to go 1080p.
Take Tomb Raider for instance, both 1080p with X1 being locked at 30 fps, maintaining that 99% of the time and obviously it could have reached more if unlocked but would have made for obvious frame rate drops so was locked and the PS4 version being unlocked with the PS4 version sometimes hitting 60fps but mainly in 40-50 fps range, I don't see the massive power discrepancy some people are making out.
 
What I was saying even though if was in plain English and very easy to understand (so I'm slightly surprised that people here failed to grasp what it meant) was to up the reso from 720p to 900p or from 900p to 1080p requires roughly 50% more ALU and also more bandwidth and TEX how people misunderstood to really don't know, of course the xb1 has 1080p games they just mainly are downloadable indie titles for now.
 
What I was saying even though if was in plain English and very easy to understand (so I'm slightly surprised that people here failed to grasp what it meant) was to up the reso from 720p to 900p or from 900p to 1080p requires roughly 50% more ALU and also more bandwidth and TEX how people misunderstood to really don't know, of course the xb1 has 1080p games they just mainly are downloadable indie titles for now.
Forza5(+60fps)
FIFA
NBA 2K
Tomb Raider
NFL?
wolfenstein (+60fps)
NFS Rivals

when you are trying to make a point dont make up stuff, it just makes the rest of your point look invalid
 
What I was saying even though if was in plain English and very easy to understand (so I'm slightly surprised that people here failed to grasp what it meant) was to up the reso from 720p to 900p or from 900p to 1080p requires roughly 50% more ALU and also more bandwidth and TEX how people misunderstood to really don't know, of course the xb1 has 1080p games they just mainly are downloadable indie titles for now.


When they do run @900p/1080p then what?
 
What I was saying even though if was in plain English and very easy to understand (so I'm slightly surprised that people here failed to grasp what it meant) was to up the reso from 720p to 900p or from 900p to 1080p requires roughly 50% more ALU and also more bandwidth and TEX how people misunderstood to really don't know, of course the xb1 has 1080p games they just mainly are downloadable indie titles for now.

We know what you said, but by adding "but it will help" your implying the Xbox One still couldn't do 1080p games even with the 28 percent boost.

That is why I said they already have 1080p games. Forza 5, NBA 2K14, Need For Speed, Tomb Raider and others are 1080p on Xbox One.

So like I was saying earlier this boost will allow Microsoft to have more 1080p games.
 
If a game runs at 720p on X1 and 1080p on PS4, it doesn't necessarily mean that the X1 is reaching its absolute limit, it's more likely that it could absolutely render at 1080p but doesn't meet the required say 30 fps , maybe it only averages 20-25 fps so the devs choose to go 720p. The X1 isn't going to need a % 50 power boost for that few extre fps needed for the dev to decide to go 1080p.
Take Tomb Raider for instance, both 1080p with X1 being locked at 30 fps, maintaining that 99% of the time and obviously it could have reached more if unlocked but would have made for obvious frame rate drops so was locked and the PS4 version being unlocked with the PS4 version sometimes hitting 60fps but mainly in 40-50 fps range, I don't see the massive power discrepancy some people are making out.
The reason 1080p was so hard for devs was because of the Esram, a lot of devs said they had trouble with it. But with the new tools MS put out its going to be much easier according to the sniper elite dev.
 
Ubi has unveiled the next Assassin's Creed, called AC Unity. It takes place in during the French Revolution:



I saw the video earlier today and it looked too good. But then i downloaded it on Gamersyde, which is always top quality, and you can notice aliasing in the footage, if that video was prettied up or.....fake...i am sure they would have perfected the anti aliasing. So maybe it IS how the game will look on Xbox One and PS4 then, that would be absolutely fantastic, cause it looks lovely. But this IS Ubi.....we'll have to wait and see.
 
The reason 1080p was so hard for devs was because of the Esram, a lot of devs said they had trouble with it. But with the new tools MS put out its going to be much easier according to the sniper elite dev.

I sure hope it's sooner rather than later. I just watched some videos of MGS Ground Zeroes on Xbox One and PS4 and goddamn...where it's all smooth with the framerate and looks very crisp, it's all a bit stuttery and blurry on Xbox One. Did Kojima's team even bother? Sure hope the real MGS 5 will be better in these regards.
 
What I was saying even though if was in plain English and very easy to understand (so I'm slightly surprised that people here failed to grasp what it meant) was to up the reso from 720p to 900p or from 900p to 1080p requires roughly 50% more ALU and also more bandwidth and TEX how people misunderstood to really don't know, of course the xb1 has 1080p games they just mainly are downloadable indie titles for now.
You had it right the first time but you fail right there. It might need 50% more power on same exact toolset but doing it different way or on different toolset it might not need any extra power.

None of us know how power translates into resolution as x360 had 1080p games with 240Gflops and xbox is currently doing games with 1200Gflops right now and soon 1300Gflops and different tools.

Again we don't know how much tools affect resolution or anything else.

What you just said that since Bugati gets a laptime of 1:30 with 1000 hp that in order for 740hp F1 to get the same lap time it would need 50% more power and completely disregarding fine suspension and weight.
 
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I sure hope it's sooner rather than later. I just watched some videos of MGS Ground Zeroes on Xbox One and PS4 and goddamn...where it's all smooth with the framerate and looks very crisp, it's all a bit stuttery and blurry on Xbox One. Did Kojima's team even bother? Sure hope the real MGS 5 will be better in these regards.
I have it on Xbox one, my copy isn't stuttery and blurry. It is no Ryse or Infamous but I think it looks nice.
 
I got bored with AC Black Flag. But the true next gen AC looks fookin great. Visually.
Really? I was skeptical, but AC4 is the first one NOT to bore me since AC2. Maybe it's the drastic change of locale and the pirate theme, but I've already sunk at least 30 hrs into it and still have a ways to go.

Unfortunately a large, we'll armed Titan is currently standing in my way.
 
Really? I was skeptical, but AC4 is the first one NOT to bore me since AC2. Maybe it's the drastic change of locale and the pirate theme, but I've already sunk at least 30 hrs into it and still have a ways to go.

Unfortunately a large, we'll armed Titan is currently standing in my way.

Agreed. Everything from AC2, IMO, has been trash until black flag and black flag is, IMO, the best AC to date.
 
I sure hope it's sooner rather than later. I just watched some videos of MGS Ground Zeroes on Xbox One and PS4 and goddamn...where it's all smooth with the framerate and looks very crisp, it's all a bit stuttery and blurry on Xbox One. Did Kojima's team even bother? Sure hope the real MGS 5 will be better in these regards.
That game's a joke, if he thinks he can sell it in instalments at $30 a pop.
 
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