Will TLOU move PS4 systems?

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Personally, I don't think any remake should be full price. That goes for TLoU, Tomb Raider or the rumoured Halo 2. They can charge whatever price they want, but to me they are no different than Greatest Hits Editions. Slightly better and/or with slightly better content (usually packed in DLC), but at the end of the day the same game.

But hey, some old companies have been rehashing 8-bit arcade games for 30 years on every imaginable system so whatever the market commands so be it.
 
JinCA said:
Cracks me up when I read complaints online (shocking I know) about the game being full price. It's improved graphically and includes the DLC that was $15.00, why is that wrong? Tomb Raider was worth full price and this is too IMO.
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Tomb Raider was called the Fraud Edition. Even by some on this site.

I had never played it. So it was definitely worth the price.
 
Dno69 said:
Tomb Raider was called the Fraud Edition. Even by some on this site.

I had never played it. So it was definitely worth the price.
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Me neither, never played it and was glad I did get in on the Definitive Edition.
 
Dno69 said:
Tomb Raider was called the Fraud Edition. Even by some on this site.

I had never played it. So it was definitely worth the price.
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It's the Fraud Edition for those who've played it on the PC and later purchased it on the PS4.
 
menace-uk- said:
Honestly, it shouldn't be full price. A port is significantly less costly than building a game from the ground up. IMO, these games should be half the price of normal(so $30), plus the cost of DLC at discounted price( so $10) giving a price of around $40-$45(£30) that IMO would be fair all round.
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It's not just a port though, they are upgrading the lighting and shadows, better looking character models, better textures, higher frame rate and resolution so there is more work going into it than just getting it running on another platform.
 
Dno69 said:
Tomb Raider was called the Fraud Edition. Even by some on this site.

I had never played it. So it was definitely worth the price.
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Yeah they did and I couldn't disagree with them more, why should I get a fairly recent game that's been upgraded for a lower price than someone who bought a lesser version. If all they did was port the game without any upgrades I could see the argument they made but otherwise I think it's a bit misguided.
 
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JinCA said:
It's not just a port though, they are upgrading the lighting and shadows, better looking character models, better textures, higher frame rate and resolution so there is more work going into it than just getting it running on another platform.
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It is a port. It is simply a port to a better platform. It barely touches the time and resources needed for building a game from the ground up, and as such, it shouldn't command the same price.
 
I'm gladly going to pay $60 for TLOU, if I had bought the game last gen I would probably wait for a price drop.
Tomb Raider for the PS4 was the best $60 I spent so far this gen.
 
menace-uk- said:
It is a port. It is simply a port to a better platform. It barely touches the time and resources needed for building a game from the ground up, and as such, it shouldn't command the same price.
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Putting it on the PS4 won't automatically give it better lighting, textures, higher res character models, up the frame rate or anything like that, they actually have to do some work to get that to happen. Yes it's cheaper than making the game from scratch but it's a complete game with content not available when the original came out so I have to disagree when you say it's not worth $60. Would it be nice if it was cheaper? sure, but I don't think that should be expected.
 
They have to code it to run on the PS4, it isn't as easy as throwing it on there. They are also going to have to upgade and code specifically for the ps4. Isn't as hard as making a whole new game, of course but also not as easy as your saying.

I'm sure they are using the higher assets they have already created but also changing a lot of them to look even better or perform better. Atleast, that is what it seems they are doing. We will have to wait till we actually see it to be sure.
 
I think if sales take a small dive and stock is piling up a bit, they should just throw this game in with the purchase of a ps4. it would do well, and build people up for the sequel that is sure to come.
 
I almost forgot in addition to the single player DLC being included in the box the MP dlc that wasn't free is also being included, that basically is getting the complete experience at a reduced price. It cost $20 for the season pass and more if you bought them separately so basically anyone buying the game on PS4 will getting an improved version of what cost at least $80 on the PS3.
 
JinCA said:
Putting it on the PS4 won't automatically give it better lighting, textures, higher res character models, up the frame rate or anything like that, they actually have to do some work to get that to happen. Yes it's cheaper than making the game from scratch but it's a complete game with content not available when the original came out so I have to disagree when you say it's not worth $60. Would it be nice if it was cheaper? sure, but I don't think that should be expected.
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Actually, I never said it wasn't worth $60. I also didn't say it required no work.

Games are priced as they're because of the substantial resources needed to build them. When you're porting a game with 90% already done, the resources needed are far lower. Thus, IMO, the price of a port long after its original release should not command the same price. Also, you will find that most engines of today are nothing but scales to help balance performance and quality. Upping things like shadows and textures will likely be a simple, quick thing. Lighting, well, it depends what they are going to do. Frame-rate will be simply unlocking it and seeing those numbers sore, then re-balancing the performance and quality as they go.

I feel the price I gave for the game is a fair one for both developer and consumer. Developer gets 80% of the original cost while gamers see a significant saving when double dipping.
 
I don't know about this argument that because it's a "port" and requires less work, it should cost less. Ports in the past (e.g., ports of PC games to console or ports of a formerly exclusive game to another console) have typically retailed at full price, not reduced price. I don't think "amount of work involved" is really the determining factor. I think it's perceived value and what the market will bear.

The game is really quite a good value, imo. $30 worth of DLC thrown in for free, plus a bunch of substantial visual improvements. It's a game that is not even a year old and still retails for $60 on PS3, too, so you can't say it's in the same category as remasters of some old, classic game. Seems more than fair to me.

I can see why double dippers might not feel that way, though. They might feel like they're spending $120 for one game.
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
I think if sales take a small dive and stock is piling up a bit, they should just throw this game in with the purchase of a ps4. it would do well, and build people up for the sequel that is sure to come.
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that will be done regardless
 
no, unless there are millions that haven't played it that are waiting for it before purchasing a ps4...
 
Absolutely will. lol at the people saying no.
Watch the PS4 sales spike the month TLoU:R is released.
Over 200 GotY awards.
 
MR SCHULTZ said:
Absolutely will. lol at the people saying no.
Watch the PS4 sales spike the month TLoU:R is released.
Over 200 GotY awards.
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The game will sell well no doubt for a definitive edition maybe break records for a rerelease but I can't see it moving the system like tlou#2 most definitely would.
 
menace-uk- said:
It is a port. It is simply a port to a better platform. It barely touches the time and resources needed for building a game from the ground up, and as such, it shouldn't command the same price.
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Why not?

Ghost on PS4/XB1 are ports of last gen systems, they command same price. Actually, same goes for most games.
 
jimmyD said:
The game will sell well no doubt for a definitive edition maybe break records for a rerelease but I can't see it moving the system like tlou#2 most definitely would.
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No, of course not. But it will move SOME systems. That's all OP asked.
When TLoU:R releases, all new PS4 buyers who either didn't have a PS3 or haven't gamed in years - MANY will likely pick this game up with their new system.
 
Qbert said:
Why not?

Ghost on PS4/XB1 are ports of last gen systems, they command same price. Actually, same goes for most games.
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really, that is what you want to go with ? even though you know full well it isn't same thing.

Ghosts - a game that released almost simultaneously across multiple platforms- is not the same as a game that came out almost a year a go, and will be well past that before the game hits.
 
menace-uk- said:
really, that is what you want to go with ? even though you know full well it isn't same thing.

Ghosts - a game that released almost simultaneously across multiple platforms- is not the same as a game that came out almost a year a go, and will be well past that before the game hits.
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TR on next gen was almost a year after last gen's release, and still came out at full price.


I get what you're saying though, but it's still going to be an improved game. Lowered price would make sense if it was exactly the same (visually and performance wise).
 
MR SCHULTZ said:
No, of course not. But it will move SOME systems. That's all OP asked.
When TLoU:R releases, all new PS4 buyers who either didn't have a PS3 or haven't gamed in years - MANY will likely pick this game up with their new system.
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I thought about it some more if it is true that only like 20% of gamers actually finish a game (probably way higher for AAA games) then those on the fence might have a great opportunity to jump into next gen and pick it up to finish it.
 
jimmyD said:
I thought about it some more if it is true that only like 20% of gamers actually finish a game (probably way higher for AAA games) then those on the fence might have a great opportunity to jump into next gen and pick it up to finish it.
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My completion rate on average for all my games on PS is about 38%, so I'm above average?
 
DriedMangoes said:
My completion rate on average for all my games on PS is about 38%, so I'm above average?
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Yeah I guess but we prefer you round to 3 significant digits for future posts on this subject.

Thank-you
 
jimmyD said:
Much better, not to rub it in though I'm @ 99.971% for the single player campaigns. I know I'm a geek...
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Back on topic, wait what was the topic again?
 
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