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RIP XSS




A comprehensive tech review of all every console to receive a Wo Long release. The PS5 and Xbox Series X versions get the premium treatment here: running at up to 1440p at 60 frames per second with boosted visuals. The same however cannot be said of the Series S, which targets 60fps but with glaring cutbacks to its visuals - often putting its textures and effects in line with a last-gen experience.

Released on 7 consoles.
A total of 11 modes.
PS5 and Series X offer Performance (60 FPS) and Resolution Mode (60 FPS).
Performance mode locks to 60 FPS better than Resolution Mode.
Visual settings are the same across both modes, but the resolutions are different.
Performance Mode: 2240x1260 on both PS5 and Series X. DRS might be there, but rarely noticeable or kicks in below 1260p.
Resolution Mode: Native 1440p on both consoles.
PS5 and Series X have no visual differences.

Series S is different.
Resolution Mode runs at 900p at 30 FPS with uneven frame pacing.
Performance Mode runs at 900p at 60 FPS with a relatively more aggressive DRS.
Textures, shadows, cloth physics, textures, fire effects, draw distances, particle effects are all downgraded on the Series S -- which is similar to the last-gen experience.

PS5 Resolution Mode - 1440p at 60 FPS. Generally hits 60, but battles can push it down to 50 FPS, and sometimes even slightly below that. Cutscenes locked at 30.
Series X Resolution Mode -- 1440p at 60 FPS. Similar situation. There was one sequence (staring into fire), when Series X was at 54 FPS while PS5 was 53 FPS (lol), but that's the only difference DF could find in terms of performance.
XSX Performance Mode - Much better. Drops to 58-59. Battles drop to 55 FPS sometimes. Most extreme case dropped to 50 FPS.
PS5 Performance Mode - DF didn't share or show much details, but said it's similar to Series X.
Series S Resolution Mode - Pretty stable at 30 FPS with minor drops. 60 FPS is preferrable because it's relatively stable.

Summary: Not a polished game. Visual bugs, drops, and last-gen type game running at 60 FPS.

Series X wins.

That frame is DEFINITELY going to be noticeable.


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People need to stop acting surprised the S version isn't equal to the X/5 versions.

People who buy this on the S will no doubt be happy with it. We all know its the Xbox One/PS4 versions hurting games.
 
menace-uk- is very critical of something if he isn't happy with it. I never see him complain about his experience yet.
 
Watching that video it's just not a great looking game and the devs have work to do.
 
RIP XSS




A comprehensive tech review of all every console to receive a Wo Long release. The PS5 and Xbox Series X versions get the premium treatment here: running at up to 1440p at 60 frames per second with boosted visuals. The same however cannot be said of the Series S, which targets 60fps but with glaring cutbacks to its visuals - often putting its textures and effects in line with a last-gen experience.

Released on 7 consoles.
A total of 11 modes.
PS5 and Series X offer Performance (60 FPS) and Resolution Mode (60 FPS).
Performance mode locks to 60 FPS better than Resolution Mode.
Visual settings are the same across both modes, but the resolutions are different.
Performance Mode: 2240x1260 on both PS5 and Series X. DRS might be there, but rarely noticeable or kicks in below 1260p.
Resolution Mode: Native 1440p on both consoles.
PS5 and Series X have no visual differences.

Series S is different.
Resolution Mode runs at 900p at 30 FPS with uneven frame pacing.
Performance Mode runs at 900p at 60 FPS with a relatively more aggressive DRS.
Textures, shadows, cloth physics, textures, fire effects, draw distances, particle effects are all downgraded on the Series S -- which is similar to the last-gen experience.

PS5 Resolution Mode - 1440p at 60 FPS. Generally hits 60, but battles can push it down to 50 FPS, and sometimes even slightly below that. Cutscenes locked at 30.
Series X Resolution Mode -- 1440p at 60 FPS. Similar situation. There was one sequence (staring into fire), when Series X was at 54 FPS while PS5 was 53 FPS (lol), but that's the only difference DF could find in terms of performance.
XSX Performance Mode - Much better. Drops to 58-59. Battles drop to 55 FPS sometimes. Most extreme case dropped to 50 FPS.
PS5 Performance Mode - DF didn't share or show much details, but said it's similar to Series X.
Series S Resolution Mode - Pretty stable at 30 FPS with minor drops. 60 FPS is preferrable because it's relatively stable.

Summary: Not a polished game. Visual bugs, drops, and last-gen type game running at 60 FPS.

Why is it RIP XSS?

I really donm't get this sillyness. You have what is essentially a 1080P console droping 180P and is RIP that console. Yet, the far more expensive machines that are supposed to be 4K run 50% lower res with poor performance and they are somehow not RIP. WTF!!
 
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Why is it RIP XSS?

I really donm't get this sillyness. You have what is essentially a 1080P console droping 180P and is RIP that console. Yet, the far more expensive machines that are supposed to be 4K run 50% lower res with poor performance and they are somehow not RIP. WTF!!

More because it feels like a last gen experience as per DF rather than a focus on the resolution.

They are not 4k / 60 machines. Anyone who believes that is falling right into their marketing.
 
More because it feels like a last gen experience as per DF rather than a focus on the resolution.

They are not 4k / 60 machines. Anyone who believes that is falling right into their marketing.
Per DF. Ok, well Menace has one. He says nothing about last gen feelings. Oddly enough you don’t have an S. Or an X. It’s easier to speak from personal experience.
 
More because it feels like a last gen experience as per DF rather than a focus on the resolution.

They are not 4k / 60 machines. Anyone who believes that is falling right into their marketing.
They all look like last gen experiences. Give me a break. This dumb s*** has to stop.
 
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Per DF. Ok, well Menace has one. He says nothing about last gen feelings. Oddly enough you don’t have an S. Or an X. It’s easier to speak from personal experience.

They all look like last gen experiences. Give me a break. This dumb s*** has to stop.

That's fine. You can still have fun with the XSS without it being a powerhouse if you don't care about the IQ as much. Still doesn't change the fact it's much weaker than its two bigger brothers and the fact the whole generation will have to develop around it means you will continue to hear devs say the same things about compromises made.

I don't get why feelings have to be hurt about it. It is what it is.
 
Got the 2nd and 3rd boss down. When’s the next really hard mfer?

Lu Bu apparently, but I'm struggling on a particular area with some tough enemies and no rest nearby, gonna get into it this weekend
 
That's fine. You can still have fun with the XSS without it being a powerhouse if you don't care about the IQ as much. Still doesn't change the fact it's much weaker than its two bigger brothers and the fact the whole generation will have to develop around it means you will continue to hear devs say the same things about compromises made.

I don't get why feelings have to be hurt about it. It is what it is.
I don't get why people have top be stupid about it.

All you did here was move the goal post to generalities when the convo was specific to one game with dumb-ass takes. Wo Long is a last gen game, it is a last gen experience on all platforms. So why all the stupidity aimed at just the XSS? Makes zero sense.

It is weaker than the other 2. So why all BS when it has a lower res, with similar performance and usually slightly lower settings? Why do people expect a game that runs at 1300P @ 60 FPS on PS5/XSX to not to be lower res with lowered settings and similar performance on XSS? It is f***ing nuts.
 
I don't get why people have top be stupid about it.

All you did here was move the goal post to generalities when the convo was specific to one game with dumb-ass takes. Wo Long is a last gen game, it is a last gen experience on all platforms. So why all the stupidity aimed at just the XSS? Makes zero sense.

It is weaker than the other 2. So why all BS when it has a lower res, with similar performance and usually slightly lower settings? Why do people expect a game that runs at 1300P @ 60 FPS on PS5/XSX to not to be lower res with lowered settings and similar performance on XSS? It is f***ing nuts.

It is one of the most downgrades for XSS seen recently compared to the other two. It's worthy to note that. How is that a "dumbass take" ?

"On the surface, Series S hasn't turned out too badly then - but there is a penalty in terms of its core visual settings. Textures, shadows, and even physics are all downgraded on Series S. And putting its 60fps support aside, this surprisingly places its visuals more in line with a last-gen experience.

Let's run through the downgrades in order. The texture mapping on Series S is obviously compromised, with lower-quality assets for mountain walls, rocks, mossy terrain and more. Shadow detailing is removed from the scenery too, while transparency effects also take a nosedive in resolution. Likewise, the sprite work used for plants is not only lowered in quality but also in density on Series S. Draw distances for grass are further afield from the player, too, though geometry and shadows draw in at similar ranges. Perhaps most surprisingly, though, is that cloth physics are significantly dialled back. The flag checkpoints, for example, dynamically billow with the wind on Series X, and PS5 - but on Series S you get only a basic scripted motion. Even the motion blur is downgraded with more dithering in movement here. Ultimately this makes Wo Long one of the most visually distinct Series S releases - and not in a good way - but the last-gen machines require even more substantial cutbacks."
 
The more I play of this game the more I think the difficulty of the first boss is maybe not intentional. I mean… if you literally just counter his critical attacks and follow up with a spirit strike, you do that three times and he’s toast in his second phase. First phase is a joke if you can parry *at all*.

I’m not good at games, either. I quit Sekiro after slamming my head against the first main boss (guy on horse). I’m thinking the struggles with Wo Long’s first boss is maybe a lack of conveying how this game is supposed to be played. I beat him once I adjusted this playstyle, and it carried me to defeating the next two bosses pretty easily also.

I’m obviously still very early so if this changes later in the game please correct me. But at least early on it seems this seems the way to go. The boar boss I noticed my parries hardly even did anything to him unless it was on a critical attack.
 
It is one of the most downgrades for XSS seen recently compared to the other two. It's worthy to note that. How is that a "dumbass take" ?
Look at the game. look how it runs on PS5 and XSX, two platforms that in large parts doesn't even have shadow cube mapping.

Dumbass take confirmed.

XSS is a last gen experience? but PS5 and XSX isn't a current gen experience, lol.

Dumbass take confirmed

I know, lets forget about logic & common-sense, and and say dumb s*** like RIP XSS!!

Using your logic: RIP PS5!! because of 720p Forspoken.
 
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I've multiple boss taken down on the first or second attempt now. Once I got the village hub unlocked I seem to settle into the style the game wants you to play. Absolutely loving it now. Co-op is pretty slick as well. There is a selection of NPC characters you can bring with you (max 2 at a time) and each have there own strengths and weaknesses which is a nice touch.
 
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I've multiple boss taken down on the first or second attempt now. Once I got the village hub unlocked I seem to settle into the style the game wants you to play. Absolutely loving it now. Co-op is pretty slick as well. There is a selection of NPC characters you can bring with you (max 2 at a time) and each have there own strengths and weaknesses which is a nice touch.

If you’re struggling on a boss, can you just call a rando in and win that way? If so that’s pretty cool. Havent had to do that yet but I’m guessing I will
 
If you’re struggling on a boss, can you just call a rando in and win that way? If so that’s pretty cool. Havent had to do that yet but I’m guessing I will
Yeah, you can summon random players to help but as per the norm with these games it scales up the difficulty of the encounter. I used NPC characters for all my boss fights once I had them available. They don't do much damage and die quite fast but they do distract the boss giving you time to recover from a hit.

I have responded to requests for help (to can request or respond to online help) and brought a few players through some boss fights. Its good way to level up and get gear.

Another thing I've noticed is that if you replay any of the Sub Missions (side quests basically) all the chests and pick-ups are available again and the chests seem to have a loot table as I've gotten different items from them when I've done replays.
 
Look at the game. look how it runs on PS5 and XSX, two platforms that in large parts doesn't even have shadow cube mapping.

Dumbass take confirmed.

XSS is a last gen experience? but PS5 and XSX isn't a current gen experience, lol.

Dumbass take confirmed

I know, lets forget about logic & common-sense, and and say dumb s*** like RIP XSS!!

Using your logic: RIP PS5!! because of 720p Forspoken.

Upset much?

The RIP XSS is a joke comment very much alike what you and others have posted in the past, thought you would already know that but okay, PSA it's confirmed to be for jokes intentionally if you did not already know 😉

The last gen experience is a direct quote from DF. Bring it up with them if you think that's a dumbass take. With that mindset , I take it you believe all cross gen games are last gen experiences.
 
Upset much?

The RIP XSS is a joke comment very much alike what you and others have posted in the past, thought you would already know that but okay, PSA it's confirmed to be for jokes intentionally if you did not already know 😉

The last gen experience is a direct quote from DF. Bring it up with them if you think that's a dumbass take. With that mindset , I take it you believe all cross gen games are last gen experiences.
Here we go, the whole "Upset" crap, and it was a "joke" backtrack.

Simple fact is this. this game isn't a current gen game on any platform. You only have to open your eyes to see it.

Your last sentence makes no sense. What about this game is current gen? Isn't the res, isn't the performance, isn't the graphics. Again, anybody using common-sense wouldn't jump to that ridiculous conclusion. I mean, Metro Exodus has RT. Horizon 5 has RT and great graphics. These are not in the same situation as this game.

Since you can't use your own brain and rely on what you are told by DF, they said it isn't a current gen game on PS5/XSX.

It's funny. You claim I'm upset, bnut I'm not the one talking BS. You seem to be upset one, Why else would you spout such stupid BS? Food for thought, little one.
 
Here we go, the whole "Upset" crap, and it was a "joke" backtrack.

Simple fact is this. this game isn't a current gen game on any platform. You only have to open your eyes to see it.

Your last sentence makes no sense. What about this game is current gen? Isn't the res, isn't the performance, isn't the graphics. Again, anybody using common-sense wouldn't jump to that ridiculous conclusion. I mean, Metro Exodus has RT. Horizon 5 has RT and great graphics. These are not in the same situation as this game.

Since you can't use your own brain and rely on what you are told by DF, they said it isn't a current gen game on PS5/XSX.

It's funny. You claim I'm upset, bnut I'm not the one talking BS. You seem to be upset one, Why else would you spout such stupid BS? Food for thought, little one.

You are the one going off on an angry tangent off of two joke words I posted while the rest was all quoted from DF lol.

Elden Ring is the same , would you call that a last gen experience ? No because you can't play that at 60 fps with higher resolutions and higher visual settings compared to the last gen consoles. Same thing applies here.

Btw current gen means higher resolution, higher fps, better performance, dialled up visual and graphic settings, basically anything you can't get on the last gen consoles if you want to get technical which by all means the PS5/XSX hits in all categories for this game. It's all relative. DF meant XSS is like a last gen experience because it does not hit most of these thresholds and the visual IQ is similar more to last gen. No need to say that's a dumbass take because it is what it is, they are only reporting on it. Maybe you think Team Ninja are dumbasses for making this game and releasing it the way it is ? 🙄
 
You are the one going off on an angry tangent off of two joke words I posted while the rest was all quoted from DF lol.

Elden Ring is the same , would you call that a last gen experience ? No because you can't play that at 60 fps with higher resolutions and higher visual settings compared to the last gen consoles. Same thing applies here.

Btw current gen means higher resolution, higher fps, better performance, dialled up visual and graphic settings, basically anything you can't get on the last gen consoles if you want to get technical which by all means the PS5/XSX hits in all categories for this game. It's all relative. DF meant XSS is like a last gen experience because it does not hit most of these thresholds and the visual IQ is similar more to last gen. No need to say that's a dumbass take because it is what it is, they are only reporting on it. Maybe you think Team Ninja are dumbasses for making this game and releasing it the way it is ? 🙄
I think you're a dumbass digging a deeper hole for yourself.

1300p , so next gen.
Unstable 60fps, so next gen.
Visual IQ more akin to 360 era, so next gen.

Yep, sure. LMAO!!!

You can't have one be a last gen experience when the game on all platforms is a last gen experience. This is pretty simple stuff.
 
I think you're a dumbass digging a deeper hole for yourself.

1300p , so next gen.
Unstable 60fps, so next gen.
Visual IQ more akin to 360 era, so next gen.

Yep, sure. LMAO!!!

You can't have one be a last gen experience when the game on all platforms is a last gen experience. This is pretty simple stuff.

I think you are confusing literal meaning of last gen vs the last gen DF is referring to. They said XSS is more akin to last gen experience because of the similarities it shares with the PS4/X1 older consoles than the newer consoles. That is it. It's not that deep.
 
I think you are confusing literal meaning of last gen vs the last gen DF is referring to. They said XSS is more akin to last gen experience because of the similarities it shares with the PS4/X1 older consoles than the newer consoles. That is it. It's not that deep.
What is so hard about "They are all akin to last gen because they are all last gen experiences" to understand. It isn't that deep.
 
What is so hard about "They are all akin to last gen because they are all last gen experiences" to understand. It isn't that deep.

What DF is referring to then in your terms is that XSS feels like a last last gen experience if the PS5/XSX are last gen experiences. Does that make more sense to you?