Xbox One Hotchips revisited and XBox One Speculative discussion

I would say the part where he says that the "stereo driver" bumps it from around 3 TFlops to 4 TFlops is a good start. Here's a hint: software doesn't magically make hardware capable of more operations per second. That's a limitation of the silicon. Software improvements can make software run better, but it can't change the underlying capabilities of the hardware. Now, about that nanobot swarm from the cloud...
How does that differ from MS increasing the clock of the GPU and CPU through software optimization?
 
How does that differ from MS increasing the clock of the GPU and CPU through software optimization?
You're talking about turning on hardware features through lower-level BIOS stuff, versus a driver improvement, which is essentially more efficient code that doesn't touch the hardware. Overclocking versus better drivers. In other words, if the hardware CAN run at a certain level, but it's under clocked, you could tell it to run at a higher level. But you can't improve software that magically makes the hardware exceed its capabilities.

To do a magical increase would involve a clock speed increase, which I believe those chips are capable of. But that would essentially kill any of the noise and heat thresholds they've set, as well as cause all sorts of timing issues in software. So you can get in increase by telling the hardware to upclock, but on a closed system like a console, you have no guarantee anything would work the way it should (including all the games). All your QA and testing is thrown out the window.

In this case, he's talking about a driver update. Unless that driver update is up clocking, it can't improve hardware capabilities. I believe he's talking about it turning on previously disabled parts of the hardware, which is insane, and even more so if the reason behind the disabling is the NDA. Yes, I'm sure Microsoft entered into the relationship with AMD and then Valve, with their superior position with AMD as opposed to Microsoft, forced AMD to shut MS's hardware off. Microsoft: "Let's ship this really awesome hardware, but cripple it. Why? Because AMD said we had to, after we paid them $3 billion dollars, because a smaller company told them they had to. We're really good businessmen to have entered into an NDA that prevents us from touting one of the strengths of our system in a highly competitive environment, costing us sales and marketshare!"
 
I appreciate the restraint, old guy. I know you want to unload on this guy, but you actually know what you're talking about so I'm thankful for the explanation, honestly.
 
The point is, puresoul is a man who believes there is a 5000 year old flying machine in a cave in a 'time well' in Afghanistan, and 8 US soldiers have disappeared trying to recover it.
Prove it's not true then. If it doesn't really matter to you to do so, then why should it matter if he hunts for that truth?
 
I would say the part where he says that the "stereo driver" bumps it from around 3 TFlops to 4 TFlops is a good start. Here's a hint: software doesn't magically make hardware capable of more operations per second. That's a limitation of the silicon. Software improvements can make software run better, but it can't change the underlying capabilities of the hardware. Now, about that nanobot swarm from the cloud...
Well don't tell AMD and Dice about that or they might cry about their Mantle driver.
 
The most obvious answer is that Insider is MisterX from the future.
Hence the time machine in Afghanistan.

Insider can be someone different as you notice that MisterX has a hard enough time talking about his own direct things in English. Now he is putting into words stuff that was communicated to him. It's called telephone and the message reflects the one relaying the info.

Or it is his future self or an alternate psyche.
 
I appreciate the restraint, old guy. I know you want to unload on this guy, but you actually know what you're talking about so I'm thankful for the explanation, honestly.
After being reprimanded, I actually don't feel like puresoul is that bad; he just wants something so bad he's willing to believe in it no matter what evidence is presented to him. It's really the mrxnutjob that gets me angry, because he's stirred up people like puresoul, feeding into their beliefs with nothing but garbage. Well, maybe not angry, but righteous or something. Seriously, you read that web page of his and you start to lose your mind. If it were written on paper, I'd guess that it would all be very tight handwriting on both sides of every page, like Kevin Spacey's character's journal in Seven.
 
After being reprimanded, I actually don't feel like puresoul is that bad; he just wants something so bad he's willing to believe in it no matter what evidence is presented to him. It's really the mrxnutjob that gets me angry, because he's stirred up people like puresoul, feeding into their beliefs with nothing but garbage. Well, maybe not angry, but righteous or something. Seriously, you read that web page of his and you start to lose your mind. If it were written on paper, I'd guess that it would all be very tight handwriting on both sides of every page, like Kevin Spacey's character's journal in Seven.

Reading what you want is your choice. You, nor anyone participating on that site are forced to experience or partake in it.
 
Here is the quote about tf from insider:
R9 280x heavily modified + same dxcore = app gpu. Cloud rendering at later date. = 3.2tf
Factor in diminishing returns with stereo drive close to 4tf and also audio dsp + hana 2 and esram extra. X1 can get graphics close to the performance of the R9 290x.
To be honest, given the language barrier, it doesn't sound like the insider is claiming an ACTUAL tf increase from 3.2tf, but an approximation through other means (like software), which brings the results closer to r9 290x (4tf).

That is what I read out of that. I've gotta say that this nda thing is far-fetched, but then again... why is MS refusing to show their actual GPU after all this time, either?

Also, it is interesting that insider seemingly understood AMD hardware before their show. That could just make him a troll of epic proportions, though. I can't wait til we just get to hear the truth so we can be done with all of this.
 
You're talking about turning on hardware features through lower-level BIOS stuff, versus a driver improvement, which is essentially more efficient code that doesn't touch the hardware. Overclocking versus better drivers. In other words, if the hardware CAN run at a certain level, but it's under clocked, you could tell it to run at a higher level. But you can't improve software that magically makes the hardware exceed its capabilities.

To do a magical increase would involve a clock speed increase, which I believe those chips are capable of. But that would essentially kill any of the noise and heat thresholds they've set, as well as cause all sorts of timing issues in software. So you can get in increase by telling the hardware to upclock, but on a closed system like a console, you have no guarantee anything would work the way it should (including all the games). All your QA and testing is thrown out the window.

In this case, he's talking about a driver update. Unless that driver update is up clocking, it can't improve hardware capabilities. I believe he's talking about it turning on previously disabled parts of the hardware, which is insane, and even more so if the reason behind the disabling is the NDA. Yes, I'm sure Microsoft entered into the relationship with AMD and then Valve, with their superior position with AMD as opposed to Microsoft, forced AMD to shut MS's hardware off. Microsoft: "Let's ship this really awesome hardware, but cripple it. Why? Because AMD said we had to, after we paid them $3 billion dollars, because a smaller company told them they had to. We're really good businessmen to have entered into an NDA that prevents us from touting one of the strengths of our system in a highly competitive environment, costing us sales and marketshare!"

Then you have things like tiled resources that will come to the win8 and x1 platform. Allowing cards with low memory, in the demonstration 16mb, fill a 1GB texture file on a laptop. Making the assumption that the hardware just can't do it, go out the window. While there is still limits, we do know fun things can happen.

The 3billion dollar investment can still have NDA requirements. After all they just invested as much as AMD is worth. I see a relationship just like Nokia, who knows, AMD just might become part of MS down the road.
 
In the comments of this blog article where misterxmedia(a Russian) claims Russians built the great wall of China.

http://misterxmedia.livejournal.com/136561.html

They talk about "Vimana"



The move onto Ancient Jews and Aliens eventually too.



Maybe it is a modern day "War of the Worlds" type event with other media thrown in to corroborate the story across multiple media and make it more "believable"?
 
Maybe it is a modern day "War of the Worlds" type event with other media thrown in to corroborate the story across multiple media and make it more "believable"?

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History. Not aware of the original impact War of the Worlds had?

War of the Worlds was originally released as a radio broadcast that created hysteria because the people tuning in after introductions thought it was actually happening in real life. This could all be a modern version of that but staged to seem real from the onset.
 
History. Not aware of the original impact War of the Worlds had?

War of the Worlds was originally released as a radio broadcast that created hysteria because the people tuning in after introductions thought it was actually happening in real life. This could all be a modern version of that but staged to seem real from the onset.

srs?
 
yep

from wiki

Public reaction[edit source]


The New York Times headline from October 31, 1938
Some listeners heard only a portion of the broadcast and, in the atmosphere of tension and anxiety prior to World War II, took it to be an actual news broadcast.[1] Newspapers reported that panic ensued, with people across the Northeastern United States and Canada fleeing their homes. Some people called CBS, newspapers or the police in confusion over the realism of the news bulletins.[7][8]

Future Tonight Show host Jack Paar had announcing duties that night for Cleveland CBS affiliate WGAR. As panicked listeners called the studio, Paar attempted to calm them on the phone and on air by saying, "The world is not coming to an end. Trust me. When have I ever lied to you?" When the listeners started charging Paar with "covering up the truth", he called WGAR's station manager for help. Oblivious to the situation, the manager advised Paar to calm down, saying it was "all a tempest in a teapot."[9]

In Concrete, Washington, phone lines and electricity went out due to a short-circuit at the Superior Portland Cement Company's substation. Residents were unable to call neighbors, family or friends to calm their fears. Reporters who heard of the coincidental blackout sent the story over the news-wire, and soon Concrete was known worldwide.[10]

Within one month, newspapers had published 12,500 articles about the broadcast and its impact. Adolf Hitler cited the panic, as Richard J. Hand writes, as "evidence of the decadence and corrupt condition of democracy."[11]
 
yep

from wiki

Amazing how people have access to vast amounts of information via the internet and accessible via almost anywhere, yet actually know so little about things. And we wonder why the forums we frequent are so out of control with FUD. It's actual real working knowledge of information and how to use it versus quick read from here and here and there and hey... "Now I'm an Expert". We are creating new generations of morons or "smart" idiots.

:txbrolleyes:

This is not singled out to any particular person in this thread, just a general observation.
 
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wait wut, I know what War of the Worlds is.
People believing the misterxmedia blogs are the hysterical ones.
 
Amazing how people have access to vast amounts of information via the internet and accessible via almost anywhere, yet actually know so little about things. And we wonder why the forums we frequent are so out of control with FUD. It's actual real working knowledge of information and how to use it versus quick read from here and here and there and hey... "Now I'm an Expert". We are creating new generations of morons or "smart" idiots.

:txbrolleyes:

This is not singled out to any particular person in this thread, just a general observation.


for sure.. the access to data and such and yet still be uninformed.

the real problem though with the internet and FUD is, ANONYMOUS SOURCES. :) I could contact any one of the hack sites out there and say I want to remain anonymous, but work on the redmond campus and here's what I know. It will get written up and some starry eyed internet moron who wants to be a tech wizard will run with it.
 
wait wut, I know what War of the Worlds is.
People believing the misterxmedia blogs are the hysterical ones.

I was referencing the radio broadcast and other supporting media of the time machine story. Not particularly saying it is make believe or what not, just brought up a scenario of it possibly being a modern WotW.

Regardless, again Mister___, PureSoul can do and say whatever they want, and it is neither crazy nor sane. It is what it is to them and can be shared as seen fit to. In other words, either discuss it more rationally than it has been, or ignore it. No need for some to go so critical with it.
 
for sure.. the access to data and such and yet still be uninformed.

the real problem though with the internet and FUD is, ANONYMOUS SOURCES. :) I could contact any one of the hack sites out there and say I want to remain anonymous, but work on the redmond campus and here's what I know. It will get written up and some starry eyed internet moron who wants to be a tech wizard will run with it.

That's the general issue with the Internet to begin with. Even if you provide info about yourself, it is still somewhat anonymous in some regard. People show lack of respect and compassion; things they would most likely never do in real life face to face. Social guidelines need to be observed and respected by everyone conversing with others regardless of the medium it is done through.

Cannot stand the people who are like "Internet is serious business" mockingly. They are the ones that would most likely cower from a real life situation, yet so smug when anonymous.