Xbox One Hotchips revisited and XBox One Speculative discussion

I think you and Zombie need to relax a bit in regards to his posts. It is okay for him to speculate about these things if he wants to do that. It's not hurting you or anyone else for him to do it.

It's okay for you to disagree with him and point out flaws in his speculation, but it is another thing to insult his intelligence and harass him to the point that you seem very inclined to do so. He's more or less harmless, especially since the majority of what he posts is basically a hot mess and most people wouldn't take the time to understand any of it anyways.
I would be fine with "Hey guys, I think this might be true, here's my explanation." That's an introduction to debate. Perhaps even a willingness on his part to say "you know what guys, you're right on this one point here. But what do you think about this other point over here?" That's called give and take.

Instead, we get "RANDOM FACT. ILLOGICAL ASSOCIATION. Guys, this is a fact. You'll see.." Random hints of something waiting beneath the surface that only he knows about, and that us unenlightened masses will soon have revealed to us. Following by an inability to respond when these mystical revelations do not come to pass. Basically, his attitude is "I know something you don't, here, you'll see, let me mock up some drawings in MS Paint. No, I'm not wrong, let's shift the debate." That's not speculation. That's not discussion. That's just ranting. My avatar shows how I feel about that sort of thing.
 
I would be fine with "Hey guys, I think this might be true, here's my explanation." That's an introduction to debate. Perhaps even a willingness on his part to say "you know what guys, you're right on this one point here. But what do you think about this other point over here?" That's called give and take.

Instead, we get "RANDOM FACT. ILLOGICAL ASSOCIATION. Guys, this is a fact. You'll see.." Random hints of something waiting beneath the surface that only he knows about, and that us unenlightened masses will soon have revealed to us. Following by an inability to respond when these mystical revelations do not come to pass. Basically, his attitude is "I know something you don't, here, you'll see, let me mock up some drawings in MS Paint. No, I'm not wrong, let's shift the debate." That's not speculation. That's not discussion. That's just ranting. My avatar shows how I feel about that sort of thing.

You need to relax a bit.
 
I suppose I do need to relax. I'm all for fun speculation. I just get tired of nonsensical speculation that's so beyond the pale that it's not even possible. It just derails any conversation about what might be possible. We're talking about whether or not the Xbox One includes a working ray gun at this point, for jiminy's sake.

Plus, my gout medication is having an adverse reaction with my goiter medication.
 
I would be fine with "Hey guys, I think this might be true, here's my explanation." That's an introduction to debate. Perhaps even a willingness on his part to say "you know what guys, you're right on this one point here. But what do you think about this other point over here?" That's called give and take.

Instead, we get "RANDOM FACT. ILLOGICAL ASSOCIATION. Guys, this is a fact. You'll see.." Random hints of something waiting beneath the surface that only he knows about, and that us unenlightened masses will soon have revealed to us. Following by an inability to respond when these mystical revelations do not come to pass. Basically, his attitude is "I know something you don't, here, you'll see, let me mock up some drawings in MS Paint. No, I'm not wrong, let's shift the debate." That's not speculation. That's not discussion. That's just ranting. My avatar shows how I feel about that sort of thing.

I think its the language barrier as Puresoul has indicated his first language is not English and you are taking what he is saying as fact. In fact look at this thread title that he started. It's speculation.

Edit: just saw your latest post, you agree that is is speculation and he isn't saying these things as fact.

I find it entertaining to be honest and it got to make you wonder if MS has something else under the hood we don't know about. Either way gaming should be good.
 
I would be fine with "Hey guys, I think this might be true, here's my explanation." That's an introduction to debate. Perhaps even a willingness on his part to say "you know what guys, you're right on this one point here. But what do you think about this other point over here?" That's called give and take.

Instead, we get "RANDOM FACT. ILLOGICAL ASSOCIATION. Guys, this is a fact. You'll see.." Random hints of something waiting beneath the surface that only he knows about, and that us unenlightened masses will soon have revealed to us. Following by an inability to respond when these mystical revelations do not come to pass. Basically, his attitude is "I know something you don't, here, you'll see, let me mock up some drawings in MS Paint. No, I'm not wrong, let's shift the debate." That's not speculation. That's not discussion. That's just ranting. My avatar shows how I feel about that sort of thing.

We get it. You don't like his posts or methods. However, your current method of reaction to said posts is wrong in the sense that most everything you're accusing him of doing, you're doing it yourself. Your attacks are not benefiting discussion; just state your point and let it do the talking. You liken him to someone who basically condescends to us but then turn around and do the same to him despite yourself.

And, finally, your previous post WAS ranting, the definition of it, in fact. We can appreciate that you are annoyed by his posts and speculative nature, but it still does not excuse personal attacks on his intellect, especially baring in mind that there is a supposed language barrier.
 
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to speculate that X1 shares SOMETHING with the new AMD chips is not far fetched. Seeing how MS did that with the 360. And to be honest, I find it strange that that no comparison is being made. MS and AMD did not spend all that time and money for a one-off console fab. To me, its not only plausible, but highly likely. I just dont know what the relation is.
 
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to speculate that X1 shares SOMETHING with the new AMD chips is not far fetched. Seeing how MS did that with the 360. And to be honest, I find it strange that that no comparison is being made. MS and AMD did not spend all that time and money for a one-off console fab. To me, its not only plausible, but highly likely. I just dont know what the relation is.

I agree. I am not going to say any of these rumors are fact, but there is something going on here. What did MS spend on AMD, I heard 3 BIL over a certain amount of time? If so, that would pay for a one off console fab dozens of times over. Especially just a modified one, not completely new.
 
The $3 billion is a muli-year contract. It includes manufacturing cost.
 
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And in 3 months he'll have another excuse.

"sigh, its really hard for them to release this information because of Sony <insert something stupid here> so developers and partners had to sign new NDAs and can't touch the real power inside the box yet. I know you guys waited months for this information, but after the NDA expires MS will allow developers to show off the final form of their games."
 
And in 3 months he'll have another excuse.

"sigh, its really hard for them to release this information because of Sony <insert something stupid here> so developers and partners had to sign new NDAs and can't touch the real power inside the box yet. I know you guys waited months for this information, but after the NDA expires MS will allow developers to show off the final form of their games."

Followed by "BTW, Xbox One Deux will be coming out next year"?!
 
Here is the transcript for anyone too lazy to click. Now seriously, without attacking anyone personally, if anyone can politely (and simply) refute this info, please do so here. I'm not a tech guy so explain please...the goalposting is ridiculous, but I'd still like to hear clear info:
MIsterx: Dat MS hate from every corner...I can't beleive..Stupid, stupid MS - they could not recover even with more powerfull box...

With 1.31 box they are dead allready.

Misterx: Some media were briefed...could not by Text-Enhance">translate that :) some media have been told some infos to write about?
Insider: Every body on the blog. Your just going to have to be a little more patient. I understand you have waited for the information to be officially verified by an offical response.

The delay is in fact based around valve and there steambox
and Amd. The nda are in place till after lunch window. Every body at Ms and even 3rd party developers have had to sign a 3 month contract agreement. by Text-Enhance">Microsoft have not agreed to licence there api or group hardware effort with valve. And is making sure valve can not use it for there official steambox. This is why valve reveal there os and even talked about steambox around the ms amd design conference. Unfortunately to say this three month window in my eyes is so ms can secure a form of steam os as an app download for xbox 1's app market place. Not sure if it will be streaming or hardware tho.

The final kits have only just stated arriving to developers with the updated specifications
And is the course of bugs in live demonstrations. But like Phil said we have redudence built in the hardware.

And I do apologise for jumping the gun to fast. But when you know and have right in front of you the hardware its a shame that this was not announced. But I think the greed move from amd/nvidia/ and steam the last few days proves a valid point of the industry. They want you hooked on the 500$ upgrade every 6/12 months. And having x1 with top tier gpu specs means that in five years time pc gpu markets will stagnate due to this fact. But these pc guys dont understand factors like fan noise by Text-Enhance">power cost and size. And simple of use.

Insider: And only 10% of the pc market can afford to have 3x sli or crossfire setups with 4k monitors. And even less for the average consumer can afford a 4k tv set. Most house holds are only moving to by Text-Enhance">1080p television now.

And the fact that pc piracy is so staggering high even steam is compromised on a daily basis in regards to by Text-Enhance">software piracy. Its a sad industry when the pc hardware markets try to crush the developers of console hardware. Its even worse when these same hardware designers cant figure out that phones and tablets are the real enemy's of the industry.

I have heard that there will be a bigger gpu article going up soon from eurogamer . But after the extension on our nda, id believe it to be even more confusing. :(

Insider: should not do this...

xbox one is the R9 280x

connect the dots

it is modified heavily.
And yes there is a dx core also but its for apps. It can also run the overlays in games up too 4k

this is what was going to happen. But Amd want to be in every thing. And valve want this tech in there official steambox. This is why media were briefed over the last 24hours. And phil had to cut 30min out of his developer speech at euro expo.

also there will be some bf4 stuff hitting the net.
it is pre alpha and they only have 16x16 play match. A lot of effects are not implemented in this build. But I guarantee it will look and run better then ps4.

And dig .. patient will be hitting the places soon. :)

Misterx: Wow, what a drama...

Misterx: How did you,know it is r9 280x? What about guest gpu Did we read it wrong and powerfull gpu already on maic soc and guest is something other? How many flops in total
for system? Also there is 1 report in comments from MS employee about MS were going to say it is
3tf next week and 1 that say there no more hardware besides breakdown.

What means "briefied the press"? Abanbomed or press got some info?
Insider: The R9 280x is the design.. the cu's are the beefed up ones on the R9 290x tho.
ask mistercteam what this means gpu has a powergate of 130w alone. The cpu 30w kinect 20w system board southbridge 20w.
250w there or around. but 40w is padding. Like nvidia boss said how can and xbox with 200w
powerdraw match 3 x sli or crossfire.

The reason for the information delay is steambox will have an a8 amd cpu with separate gpu from nvidia x730 up to 760 modified card.
Xbox would have look lower spec to steambox. 16gig of ddr3 also.

But in fact x1 in final retail is a lot more powerful then steam box. But not the way steam os scales. The os can run on any hardware configuration. Even x1.

Patent will hit the internet any day.

I do not have control over any direction any of these corporations go or what information they put out officially. Same goes for any insider. I ant bill gates or kaz or Gabriel. And I risk everything to help out. Your going to see x1 pull way in front of ps4 over the next few weeks. Thats is what all of you are here for. But x1 ant a 3000$ super computer with 1200w of power or liquid cooled. But a 3.4tf console ant weak by any means. But you can all do the maths on that number. Keep digging you will get your answer... I have told you enough now do your digging and you will see if I lied to you. :)
 
cont'd...and this is only half. I don't have time to post the rest, so check the link if interested.
Misterx: And what is guest then?
Insider: The dxcore = app gpu that is why it is labelled as apu / dgpu
Dxcore = app gpu. Which is actually accelerated processing unit. The gpu = R9 280x modified.

Misterx: So if Main GPU is here from the beginning why MS wrote it is only 1.31TF?
Insider: The 1.31 on hotchips was only there because ms did not want to talk about the gpu. Due to there nda with amd.

The truth is there is no upclock of cpu gpu. The had changed the whole gpu. And the cpu was all ways going to be 1.7ghz. Ms know sony leaked the vgleaks .. but in the end its back fired on sony.. did you notice that at tgs Sony never once brought up how much better there console is then xbox 1.. yeah because sony new about the update. So you wont be hearing officials talking that aspect any more :)
Insider: The initial plan was 7770 1.31tf + dxcore = apps gpu was all ways online with cloud rendering. 2tf
(misterx: later they changed to)
R9 280x heavily modified + same dxcore = app gpu. Cloud rendering at later date. = 3.2tf
Factor in diminishing returns with stereo drive close to 4tf and also audio dsp + hana 2 and esram extra. X1 can get graphics close to the performance of the R9 290x.

Misterx: What? They were really going to go with 7770 gpu? Are they nuts? All report were true than?
Insider: Ms went with 7770 originally because they wanted the console online 24/7 and they were going to use the cloud to enhance gfx. But after the back lash and 180 on used games they sacked Don as his vision was to future. The guest gpu = dxcore. Thats why I said can be used like for gfx but not like crossfire.

But Ms chargers will see the console stand up to any high end pc for years. Just not a 3x sli or crossfire machine.
The R9 280x is not something to laugh about. Its a dam fast gpu. the modifications to the cu's had to be done as the TDP is only 130w when scaled to the power gating of the console. That is why the cu's were replaced with the ones from the R9 290x. They are newer design anx will be the cu's Amd use when they move to 22nm R10 next year. :)
 
And in 3 months he'll have another excuse.

It's not going to take 3 months. You have Chipworks, and several others who all will be taking the X1 apart AS SOON AS THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON IT and will be putting the SoC under a super microscope.

He's not going to be able to run with this for much longer.
 
yeah, just not buying it for one reason. When was the last time MS was able to keep ANY type of secret? The fact that there have been 0 leaks of official docs is telling.
 
It's not going to take 3 months. You have Chipworks, and several others who all will be taking the X1 apart AS SOON AS THEY GET THEIR HANDS ON IT and will be putting the SoC under a super microscope.

He's not going to be able to run with this for much longer.

If they disassemble it too soon, it won't give time for the nanobots downloaded from the cloud to reprogram themselves into the second GPU, which because of the NDA update has had to be pushed back into December, so it'll be a Christmas day present for XBox One owners who trusted enough to keep their machines plugged in and online.
 
Only one reason huh....I had about 15 or so.
i stick with what i know. All the tech talk from both sides could be wrong. But i do know people...and people love to talk about s*** they aint supposed to.
 
i stick with what i know. All the tech talk from both sides could be wrong. But i do know people...and people love to talk about s*** they aint supposed to.
I don't know much about tech other then what I read and how to overclock my graphics card.....but man that guy is crazy.
 
This has gotten embarrassing for anyone semi-buying it. He's got 3 months to figure out the modifications and then try to show the correlation of how the modifications plus the cloud are equal to a 2nd GPU.

The heavy modifications to the GPU were not a secret. MS went on record a long time ago. The modifications relating to some of the technology of next gen GPUs as it relates to low level APIs is not new info. Watch some of the DX 11.2 presentations. MS talks about how next gen GPUs and X1 has special features that he new APIs tap into.

In other words, this old news will be tied to these rumors slightly. It will not vindicate this 13 year old working in his moms basement. He's got an imagination. That's all the credit he deserves.

The Mister X fan club is embarrassing.
 
And a large percentage of people believe in aliens and a larger percentage yet believe in ghosts. How about the even larger percentage that believe in god? Majority opinion is still opinion. Point?

The point is, puresoul is a man who believes there is a 5000 year old flying machine in a cave in a 'time well' in Afghanistan, and 8 US soldiers have disappeared trying to recover it.
 
Here is the transcript for anyone too lazy to click. Now seriously, without attacking anyone personally, if anyone can politely (and simply) refute this info, please do so here. I'm not a tech guy so explain please...the goalposting is ridiculous, but I'd still like to hear clear info:
I would say the part where he says that the "stereo driver" bumps it from around 3 TFlops to 4 TFlops is a good start. Here's a hint: software doesn't magically make hardware capable of more operations per second. That's a limitation of the silicon. Software improvements can make software run better, but it can't change the underlying capabilities of the hardware. Now, about that nanobot swarm from the cloud...
 
Misterx: originaly it was going to be 7770? how is that possible if you said 1 or 2 years ago it will be a beast with 2 or 3 gpus....
Because you're wrong, mrinsider (the puppet on misterx's hand).

This is why this stuff is so annoying: the notion that the actual, real hardware is somehow crap because it isn't more powerful than hardware costing $600.
 
The point is, puresoul is a man who believes there is a 5000 year old flying machine in a cave in a 'time well' in Afghanistan, and 8 US soldiers have disappeared trying to recover it.

It really is fascinating, but as you said the first time, it's a bit off-topic.