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As a general rule, if NeoGAF/Reddit have “sources” on console news, just ignore it. Most of the time, it’s inaccurate or made up.

I know it’s interesting to see if a console is f***ed up. Sony and Microsoft have hundreds of millions of $ into making them work. It’s a fact that console launches are rushed. So hearing how software is buggy this late is perfectly normal.

This sensationalism is because many people haven’t done a launch before and no launch has had as much hyper-connectivity. People just want credit for being in the know. In the long run, almost all these stories are trivial. Relax.
 
Just as the Xbox1 BF4 video comes out ANOTHER bad Xbox rumour comes out over twitter in regards to the snap and esram ............. pathetic really

Although I'm sure all these rumors are just FUD, Microsoft and IW can set the record strait at any time they want out of their infuriating ill-advised silence, which is doing them more harm than good.

So I'll lost the will to feel bad for them. They can stay silent behind their incredibly stupid NDAs all the way to their road to ruin.

As I said at E3, the entire Microsoft PR team needs to be fired so badly.
 
Nope. They are much worse than that. Latest rumors say that snap features are causing crashes, that the ESRAM will be a lifeling bottleneck and that the next generation version of PSN is now ahead of this generation's version of Live. I hope they don't prove out. The industry needs healthy competition. If the situation is true it is bad for MS but even worse for gamers.

Okay, now that sounds 100% bulls***. ESRAM is there to solve bottleneck. Let's stop this like Plainview said. GAF trolls are really going overboard.
 
Although I'm sure all these rumors are just FUD, Microsoft and IW can set the record strait at any time they want out of their infuriating ill-advised silence, which is doing them more harm than good.

So I'll lost the will to feel bad for them. They can stay silent behind their incredibly stupid NDAs all the way to their road to ruin.

As I said at E3, the entire Microsoft PR team needs to be fired so badly.

How many times do I have to say, this is not a big issue? Have you tried to find the news elsewhere? Acknowledging 'non-existant' issue is the reason to get people fired, not ignoring them as they should.
 
I'm usually pretty good with acronyms, but what is "FUD"?!? I know I'm going to kick myself when I hear the answer, but I just haven't been able to figure it out, and it's getting quite popular these days!
 
I think you guys are missing the critical points about the resolution. Its not mainly about if you can tell the difference, or if you have a TV take can make a difference.

With all else equal, & you have a TV capable, why would you want to to run a game with a lower resolution, when you have a choice of a higher resolution one.

Even more critical, is that a sign that one system is clearly better than the other? By making your game 720p when the other other is able to run at 1080p, surely means the same game have problem running at same resolution.

Of course there can be valid reasons, like the tools on one system are not yet optimise, and whatsoever. But to bring up the concern about the power difference is very valid.

I know this is at its core an XBOX site, but I feel that many people here just cannot seems to accept that there is a possibility, & a reasonable one, that your system of choice is the inferior one, as far as performance, maybe not much, but it exist. It could means lower resolution in some games, blurrier textures, less effects, or even more choppy framerates in others. Remember Skyrim on PS3. Is it not a valid point to want a more stable, maybe better looking version?

Some forumers bring up these very valid concerns, but are bring down by others, or brushed away. Maybe in the end, MS can bring the tools up to a level comparable with PS4, but that is a '?' mark.

If people say, yeah, maybe in the end, some games on XBOX will still run at lower resolution, or less pretty compare to PS4. Its not an issue for me, I can live with XBOX being less powerful, but I prefer XBOX for game due to so & so.

This is a fair statement, but to make it sound like there is no performance difference to produce 1080p vs 720p is just being bias in my opinion.

If I get an xbox, of course I hope the performance is as good as PS4, but at least, I am mentality prepare to get the 'inferor' version of a game, performance wise. If that is not the case, I will however not spend time arguing with people about inferior visuals, or say that I have poor eyesight, so I cannot tell them apart.

In a nutshell, its a fair point to say differences in resolutions doesn't matter to you, but its another thing to deny that there might be a performance difference between the system. But until then, I will wait for official reply from MS, or the developers.

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My god, has anybody seen the latest BF4 trailer, there's no freakin way that the PS MP will look better than that. /endbulls***discussions
 
Fact is, Microsoft is in a GREAT position in many ways. People are expecting the X1 to be under powered or inferior to the Ps4. If this isnt true (which it isnt) they have the element of surprise. And, good or bad, rumors or FUD, it keeps the name of Xbox in everyone's mind more so than Sony. Once the games and console releases, there is going to be a HUGE shift in momentum, popularity, tears and a whole slew of burned bridges--some beyond repair.
 
Okay, now that sounds 100% bulls***. ESRAM is there to solve bottleneck. Let's stop this like Plainview said. GAF trolls are really going overboard.

What if it isn't? We will know soon enough. No way they can hide things much longer. Have to blame MS here as their silence is deafening and only leads to more speculation. They should get in front of this train before it is too late.
 
How many times do I have to say, this is not a big issue? Have you tried to find the news elsewhere? Acknowledging 'non-existant' issue is the reason to get people fired, not ignoring them as they should.

This "issue" has already hit the biggest gaming publication on the internet, and it is the most commented upon story.

How big of an issue is debatable. But it is definitely an issue. And it was an entirely avoidable one. Even IF it was 720p, they are still doing themselves more harm than good by letting this drag on.
 
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What if it isn't? We will know soon enough. No way they can hide things much longer. Have to blame MS here as their silence is deafening and only leads to more speculation. They should get in front of this train before it is too late.

Because it contradicts exactly what Microsoft engineers explained month ago at DF. ESRAM is there to solve bottleneck issues, it's not about making one at all. Add any explanation to that and it will only turn out to be BS or BS. As for XBL, that sounds like even worse joke... Playstation Network is just like last gen, how is it more evolved than XBL which lifts everything to a whole new level (and is reportedly troubled because of that?)
 
Nope. They are much worse than that. Latest rumors say that snap features are causing crashes, that the ESRAM will be a lifeling bottleneck and that the next generation version of PSN is now ahead of this generation's version of Live. I hope they don't prove out. The industry needs healthy competition. If the situation is true it is bad for MS but even worse for gamers.

Gosh, it's like they've stopped trying to pretend to know anything and are just making up bullcrap out of whole cloth. Snap won't run on the same OS as gaming at all, so any crashes that are being reported are by the people developing TV content for XB1. ;) Bottleneck is a term that fits ESRAM about as well as a size 4 skirt fits Major Nelson; ESRAM is almost instant access to high priority data like framebuffers - bottleneck would apply more to things like, I dunno, high latency GDDR5 ram when the CPU needs to fetch data from it specifically. And Sony's PSN is definitely ahead of Live, by about 7 days - otherwise, while I expect PSN to avoid the repeat of the one month outage they had this gen, I find it difficult to see how they've developed the infrastructure and knowledge to match, let alone surpass, XBL.
 
This "issue" has already hit the biggest gaming publication on the internet, and it is the most commented upon story.

How big of an issue is debatable. But it is definitely an issue. And it was an entirely avoidable one. Even IF it was 720p, they are still doing themselves more harm than good by letting this drag on.

I said non-gaming, outside of hardcore gaming community. Gaming ones are very limited and small, and it's a great flamebait there, making lots of comments, yes. Back in E3, the used gaming policy went outside this limited boundary and affected public opinion on the console, which is not happening right now. Everyone is plain excited about how it's going to play. Go to CNET, Engadget, The Verge, or anywhere, to see what I'm talking about, not to mention major publications. What you are seeing is what is happening in a very limited community.
 
Gosh, it's like they've stopped trying to pretend to know anything and are just making up bullcrap out of whole cloth. Snap won't run on the same OS as gaming at all, so any crashes that are being reported are by the people developing TV content for XB1. ;) Bottleneck is a term that fits ESRAM about as well as a size 4 skirt fits Major Nelson; ESRAM is almost instant access to high priority data like framebuffers - bottleneck would apply more to things like, I dunno, high latency GDDR5 ram when the CPU needs to fetch data from it specifically. And Sony's PSN is definitely ahead of Live, by about 7 days - otherwise, while I expect PSN to avoid the repeat of the one month outage they had this gen, I find it difficult to see how they've developed the infrastructure and knowledge to match, let alone surpass, XBL.


It's like these internet goobers expect MS to just give up and regress? How in the hell could XBL all of a sudden be behind PSN when the service is the same as it was on the PS3 but now includes a paywall? MS didn't strip anything from Live, hell they made it better with the new servers and functions.

Jeebus... sometimes gaming people make my head hurt LOL
 
I said non-gaming, outside of hardcore gaming community. Gaming ones are very limited and small, and it's a great flamebait there, making lots of comments, yes. Back in E3, the used gaming policy went outside this limited boundary and affected public opinion on the console, which is not happening right now. Everyone is plain excited about how it's going to play. Go to CNET, Engadget, The Verge, or anywhere, to see what I'm talking about, not to mention major publications. What you are seeing is what is happening in a very limited community.

I agree that the article was bound to attract fanboys, nevertheless, the rumors are causing a lot of confusion that may be, even if slight, damaging to the Xbox. I just think it is unnecessary and unfortunate. Especially since we could get some resolution on this issue (no pun intended) in less than 5 minutes if it wasn't for some executive producer at IW being such a d!ickwad about NDAs.
 
It's like these internet goobers expect MS to just give up and regress? How in the hell could XBL all of a sudden be behind PSN when the service is the same as it was on the PS3 but now includes a paywall? MS didn't strip anything from Live, hell they made it better with the new servers and functions.

Jeebus... sometimes gaming people make my head hurt LOL
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The uneducated guess about ESRAM has been that it is something separated from both the main chip and the RAM, so it complicates the architecture and develops bottleneck. But ESRAM is inside the chip as a cache memory, and cache memory is there to alleviate bottleneck. Any claim that it is making a bottleneck is downright bull****.
 
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I said non-gaming, outside of hardcore gaming community. Gaming ones are very limited and small, and it's a great flamebait there, making lots of comments, yes. Back in E3, the used gaming policy went outside this limited boundary and affected public opinion on the console, which is not happening right now. Everyone is plain excited about how it's going to play. Go to CNET, Engadget, The Verge, or anywhere, to see what I'm talking about, not to mention major publications. What you are seeing is what is happening in a very limited community.

Actually Neogaf is so completely without credibility at this point that not even Kotaku is covering them anymore...
 
The uneducated guess about ESRAM has been that it is something separated from both the main chip and the RAM, so it complicates the architecture and develops bottleneck. But ESRAM is inside the chip as a cache memory, and cache memory is there to alleviate bottleneck. Any claim that it is making a bottleneck is downright bull****.


praise be to someone who sees thru the brown fog! :)
 
This "issue" has already hit the biggest gaming publication on the internet, and it is the most commented upon story.

How big of an issue is debatable. But it is definitely an issue. And it was an entirely avoidable one. Even IF it was 720p, they are still doing themselves more harm than good by letting this drag on.

That is what I cannot understand. The silence says more than addressing the topic. It allows the story and the rumors to grow and persist.
 
I agree that the article was bound to attract fanboys, nevertheless, the rumors are causing a lot of confusion that may be, even if slight, damaging to the Xbox. I just think it is unnecessary and unfortunate. Especially since we could get some resolution on this issue (no pun intended) in less than 5 minutes if it wasn't for some executive producer at IW being such a d!ickwad about NDAs.

Trust me, the moment Microsoft acknowledges this by reacting in any way, every single press will jump onto spec fight, and it's going to hurt a lot of things forever. Every single game will have to report at what resolution they are running the game on, and some will be falsely charged of 'lying' for missing the target resolution. I see that MS PR learned how not to react on certain aspects since Mattrick and Harrison said things they didn't have to say.
 
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It's like these internet goobers expect MS to just give up and regress? How in the hell could XBL all of a sudden be behind PSN when the service is the same as it was on the PS3 but now includes a paywall? MS didn't strip anything from Live, hell they made it better with the new servers and functions.

Jeebus... sometimes gaming people make my head hurt LOL

Live for the xbone is not the same live the 360 uses.
 
It's like these internet goobers expect MS to just give up and regress? How in the hell could XBL all of a sudden be behind PSN when the service is the same as it was on the PS3 but now includes a paywall? MS didn't strip anything from Live, hell they made it better with the new servers and functions.

Jeebus... sometimes gaming people make my head hurt LOL

Claiming PSN on the PS4 is the same as PSN on the PS3 is no different than saying XBL is broken on X1, there is no concrete evidence to support either claim...

Sure what you're saying is possible regarding PSN, but then, so is the XBL claim.

You see what I did here. :)
 
Live for the xbone is not the same live the 360 uses.

You're right, but why would it digress? It won't. It is just made to work on the XB1... It won't be automatically "worse" than PSN, MS won't do that.

Sony has, and will be playing catchup in online services for years.

It is baseless FUD for people to spread in order to discredit the XB1 in any way they can.

FUD#1: Oh, the games look good? Better drop a XBL rumor...

FUD #2: Damn, XB1 rumor got debunked, let's drop one about ESRAM... we did that last week? yeah, let's try again...

FUD#1: don't forget man, last resort, we can bust out overheating or RROD jokes
 
Claiming PSN on the PS4 is the same as PSN on the PS3 is no different than saying XBL is broken on X1, there is no concrete evidence to support either claim...

Sure what you're saying is possible regarding PSN, but then, so is the XBL claim.

You see what I did here. :)

But by all indications from Sony, the service won't be any different per se on the PS4, just some features added. What I have a problem with is, people are quick to say PSN will be SO much better now, but for some reason MS is going to totally f*** up XBL on the XB1, so hooray!

Why would MS botch it? No reason, no base for it.

I could care less about the PSN... not until early next year anyway :)
 
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