Microsoft: DirectX 12 performance up to 50% better than DirectX 11
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Phil tweeted this a little while ago, in response to the first tweet (short statement, POTENTIALLY big implications. Penello's previous statements awhile ago are making more sense now):
@ExploderMouse: @XboxP3 Hey Phil huge fan. If DX12 requires new hardware for all tweaks to be present how will the X1 have full DX12? Care to elaborate?
@XboxP3: @ExploderMouse We knew what DX12 was doing when we built Xbox One.
And of course, I can't resist re-posting this since my inner rumor-lover is taking over now....and this is a screen grab from an official MS vid...you can find it on YouTube...upper right corner
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Um.....doesnt this pretty much confirm what Penello was saying?....Oh wait. I'm late, huh? So the X1 was built with DX12 in mind.
Umm, a lot of people here are saying that. If you don't come right out and say it, you certainly seem to allude to it pretty much 90% of the time.NO ONE....and I mean....NO ONE is saying that DX12 is going magically exalt the X1 to trump the 4. Why do you keep repeating the same old mantra when not one poster here has said anything of the sort? Weird! It's like youre afraid DX12 might give the X1 an edge. Its okay, Old guy. Your Ps4 will still have the hardware edge. Breath easy.
Funny how you jump to assuming I own a PS4. Never have, probably never will. I don't like Sony as a company, in particular their PS division for my own personal reasons. I did dev work for them years ago.
But you know what I hate more? Complete lack of logic. People taking sides like crack-head children and blowing up a bunch of smoke about things they barely understand, in an attempt to get all riled about about how they're going to DESTROY the other side! As if there are any actual sides in this, as if any of these companies give a damn about you.
If you're going to talk about how much you love your purchase, it doesn't require you to make up things, believe in utter falsehoods and lies, and launch personal attacks against people, or act like policemen here who jump any anything remotely anti-whatever-the-hell-you-get-so-righteous-about. There's way too many lies and exaggerations on both sides of this "debate", and you can state 1000 reasons for why you like your xbox better than someone else's PS4 without having to act like an utter idiot. You, and those like you, spend entirely too much time getting amped up about nonsense, and about complete fabrications that have no bearing on reality.
Exactly, the main reason you don't see Sony doing the same is because neither they nor Microsoft ever did it before. Both are forced to move much faster in today's consumer environment, but overall it seems Microsoft has taken the lesson more to heart. As an entrenched hardware company that kept much of the software stuff behind closed doors, I would be surprised if you ever saw Sony hold a similar conference with a developer-centric focus. Most of their developer outreach is handled by their third party team via direct contact, not by open, public websites and conferences. I have very specific reasons why I know this to be the case.
i don't get the image?Phil tweeted this a little while ago, in response to the first tweet (short statement, POTENTIALLY big implications. Penello's previous statements awhile ago are making more sense now):
@ExploderMouse: @XboxP3 Hey Phil huge fan. If DX12 requires new hardware for all tweaks to be present how will the X1 have full DX12? Care to elaborate?
@XboxP3: @ExploderMouse We knew what DX12 was doing when we built Xbox One.
And of course, I can't resist re-posting this since my inner rumor-lover is taking over now....and this is a screen grab from an official MS vid...you can find it on YouTube...upper right corner
Oh dear lord. Where to start with this.Because the poster "old guy" has been spreading too much BS which I could not resist to ask him to just stop. His original post was so wrong which I don't even know where to begin with but....
1, He was not running Windows 10 OS and DX12 is exclusive to Win10.
2, Mantle =/= DX12 since Mantle is just an AMD's bandaid for the current DX11 cards to gain some performances of the DX12, full specs of the DX12 API are still have not been revealed yet as that Metro Redux had put it: "As for Mantle, it is a temporary API, in my honest opinion."
They will discuss the new API at this year's GDC: " ....there are a handful of rendering pipeline features that are new in DX12 that we will be outlined at GDC."
3, Only devs who have access to the preview program have their hands-on to Win10 & DX12. Some of them have stated there will be at least 40% of performance improvement over DX11. This pic says it all 29.8fps with less draw calls vs 120fps with almost double the draw calls:
4, To get all the features/functions of the new API, a native DX12 graphic card is needed:
"DirectX 12 will introduce a set of new features in addition to the lower-level abstraction, and those features will require new hardware. In his words, Microsoft “only teased” at some of those additions this week, and a “whole bunch more” are coming.
It is going to take a few months before Windows 10 is finally released, by that time the new graphics cards should have hit the market."
I just wanted him to get the facts rather spreading misinformation. Also, stop comparing the XB1's GPU with PS4's GPU since one was custom designed with native DX12 in mind whereas the other is just a DX11.
1. I have no idea what you're talking about here. Of course DX12 is exclusive to Windows 10. Except where it's also on Xbox One, of course.
2. Mantle is pretty much exactly the same thing as DX12, doing the exact same kinds of things as DX12, just by a different company. You mention it being a "temporary API", but that's the opinion of one developer, not the official word on Mantle. I actually agree with that developer, however, in that I find it difficult to believe that Mantle will gain traction in a market with Nvidia (why would Nvidia ever support Mantle?). Regardless, temporary or not, they are two very similar APIs solving very similar problems and they share a number of features even down to the API call level. Why? Because they're both coming from the same source: the APIs in DX11 and previous, similar APIs. Both are solving 2 very specific problems: low-level access to hardware for PC gaming (console-like access) and addressing multithreaded communication b/w the CPU and GPU. To say "Mantle isn't DX12" is, while certainly true, a completely useless statement.
3. I have no idea what you're stating here, but of course you're cherrypicking certain quotes. No one has ever stated "at least 40% improvement". Everyone is saying "up to 40% improvement in CPU utilization". "At least" is VERY different from "up to". That actual increase is very significant, and will be especially so for these consoles b/c of their weaker CPUs. But please, get your facts straight.
4. Yes, to get ALL the features of a new version of DirectX always requires a card that supports it. The actual beauty of DX12, however, is that the newer features are by and large gained by a rewrite of old legacy DX code, which means they're based on internal code improvements rather than relying on newer hardware features. That means there will be a lot of benefits for older cards, as well as for the X1.
5. The X1 and PS4 share the same GPU family. If you are claiming that somehow there are DX12 hardware features available to the X1 GPU as opposed to the PS4 GPU, please, list the hardware features. You should be able to go through the DX12 docs and get the exact calls that are hardware reliant. I'd like for you to show me which of these features are available on X1, and then show me where it's documented that the PS4 GPU does not support these features. The true fact is that both GPUs are very similar, and both offer DX12-level hardware features. If you can find proof of specific features that doesn't come from puresoul or mistercteam or xmedia, I'll stand corrected.
I fail to see how me stating simple facts is somehow "spreading misinformation". At every turn I'm trying to make it clear I'm not anti-xbox (couldn't be further from the truth!). But evidently if people don't tell you exactly what you want to hear, exactly the way you want to hear it, all the time, they're heretics in your mind and should be shouted down.
Look at the far upper right corner....and that is not photoshopped.
Like I said people who are the circle at MS are professionals and yet jackasses keep talking act like they know what they are talking about.
Angry Joe and that f*cker total biscuits sh*it face are mostly responsible to Tue damage that cost MS. I bet that policy they had had to be awesome and those people f*ucked it up.
This will be the last time you all need to stop talking all this s*** act like you know when your not in the company doing the projects.
Now MS is in for the kill and to remind why they put a hurting on SONY last gen.
So lets just get this straig
Not sure if you've seen the question he answered to because my post didn't show it (sorry) but it implies more than it was built with it in mind, more the GPU has been built with the specific DX12 hardware that will be shipping with the latest gpu's that FULLY support DX12. The Megaton is in the question as much as the answer.
Not sure if you've seen the question he answered to because my post didn't show it (sorry) but it implies more than it was built with it in mind, more the GPU has been built with the specific DX12 hardware that will be shipping with the latest gpu's that FULLY support DX12. The Megaton is in the question as much as the answer.
I guess I'm underwhelmed. If the surprise is MS custom designed their hardware for full DX12 support then that was my expectation all along.
I agree with what you're saying Old Guy. But MC is right. No one one is expecting this to magically bridge the gap in hardware between X1 and PS4. And no, Puresouls doesn't count.
Also for the Sony guys...no one is saying that Sony won't improve their software while Microsoft makes huge gains.
I do see people saying that Microsoft is a better software company. Which may or not be true.
Phil has clarified his previous statement regarding the impact DDX12 will have on X1
probably still dependent on whether the game is cpu bound as stated at the win10 conference?
The NeoGAF thread on this have a bunch of the PC players jumping into the DX12 hype as they are holding off on graphic card upgrades to confirm full compatibility.
I'm guessing because its a Caribbean Island?
Either way, its really proof of nothing. We can infer, but I wouldn't put my rep on the line for an assumption based on that.
A little too high-right! A little lower it says 'almost time to talk about Xbox'.
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