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[Kvally]

Isn't 4K a high graphical setting of itself? Sounds redundant what you are asking for.

I suppose what you are meaning is can a game do 4K + 60fps + detailed textures/anti-aliasing/complex lighting/depth of view/anisotropic filtering/fill in other high graphic tech terms. And while you are at it may as well include complex AI, tons of NPC's, online multiplayer, 3D sound, and everything else you will find in a top title. Basically you want to know that games like Halo/Forza/AssCreed/GTA/etc can do it all on Scorpio as opposed to games like Hexic/PacMan/Peggle which we all know should achieve these high standards in all areas.

Pretty sure Flynn fully explained that it is possible with trade-offs chosen by the devs. Seems if 1st party titles will achieve then there should be no reason 3rd party can't also achieve if they choose. But for multi-plats we will have devs go for parity with other lesser consoles like PS4 and even X1 Vanilla since we aren't actually fully moving to a new gen.

So the next Assassins Creed, for example, I am sure Ubisoft is working on something that will play on any X1, X1 slim, X1 S, Scorpio, PS4, PS4 slim, PS4 Pro. The Scorpio version will surely have a few extra bells and whistles but if the base version runs 1080p 30fps then I would doubt you are going to see a 4K 60fps ability for just 1 version. But then again maybe some devs will go the route of Crystal Dynamics RotTR and give Scorpio users options in the settings to turn up fps with graphics allowances. I would suspect options like that will be more common a few years into Scorpio's life than right from the get-go.

This guy gets it.

 

[Registered User 1]

By "MAX SETTINGS", I assume you mean today's max PC settings.

The quick answer is that if a relatively straightforward Scorpio support patch were to be built, NO, a Scorpio version would not likely be native/true 4K/60fps with max PC settings.

What you could expect from a Scorpio version is:

Roughly 4x the resultion of the Xbox One counterpart, the same target frame rate (likely with a more consistent rate), with improved texture quality, and other possible minor upgrades in rendering effects quality.

Fallout 4's target frame rate is 30fps on consoles, so you shouldn't expect 60fps on Scorpio. F4's native resolution on X1 is 1080p, so an immediate 4x the res on Scorpio would be easily achievable, and you'd get true/native 4K. Since DF says the texture resolution on consoles seems to be the same as PC at max settings, you wouldn't see any magical improvements in textures, but that wouldn't be because Scorpio isn't capable of improving the textures, it's because higher resolution textures may not exist, and it would take time (read: money) to re-author assets for Scorpio that would surpass EXISTING "max setting" PC textures.

With not a lot of effort, Scorpio could probably do 4K, 30fps, with max or closer-to-max-of-PC-than-PS4 graphical settings... but I think it would be a huge stretch to think it could get anywhere near 4K/60 w/PC MAX. That would require closer to 8x the X1's perf, and Scorpio is closer to 4.5x of the X1. None of this is strictly linear, but it gives you the ballpark.

EDIT: If they wanted 60fps, they could probably do FAUXK (checkerboard), and run at twice the frame rate... but they might have CPU limitations which keep them from hitting 60fps, which would need to be factored into the equation... and this goes back to good ol' prioritizations, design targets, and decisions, decisions, decisions...

Is that checker board method a Sony exclusive thing? It sounded hit and miss initially, but after the games have been patched a few times, DF seem a bit more impressed by it.

Also, any news on them working on the Blu-ray codecs, so as Shia LaBeouf's face doesn't turn me off my dinner?

 

[Flynn]

VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS

The original Crysis had VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS.

Get specific.

 

[Flynn]

Is that checker board method a Sony exclusive thing? It sounded hit and miss initially, but after the games have been patched a few times, DF seem a bit more impressed by it.

Also, any news on them working on the Blu-ray codecs, so as Shia LaBeouf's face doesn't turn me off my dinner?

Checkerboard rendering is not a Sony exclusive thing, but Sony has apparently made it very easy for devs to render with it.

Tragically, I haven't heard of anything to help with making Shia LaBeof's face less unappetizing... that's a couple generations out.

 

[aceattorney]

Absolutely.

And this proves my point. I think there is too much presumed in the writings on these forums. If you want to have a meaningful discussion, get specific. Words and phrasing matter. Saying something silly like, "Xbox can't do 60fps" is literally false, so if you want or expect me to make presumptions which would make a false statement correct, then you're asking for too much. We can't have meaningful conversations when we're layering in so much presumption.

So thank you for finally saying what I've been waiting for others to say.

Alright, so now I can deal with your more specific comment:

[Can Scorpio run games at] "4K 60fps WITH VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS"

Get more specific. Are you referring to a specific game? Some games that are on PC today that have come out in the last few years will be able to run at native 4K with what would be pretty close to nearly identical to PC at 4K, 60fps, with high settings. Other PC games which even a 1080 paired with 32gigs of fast ram and an overclocked 6700k CPU can't run at 4K/60fps w/ VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS obviously won't be able to run on Scorpio at 4K/60fps w/ VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS.

So the answer to your question is litterally both yes, and no.

This is why getting specific matters.

One good way of thinking about it is to consider how the PS4 pro compares to a super high end PC running a game at 4K/60 FPS, VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS. Look at that delta. Now consider that the Scorpio is neary 50% more powerful, and what you'll get is something that lands squarely between the two; better than PS4 Pro, but obviously not identical to the PC, coming out with some sacrifices.

Furthermore, we should expect that X1 Scorpio games will have superior textures to PS4 pro games, given the vastly superior (much faster) and higher quantity ram it will have over the pro. Pro games can't increase texture resolution over the PS4 vanilla, but Scorpio can.

See how much better conversations are when people get specific, and stop making so many presumptions?

You're commenting far too much on the fundamental premises.

Yes, Scorpio will look fantastic. Will it perform as well as a top of the line computer with $2,000 of components? No. And that's ok. In fact, that's reasonable.

But to suggest that Scorpio will easily pump out games at native 4K 60fps without mentioning that to do so would take tremendous sacrifices in image quality was rather misleading. Based on your response to me, that was your intent.

Don't do that anymore. You've been a great member of this forum and a great source of insight. Yes, you've gone through a lot of abuse from Sony fanboys here. But you don't have to resort to misleading comments.

This whole thing is a rehash of what gamers debated before the X1 launched. Idiots claimed it would easily run games at 1080p 60fps (don't forget our base presumptions). A simple examination of the specs was enough for reasonable people to realize that wasn't likely.

It's the same thing with Scorpio. Stop hyping it up to be a machine that will run all of the next gen games at 4K 60fps. It won't.

Scorpio will be great and awesome and wonderful, but it won't be a top-of-the-line machine.

 

[Oblong]

Stop hyping it up to be a machine that will run all of the next gen games at 4K 60fps. It won't.

Scorpio will be great and awesome and wonderful, but it won't be a top-of-the-line machine.

Such carefully chosen words. Scorpio is going to be a top of the line CONSOLE. A top of the line PC costs thousands of dollars and 99% of the people dont have one of those to even compare.

Scorpio will perform better than most consumer ready PC's because it is designed solely for gaming and is a closed system. And it will have the ability to do more than any console on the market now or for the forseeable future.

If.1st party studios can make 4k 60fps top flight games on it then so can 3rd party...if they chose to. We know they won't because of reasons but they could.

 

[hrudey]

But to suggest that Scorpio will easily pump out games at native 4K 60fps without mentioning that to do so would take tremendous sacrifices in image quality was rather misleading. Based on your response to me, that was your intent.

It definitely would be inaccurate to suggest that, but based on the post you're quoting, I don't see it. For example:

One good way of thinking about it is to consider how the PS4 pro compares to a super high end PC running a game at 4K/60 FPS, VERY HIGH GRAPHICAL SETTINGS. Look at that delta. Now consider that the Scorpio is neary 50% more powerful, and what you'll get is something that lands squarely between the two; better than PS4 Pro, but obviously not identical to the PC, coming out with some sacrifices.

He literally says it won't be as good as top end PC and actually uses the word "sacrifices."

 

[Frozpot]

You're commenting far too much on the fundamental premises.

Yes, Scorpio will look fantastic. Will it perform as well as a top of the line computer with $2,000 of components? No. And that's ok. In fact, that's reasonable.

But to suggest that Scorpio will easily pump out games at native 4K 60fps without mentioning that to do so would take tremendous sacrifices in image quality was rather misleading. Based on your response to me, that was your intent.

Don't do that anymore. You've been a great member of this forum and a great source of insight. Yes, you've gone through a lot of abuse from Sony fanboys here. But you don't have to resort to misleading comments.

This whole thing is a rehash of what gamers debated before the X1 launched. Idiots claimed it would easily run games at 1080p 60fps (don't forget our base presumptions). A simple examination of the specs was enough for reasonable people to realize that wasn't likely.

It's the same thing with Scorpio. Stop hyping it up to be a machine that will run all of the next gen games at 4K 60fps. It won't.

Scorpio will be great and awesome and wonderful, but it won't be a top-of-the-line machine.

I've certainly bumped heads with Flynn before, but I'm not seeing him do what you are describing.

 

[Viktor]

I think more importantly, is Flynn a Trump supporter?

 

[Flynn]

Yes, Scorpio will look fantastic. Will it perform as well as a top of the line computer with $2,000 of components? No. And that's ok. In fact, that's reasonable.

We agree, and no post of mine says or implies differently.

But to suggest that Scorpio will easily pump out games at native 4K 60fps without mentioning that to do so would take tremendous sacrifices in image quality was rather misleading. Based on your response to me, that was your intent.

False. My intent was to show how words matter, phrasing matters, and posts with too many built in presumptions are litterally false if taken at face value. Some people need to get more specific in their posts, or we'all all be talking in meaningless circles.

Besides, Scorpio can pump out beautiful games at 4K/60fps without "tremendous sacrifices". I think a game that looks like Halo 5 running at 60fps locked, with dynamic resolution scaling and 4K native the majority of the time is not "tremendous sacrifices". I think they are marginal sacrifices which do result in a step down from a powerhouse PC, but not a meaningful step. Scorpio will offer the best rendering for your gaming buck, come fall.

Don't do that anymore. You've been a great member of this forum and a great source of insight. Yes, you've gone through a lot of abuse from Sony fanboys here. But you don't have to resort to misleading comments.

It's not misleading to say that Scorpio or PS4 Pro can easily render 4K/60fps. That is a simple fact. What would be misleading is to say or imply that just because such performance targets are easy to hit, that therefore all games (or even most games) will hit those targets. Thankfully, I've never done that, and in fact stated just the opposite. I've made it clear that no matter how much power we give devs, or how easy we make it - there will never be a world where all games on a system are 4K/60fps. There will always be choices, and those choices don't go away with more power.

This whole thing is a rehash of what gamers debated before the X1 launched. Idiots claimed it would easily run games at 1080p 60fps (don't forget our base presumptions). A simple examination of the specs was enough for reasonable people to realize that wasn't likely.

I don't forget your base presumptions, but as long as you make them and post comments which are litterally false without making such presumptions, I'll continue to call bulls***. This isn't a rehash of anything.

Forza released on day one for X1 running at a flawless 1080p/60fps. That combo isn't difficult for X1. What is difficult is such a combo when also pushing rendering quality, effects, geometric complexity, with sophisticated shaders, art assets, AI, animations, which go beyond what wa a possible last gen.

It's the same thing with Scorpio. Stop hyping it up to be a machine that will run all of the next gen games at 4K 60fps. It won't.

I'm not. If people are getting what you're suggesting from my posts, they're making presumptions and should quit it. Thankfully, it would seem most don't agree with you.

Scorpio will be great and awesome and wonderful, but it won't be equivalent to a top-of-the-line PC machine.

Again, we agree, after I alter your unspecific text to make it mean what i presume you mean.

 

[D-V-ANT]

We agree, and no post of mine says or implies differently.



False. My intent was to show how words matter, phrasing matters, and posts with too many built in presumptions are litterally false if taken at face value. Some people need to get more specific in their posts, or we'all all be talking in meaningless circles.

Besides, Scorpio can pump out beautiful games at 4K/60fps without "tremendous sacrifices". I think a game that looks like Halo 5 running at 60fps locked, with dynamic resolution scaling and 4K native the majority of the time is not "tremendous sacrifices". I think they are marginal sacrifices which do result in a step down from a powerhouse PC, but not a meaningful step. Scorpio will offer the best rendering for your gaming buck, come fall.



It's not misleading to say that Scorpio or PS4 Pro can easily render 4K/60fps. That is a simple fact. What would be misleading is to say or imply that just because such performance targets are easy to hit, that therefore all games (or even most games) will hit those targets. Thankfully, I've never done that, and in fact stated just the opposite. I've made it clear that no matter how much power we give devs, or how easy we make it - there will never be a world where all games on a system are 4K/60fps. There will always be choices, and those choices don't go away with more power.



I don't forget your base presumptions, but as long as you make them and post comments which are litterally false without making such presumptions, I'll continue to call bulls***. This isn't a rehash of anything.

Forza released on day one for X1 running at a flawless 1080p/60fps. That combo isn't difficult for X1. What is difficult is such a combo when also pushing rendering quality, effects, geometric complexity, with sophisticated shaders, art assets, AI, animations, which go beyond what wa a possible last gen.



I'm not. If people are getting what you're suggesting from my posts, they're making presumptions and should quit it. Thankfully, it would seem most don't agree with you.



Again, we agree, after I alter your unspecific text to make it mean what i presume you mean.

I think you're assuming more than you should be. You certainly completely overestimated my posts and found a lot of imaginary presumptions in them. All I said is I wanted a good architected machine that help give 60fps. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting with Scorpio.

Oh and if you know the price you ass, then silently nod your head when I say the price.

$500.

I KNEW IT!!!

 

[Frozpot]

I think you're assuming more than you should be. You certainly completely overestimated my posts and found a lot of imaginary presumptions in them. All I said is I wanted a good architected machine that help give 60fps. I'm pretty sure that's what I'm getting with Scorpio.

Oh and if you know the price you ass, then silently nod your head when I say the price.

$500.

I KNEW IT!!!

The point, though, is that any machine is built to do that. His point is that sort of generic statements like that are impossible as long as devs have developmental freedom. That every game NOW could be 60fps if they made appropriate sacrifices.

The hardware is a tool, not and end. Being more powerful, by default, helps to get to 60fps... As long as nothing else changes. That simply isn't a priority for some developers. Nothing to do with hardware. That's why that line of thinking is frustrating to deal with, imo.


It's also worth noting that a game made without the low end in mind is far more likely to not be 60fps, as there is less likelihood of power surplus after a game is made.

If there were no consoles, you'd probably see far prettier, and far fewer games running 200fps, and even some only getting 30, because there is no substantial baseline. The reason the PC community enjoys a suposed high res and fps standard is because most games have to run on console. Double edged sword, really.

 

[D-V-ANT]

The point, though, is that any machine is built to do that. His point is that sort of generic statements like that are impossible as long as devs have developmental freedom. That every game NOW could be 60fps if they made appropriate sacrifices.

The hardware is a tool, not and end. Being more powerful, by default, helps to get to 60fps... As long as nothing else changes. That simply isn't a priority for some developers. Nothing to do with hardware. That's why that line of thinking is frustrating to deal with, imo.


It's also worth noting that a game made without the low end in mind is far more likely to not be 60fps, as there is less likelihood of power surplus after a game is made.

If there were no consoles, you'd probably see far prettier, and far fewer games running 200fps, and even some only getting 30, because there is no substantial baseline. The reason the PC community enjoys a suposed high res and fps standard is because most games have to run on console. Double edged sword, really.

But that's the core point I disagree with. Fundamentally any machine might well be able to do that but we are talking about a video game console in the era of call of duty/halo. When Xbox gamers talk about wanting a machine that gives developers an easier way to achieve better games the meaning should be pretty f***ing obvious. We're not talking about Pong or PacMan. We're talking about FPS and twitch games. Generalising to include games no one is actually talking abut and then blaming that on presumptive conversation is just silly.

You know what you want from Scorpio. So do I. I'm not expecting 4K native 60 FPS for a next gen shooter but I am expecting the best that be done because now the tools are available to the developers.

 

[Frozpot]

But that's the core point I disagree with. Fundamentally any machine might well be able to do that but we are talking about a video game console in the era of call of duty/halo. When Xbox gamers talk about wanting a machine that gives developers an easier way to achieve better games the meaning should be pretty f***ing obvious. We're not talking about Pong or PacMan. We're talking about FPS and twitch games. Generalising to include games no one is actually talking abut and then blaming that on presumptive conversation is just silly.

You know what you want from Scorpio. So do I. I'm not expecting 4K native 60 FPS for a next gen shooter but I am expecting the best that be done because now the tools are available to the developers.

But are you disagreeing with? You know this stuff. It's infinitely obvious that Scorpio versions will be the best versions unless a dev completely drops the ball. The specs alone pretty much guarantee it. The minimum quality would be Xbox one level, but seeing as there is another base console version to target, I'd wager even the laziest version for Scorpio would be at least PS4 quality.

My guess is that minimum spec for Scorps would be on par with the Pro though. I mean, it's already made, and a larger install base would direct that to get the focus.

Hell, we already get COD and BF at 60fps on current consoles, so there is no reason to believe that would change. A more solid framerate is a given, I would think. I definitely think we will be seeing a lot more games go for the Dynamic Resolution angle to maintain framerate. Beyond that, the highest sellers may well be twitch games, but that doesn't mean other types aren't where to find money, so they are definitely in the equation.

Upping FPS is also not the only way to make a game better. For twitch shooters, yes, but there are games that benefit more from immersion or physics, or vast, detailed open worlds. You can't make blanket statements where there isn't one way to do things.

You are right, no one is talking about Pong or Pacman, but certainly Halo will. If it runs 1080/60fps on the One, it'll run 4k/60fps on Scorpio. I'd love to see FH3 at 60fps, but I'd wager that would mean no 4k. It would be awesome to have the option though. It's certainly too early to know what they are going to do, and I doubt Flynn is even allowed tell you anyway, though everything he has said has been what I expect.

As stated by Flynn before, EXPECT it to go thusly:

If Xone can do it 1080p/60 fps, Expect Scorps to do 4k/60ps
if Xone does it 1080/30 fps, Expect Scorps to do 4k/ 30fps

That is not Pacman or Pong, but it's not Crysis either.

I just hope they go the option route, but as he has said before, some engines are built around specific framerate (my guess is for optimization reasons), then they would have to totally re-write to do more. Hopefully game in future will be built with this in mind.

 

[Oblong]

Good post Frozpot. Nothing really to add as you summed it up succinctly.

 

[Frozpot]

Once Scorpio hits, regardless, I think the days of even 1080p are over if you have a 4k tv...

 

[D-V-ANT]

Once Scorpio hits, regardless, I think the days of even 1080p are over if you have a 4k tv...

Slightly different question here... what would be the minimum screen size you'd need for a 4K TV? Currently I play on a 42" HD flat screen. I only sit about 5 feet away so 42 is fine. But I'm thinking of getting a 4K set with Scorpio.

 

[menace-uk-]

Slightly different question here... what would be the minimum screen size you'd need for a 4K TV? Currently I play on a 42" HD flat screen. I only sit about 5 feet away so 42 is fine. But I'm thinking of getting a 4K set with Scorpio.

Depends. Are you prepared to or can you move closer to the TV? To see the difference from your distance the recommended size is around 70 - 80 inches.

If you wanted a screen of similar size to what you have now, then you would need to sit 1.5 - 2 feet away.

 

[Entreri804]

Slightly different question here... what would be the minimum screen size you'd need for a 4K TV? Currently I play on a 42" HD flat screen. I only sit about 5 feet away so 42 is fine. But I'm thinking of getting a 4K set with Scorpio.

From that viewing distance 55 would work just fine . However that would be the bare minimum size based on my experience with my 65 inch 4K set . Anything under 55 inches would be a total waste for 4K IMO to see the full benefits .

 

[Oblong]

Gosh I sit about 8-10 feet away so I guess I should have bought a 120" 4K set.

Oddly enough I do see a big difference from my prior 1080p set but maybe that's things other than the pixel density. How close should I sit to a 65" set? Thanks.

 

[Frozpot]

Slightly different question here... what would be the minimum screen size you'd need for a 4K TV? Currently I play on a 42" HD flat screen. I only sit about 5 feet away so 42 is fine. But I'm thinking of getting a 4K set with Scorpio.

Enteri is right, I think. I've got a 65" TV, and sit about seven feet away. I wouldn't want to sit closer than seven either. I can tell the difference to about nine feet. I think people argue over this because our eyeballs are all different, lol, so it's hard to say if 42" would work for you. I'd definitely try and see in person how much bang for the buck I'd get from that size/distance difference.

That said, I would personally make sure it was an SUHD (or Equivalent hdr) TV. The increase in color is the real reason and gets the most out of the increased resolution. An example would be Difference in Forza Horizon with and without HDR. It's pretty substantial, and that's got nothing to do with the resolution, and everything to do with color and brightness. I wouldn't buy a 4k TV without HDR.

 

[D-V-ANT]

From that viewing distance 55 would work just fine . However that would be the bare minimum size based on my experience with my 60 inch 4K set . Anything under 55 inches would be a total waste for 4K IMO to see the full benefits .

Wow. Ok. I though maybe 50" would be enough. That's what I have in the living room and I'm not sure if something bigger would fit up in my man cave. I might move it up and have a look.

 

[Entreri804]

Wow. Ok. I though maybe 50" would be enough. That's what I have in the living room and I'm not sure if something bigger would fit up in my man cave. I might move it up and have a look.

opps . Had a typo . My set is 65 not 60. My plasma TV that was in this room was a 50 inch . Then when it died I got a 55 inch 4K . I noticed I had to get real close to it to really see the difference for 4K so within my 30 day period, I exchanged the set for the 65 inch version and paid the difference. Best investment ever . Trust me on this one , go with 55 for your current viewing distance . Anything smaller then that, you will be Disappointed . My vision with my contacts in, is 20/15 . So I'm basing my opinion on this with pretty damn good eyesight. Heh

 

[aceattorney]

We agree, and no post of mine says or implies differently.



False. My intent was to show how words matter, phrasing matters, and posts with too many built in presumptions are litterally false if taken at face value. Some people need to get more specific in their posts, or we'all all be talking in meaningless circles.

Besides, Scorpio can pump out beautiful games at 4K/60fps without "tremendous sacrifices". I think a game that looks like Halo 5 running at 60fps locked, with dynamic resolution scaling and 4K native the majority of the time is not "tremendous sacrifices". I think they are marginal sacrifices which do result in a step down from a powerhouse PC, but not a meaningful step. Scorpio will offer the best rendering for your gaming buck, come fall.



It's not misleading to say that Scorpio or PS4 Pro can easily render 4K/60fps. That is a simple fact. What would be misleading is to say or imply that just because such performance targets are easy to hit, that therefore all games (or even most games) will hit those targets. Thankfully, I've never done that, and in fact stated just the opposite. I've made it clear that no matter how much power we give devs, or how easy we make it - there will never be a world where all games on a system are 4K/60fps. There will always be choices, and those choices don't go away with more power.



I don't forget your base presumptions, but as long as you make them and post comments which are litterally false without making such presumptions, I'll continue to call bulls***. This isn't a rehash of anything.

Forza released on day one for X1 running at a flawless 1080p/60fps. That combo isn't difficult for X1. What is difficult is such a combo when also pushing rendering quality, effects, geometric complexity, with sophisticated shaders, art assets, AI, animations, which go beyond what wa a possible last gen.



I'm not. If people are getting what you're suggesting from my posts, they're making presumptions and should quit it. Thankfully, it would seem most don't agree with you.



Again, we agree, after I alter your unspecific text to make it mean what i presume you mean.

At this point we are more in agreement than disagreement, and your last series of posts have had much more clarity, so I will let you have the last word on the matter. Please let me say again though, how appreciative I am of your presence on these boards. Your insight is extremely interesting and you continue to share them with us no matter how tough we are on you. THANK YOU.

On a different note, I was a huge defender of Kinect 2, despite encountering game-breaking issues with it (particularly when using Xbox Fitness). I think the idea behind it is wonderful but the technology was still too weak to actually work well. I wont' be surprised if Scorpio abandons Kinect, since Xbox has all but abandoned Kinect (not to mention the fact that many people didn't actually use it), but my biggest hope for the next gen console is that it will have some advancement in the motion detection camera. Yes, this feature is something that I want even more than 4K 60fps. ;p

 

[Flynn]

At this point we are more in agreement than disagreement, and your last series of posts have had much more clarity, so I will let you have the last word on the matter. Please let me say again though, how appreciative I am of your presence on these boards. Your insight is extremely interesting and you continue to share them with us no matter how tough we are on you. THANK YOU.

On a different note, I was a huge defender of Kinect 2, despite encountering game-breaking issues with it (particularly when using Xbox Fitness). I think the idea behind it is wonderful but the technology was still too weak to actually work well. I wont' be surprised if Scorpio abandons Kinect, since Xbox has all but abandoned Kinect (not to mention the fact that many people didn't actually use it), but my biggest hope for the next gen console is that it will have some advancement in the motion detection camera. Yes, this feature is something that I want even more than 4K 60fps. ;p

Love this. Thank you. I'm totally with you, man.

Also, I'd like to apologize. Whenever i re-read some of my posts, I think I sometimes come across as an ass, and get abrasive in ways which aren't productive. Thanks for looking passed those posts, and seeing the positives.

And thanks to you too, for being honest and upfront (even in disagreement) WITHOUT being an ass. That's something I need to work on.

 

[D-V-ANT]

opps . Had a typo . My set is 65 not 60. My plasma TV that was in this room was a 50 inch . Then when it died I got a 55 inch 4K . I noticed I had to get real close to it to really see the difference for 4K so within my 30 day period, I exchanged the set for the 65 inch version and paid the difference. Best investment ever . Trust me on this one , go with 55 for your current viewing distance . Anything smaller then that, you will be Disappointed . My vision with my contacts in, is 20/15 . So I'm basing my opinion on this with pretty damn good eyesight. Heh

Cool man. Thanks for the advice. I'll have a hard time swinging that one with the wife. I'll have to lie say I'm only getting a new 42".

 

[Entreri804]

Cool man. Thanks for the advice. I'll have a hard time swinging that one with the wife. I'll have to lie say I'm only getting a new 42".

She probably would not be able to tell the difference anyway. The reason I say that. when I had my new 55 inch briefly before I upgraded to the 65, my better half to this day still has never noticed. Lol! Never said a word to her about it either . I swapped it out before she got home . Heh

 

[D-V-ANT]

She probably would not be able to tell the difference anyway. The reason I say that. when I had my new 55 inch briefly before I upgraded to the 65, my better half to this day still has never noticed. Lol! Never said a word to her about it either . I swapped it out before she got home . Heh

Nice.

 

[The Wolf King]

She probably would not be able to tell the difference anyway. The reason I say that. when I had my new 55 inch briefly before I upgraded to the 65, my better half to this day still has never noticed. Lol! Never said a word to her about it either . I swapped it out before she got home . Heh

 

[Mcmasters]

She probably would not be able to tell the difference anyway. The reason I say that. when I had my new 55 inch briefly before I upgraded to the 65, my better half to this day still has never noticed. Lol! Never said a word to her about it either . I swapped it out before she got home . Heh

I'm tellin' on yo....AZZ!! lol. Straight snitchin'...