Uncharted 4

Just because you give ND time to make a game doesn't mean it's going to magically end up being the "god game of the world". Oftentimes a game that gets delayed too long could spell disaster when it's finally released. We don't know why games get delayed but the fact remains that "something not right" caused it. If you get too many cooks in the kitchen, your meal can be spoiled.

Naughty Dog are a top tier dev, and it is hard to argue with their success both in sales and critical acclaim.
Odds are UC4 will follow suit.
 
Fair enough Andy. :wink:

I personally think the delay, although a little bad, is going to resort to A LOT of good. ND has never failed to deliver. So its no question that the game is going to be a big hit. Personally, I'm equally eager to see these guys achieve the unthinkable, at least based on the headlines. :txbsmile:
It being better next year doesn't help THIS year ;)
If and that is a big If Sony has no other exclusives coming later this year.... how could this be a good thing?

I will answer my own question and await yours.
Sony MIGHT have something else in store(that actually is a current rumor)
Sony wins advertising rights for SW Battle Front and gets exclusive content/SE SW themed consoles etc.
PS4 continues to have the best versions of the best games which are 3rd party games and 2015 is full of them.
One or more XBO exclusive gets a delay of its own.
 
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Just because you give ND time to make a game doesn't mean it's going to magically end up being the "god game of the world". Oftentimes a game that gets delayed too long could spell disaster when it's finally released. We don't know why games get delayed but the fact remains that "something not right" caused it. If you get too many cooks in the kitchen, your meal can be spoiled.
This game WILL be better because of the delay you can bank on it.
 
Just because you give ND time to make a game doesn't mean it's going to magically end up being the "god game of the world". Oftentimes a game that gets delayed too long could spell disaster when it's finally released. We don't know why games get delayed but the fact remains that "something not right" caused it. If you get too many cooks in the kitchen, your meal can be spoiled.

They haven't had the full team working on the game for all that long, they also had some issues with changing writers a while back so even though they said that wouldn't affect production who knows if it did or not? But generally speaking when a game gets delayed multiple times etc you can start to worry, one delay from a top dev shouldn't be cause for concern, hell even TLOU was delayed more than once and it's one of the best games I have ever played.
 
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This game WILL be better because of the delay you can bank on it.

That's a TD guarantee. Uncharted 4 with extra development time is just scary. Naughty Dog is like a great quarterback sitting in the pocket with no pass rush. They'll pick you apart every time. Take it to the bank and cash it.
 
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LoL! If that happened, the doors will be blown off the hinges. One thing you should never do is underestimate ND. By giving these guys time, all you're doing is giving them a loaded weapon.

I don't know if you remembered this footage before, but just think if these guys had enough horsepower, what they could have done:

http://nd.images.s3.amazonaws.com/timeline/big_demo.mp4

So the delay is not something i would say is bad, really. For these guys, it is definitely good, and I think you can only be a fool to underestimate them.

I don't get how that was a dig at ND or some sort of underestimation of their talents...
 
I don't get how that was a dig at ND or some sort of underestimation of their talents...
I never said it was nor was it directed at Andy if you go back and read the text. It was referenced to those thinking more time with ND is somehow a bad thing when actually it is more dangerous because of their talent.
 
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Just because you give ND time to make a game doesn't mean it's going to magically end up being the "god game of the world". Oftentimes a game that gets delayed too long could spell disaster when it's finally released. We don't know why games get delayed but the fact remains that "something not right" caused it. If you get too many cooks in the kitchen, your meal can be spoiled.
Had you been talking about some low level developer team, I'd agree with you. You should really check these guys history, and you I'll see what I am talking about.
 
It being better next year doesn't help THIS year ;)
If and that is a big If Sony has no other exclusives coming later this year.... how could this be a good thing?

I will answer my own question and await yours.
Sony MIGHT have something else in store(that actually is a current rumor)
Sony wins advertising rights for SW Battle Front and gets exclusive content/SE SW themed consoles etc.
PS4 continues to have the best versions of the best games which are 3rd party games and 2015 is full of them.
One or more XBO exclusive gets a delay of its own.

Because the thread is about Uncharted and not the holiday list, it'll sidetrack the topic. Andy went over this earlier already. :txbconfused:

So, i guess you'll just be awaiting my answer. :grin: ....sorry
 
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I never said it was nor was it directed at Andy if you go back and read the text. It was referenced to those thinking more time with ND is somehow a bad thing when actually it is more dangerous because of their talent.

Then why did you quote his reply then?
 
Then why did you quote his reply then?

It's all right, I knew he wasn't talking to me, but just using my post as a jumping-off point to express his opinions about ND.
 
It's all right, I knew he wasn't talking to me, but just using my post as a jumping-off point to express his opinions about ND.

Yeah I got that too. He should at least quote something that corresponds to what he's talking about though...
 
Then why did you quote his reply then?
If you go back and read the text, you will see that both Andy and me agree that by ND prolonging the launch can only be a good thing for the game. Because ND is so talented, any amount of time they get, they will run that ball. Andy dropped an important point that expanded on the point I gave but only this time with ND getting MORE time. The point is, if ND can do damage with a short amount if time, then they can clearly do some damage had their time been increased. THAT was the reason for that post.

Instead of finding a reason to attack the message, calm down, step back and try to understand it. We are not going to agree on everything here, and perhaps you are still feeling some type of way about that. I guess this where the debate becomes far less satisfying.
 
If you go back and read the text, you will see that both Andy and me agree that by ND prolonging the launch can only be a good thing for the game. Because ND is so talented, any amount of time they get, they will run that ball. Andy dropped an important point that expanded on the point I gave but only this time with ND getting MORE time. The point is, if ND can do damage with a short amount if time, then they can clearly do some damage had their time been increased. THAT was the reason for that post.

Instead of finding a reason to attack the message, calm down, step back and try to understand it. We are not going to agree on everything here, and perhaps you are still feeling some type of way about that. I guess this where the debate becomes far less satisfying.

I never said prolonging the development would hurt the game, most in the thread are in agreement with that rational, heck I even stated it early on in the thread. More development time will always be a good thing. Most are upset that it's getting delayed because Sony's offerings are seen as pretty weak the rest of the year.
 
I never said prolonging the development would hurt the game, most in the thread are in agreement with that rational, heck I even stated it early on in the thread. More development time will always be a good thing. Most are upset that it's getting delayed because Sony's offerings are seen as pretty weak the rest of the year.
Then my message wasn't aimed at you. My point was aimed at those that may think so -- the headlines or those just in doubt, just to name a couple.

The way I see it, by the game getting delayed, this not only makes the game better, but because ND usually delivers most of the time, they are likely to go after those users anyway once the game releases. Its not like the holidays is the only time of the month to garner sales. Of course you sell a little more within a brief period but so what. If you have the content, you're going to get those consumers regardless. History has proven this many times over.
 
I don't see how UC would work with morpheus, VR doesn't seem like it'd be worth doing in a 3rd person game. This is ND's first game made from the ground up for the new hardware, TLOU wasn't released all that long ago and most of the staff was working on that, when they finished the PS3 version some of the staff had to work on the PS4 remaster so they haven't really had all of ND working on UC for all that long. I never believed it'd be out this fall, I hoped it would be but I never believed it based on the short dev time and ND sounding like they are being more ambitious with this game than previous UC titles.

I'd be very interested to see a TPS in VR. more as a way of just kind of being there, floating behind the action. You could still look around while the character retains his own vector. It would be hard to aim his weapons that way though. Still, even with the view tied to the cursor as normal, you would still have peripheral vision, and I image the immersion would be awesome!

They would have to massively decrease the visual fidelity though, and that would suck.
 
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I never said prolonging the development would hurt the game, most in the thread are in agreement with that rationale, heck I even stated it early on in the thread. More development time will always be a good thing. Most are upset that it's getting delayed because Sony's offerings are seen as pretty weak the rest of the year.

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I think we need to talk about your discrimination against 'e's . This is becoming a pattern.

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Had you been talking about some low level developer team, I'd agree with you. You should really check these guys history, and you I'll see what I am talking about.

I know about ND. Yes, they are an excellent developer. But so was Dreamworks back in the day.. look at them now. All I'm saying is that staff changes, production changes, management changes. ND may very well still produce a classic.. but I'm not going to assume it as some of you are doing.

Even the Witcher 3 (with it's numerous delays) is looking worse and worse as we see more footage.
 
I know about ND. Yes, they are an excellent developer. But so was Dreamworks back in the day.. look at them now. All I'm saying is that staff changes, production changes, management changes. ND may very well still produce a classic.. but I'm not going to assume it as some of you are doing.

Even the Witcher 3 (with it's numerous delays) is looking worse and worse as we see more footage.
LoL!

Ok. :txbsmile:
 
I know about ND. Yes, they are an excellent developer. But so was Dreamworks back in the day.. look at them now. All I'm saying is that staff changes, production changes, management changes. ND may very well still produce a classic.. but I'm not going to assume it as some of you are doing.

Even the Witcher 3 (with it's numerous delays) is looking worse and worse as we see more footage.

You know they purposely haven't shown The Witcher 3 on the highest settings, right? No Ultra settings or fancy Nvidia features.

They've been showing console level settings in gameplay for a long time now, even the PC version.
 
Fair enough Andy. :wink:

I personally think the delay, although a little bad, is going to resort to A LOT of good. ND has never failed to deliver. So its no question that the game is going to be a big hit. Personally, I'm equally eager to see these guys achieve the unthinkable, at least based on the headlines. :txbsmile:

Have you ever played Way of the Warrior?
 
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Have you ever played Way of the Warrior?
LoL! Oh you mean the dark ages BEFORE they had the financial backing and or was picked up by Sony. Well hell, I could say that for just about all of their studios and their competition, but I guess that would be too much right in that way to speak.

@ pravus

I could say the same about some of the best FPSs out there, but that don't make my opinion right, however. The numbers, fans and the reviews speak for themselves. So I don't think I need to tell you where you stand right now. From a unanimous point of view is where the decision lies in this regard.

Just a little food for thought.
 
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Yeah, I'm well aware that my opinion isn't universal. I also didn't like TLoU, I'm damn near a heretic in most peoples eyes.

I did love Uncharted 2 though, thought the graphics and vision in TLoU were good, story, while mostly borrowed; would've made a really good movie adaption.
 
LoL! Oh you mean the dark ages BEFORE they had the financial backing and or was picked up by Sony. Well hell, I could say that for just about all of their studios and their competition, but I guess that would be too much right in that way to speak.

@ pravus

I could say the same about some of the best FPSs out there, but that don't make my opinion right, however. The numbers, fans and the reviews speak for themselves. So I don't think I need to tell you where you stand right now. From a unanimous point of view is where the decision lies in this regard.

Just a little food for thought.

Shawn, bro...you take this way too seriously.

I was joking about Way of the Warrior. I know that was ND's first game ever.
 
No way. I loved Way of the Warrior on my 3DO.

The joke was that I had to go all the way back to ND's beginnings to find a questionable product.
Since then, how does ND's record look? How does this concern them now?

Like i said earlier, what you presented, I could say for just about any developer Sony has, and I could even go further by saying the same about their competition. How is this relevant in anyway to what these studios have become NOW? By your logic, if they were a certain way then, they are still that way now.

Basically put, you are reaching to make a point that is completely irrelevant.