Which 4K HDR TV are you planning to buy for Scorpio or One s?
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Im going to have to disagree. HDR is definitely better than full array backlit, imo. Sure you get better blacks, but HDR has a greater impact, imo.
I'd also say to make sure the display is nano crystal(for LEDs, anyway) which would be SUHD or Tri-Luminance for Samsung and Sony, respectively. Not sure what other brands call 'em. I'd personally put color range above the deepest blacks. It's not like the blacks aren't good.
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If you ghave the money, you can go with the samsung 9000 which is full array and should have the Sammy bennies. Of course, that series is like, six grand...
Yeah that's waaaay too much lol, plus the smallest one in that series is 55 inch and this is for a bedroom that's not all that big so it would probably be too big. I have a 44 inch in here right now and while it's just about the right size I'm willing to go up to 50 but that'd be about it.
Eh.
"The Samsung UN65KS8000 is easily the 65 inch TV we recommended the most due to its spectacular picture quality, good price point and versatility. It has a picture quality virtually similar to the pricier Samsung UN65KS9500, so this cheaper UN65KS8000 is a much better deal. Movies, and especially HDR, offers a very bright and colorful picture while video games feels very responsive with a very low input lag of 20.9 ms. The TV does justice to sports as well and can keep up with even the fastest plays. For most people, this is the TV to buy in 65 inch."
-rtings.com
The Sammy edges out the P series here. Sum of its parts and all that. Not sure about the smaller ones as this was the category I was buying in.
"The Samsung UN65KS8000 is easily the 65 inch TV we recommended the most due to its spectacular picture quality, good price point and versatility. It has a picture quality virtually similar to the pricier Samsung UN65KS9500, so this cheaper UN65KS8000 is a much better deal. Movies, and especially HDR, offers a very bright and colorful picture while video games feels very responsive with a very low input lag of 20.9 ms. The TV does justice to sports as well and can keep up with even the fastest plays. For most people, this is the TV to buy in 65 inch."
-rtings.com
The Sammy edges out the P series here. Sum of its parts and all that. Not sure about the smaller ones as this was the category I was buying in.
what games were they using to test HDR mode ? Didn't know there were any HDR games available yet or was this done by hooking a pc to the tv ? When i just googled it there was no mention of any game engine being coded with HDR yet.
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Sorry but I returned the p-series because there was no HDR in game mode so the input lag while gaming was over 100ms and the picture was not bright enough for me. I bought the samsung KS8500 curved 65in and could not be happier the picture just pops and HDR in game at 20ms is awesome, its the better TV. So in my opinion Ks8500>vizio. Also the curved is amazing for gaming just play forza and see. Simply amazing
Spec wise this is a fact.
From the Edge Lit KS8500 to the Full Array KS9800.
The Vizio P series has em beat and is much cheaper.
I disagree since I had both in my house. Samsung makes a better product and the Fact that the HDR was not working in gamemode is a big turn ofg for me. But you will probably disagree with that as well.
Looks like the only HDMI input that gives low latency in the Vizio P series is also the one that doesn't allow HDR, at least according to this review.
This is from the rtings.com review for the P series.
Input lag is great. For best results, use HDMI5 with 'Game Low Latency' on. Shown below are the results for combinations of HDMI ports, HDR vs SDR, 'Game low latency' (GLL) and 'Active LED' (ALED).
HDMI HDR GLL ALED Input Lag (ms)
1 HDR On On 65.2
1 HDR On Off 62.1
1 HDR Off On 157.2
1 HDR Off Off 154.5
1 SDR On On 38.0
1 SDR On Off 37.2
1 SDR Off On 113.0
1 SDR Off Off 112.4
5 SDR On On 19.7
5 SDR On Off 19.1
5 SDR Off On 94.6
5 SDR Off Off 94.3
From Vizio's product page.
HDMI Inputs
- HDMI Ports5 (2 side; 3 down)
- HDMI VersionPorts 1-4 support v2.0 (upgrade 2.0a coming soon); Port 5 supports v1.4
- HDCP VersionPorts 1- 4 supports: v2.2; Port 5 supports: v2.0
- HDMI 1-4 Tech Specs600MHz pixel clock rate: 2160p@60fps, 4:4:4, 8-bit | 2160p@60fps, 4:2:2, 12-bit
2160p@60fps, 4:2:0, 12-bit - HDMI 5 Tech Specs370MHz pixel clock rate: 2160p@60fps, 4:2:2, 8-bit | 2160p@60fps, 4:2:0, 10-bit
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The sets have been updated to HDMI 2.0a AFAIK plus I see no mention of the 1080p/120hz port(which is amazing for gaming)
Not sure what I said/you quoted has to do with this but ok.
Yeah not believing you had both in your house. Sorry
One set is full array with both dolby vision+standard HDR and can accept 120hz inputs.(ie great for gaming)
The other is Edge Lit which no matter how you slice it offers worse blacks,poor uniformity,clouding and bleeding in dark scenes that are a major issue for some and ALL are native to the tech. Also AFAIK none of the Sammy sets offer dolby vision HDR which is the most advanced form of HDR.
So yeah spec wise its a fact that the P series is more advanced and don't make me mention the R series!
I don't agree with Samsung making a better quality either..(used to be top tier to me)
In fact I haven't liked much from Sammy in a long time with the most recent being the UHDBR player I own from them.
But this is opinion
What hes saying and I have been saying is that there is no HDR in game mode. And to use HDR your input lag greatly increases. Just read the site I gave a link to above. Jesus
Dont Care you believe me or not Im stating my opinon I bought one did not like so I exchanged it for ks8500 and love it. End of story
I was reading Neogaf and there was a twitter debate between devs about 4k or 1080p for scorpio, they seemed more interested in the possibilities at maxxed out 1080p vs the 4k option.
6tf wasn't really enough to allocate resources. It would work, but not enough. But then again, devs are full of s*** half the time right
6tf wasn't really enough to allocate resources. It would work, but not enough. But then again, devs are full of s*** half the time right
As expected....How about some screens? Some screens of the set in a lit setting would be great and some in the dark with a black background with a logo or text be even better
But there is FULL ARRAY
Unless a person doesn't care IMAGE quality.
Also I see no mentions of the 1080p/120hz input mode
Im at work but will upload pics later tonight for you!As expected....How about some screens? Some screens of the set in a lit setting would be great and some in the dark with a black background with a logo or text be even better
I thought you were saying you didn't believe him that this was how the set up worked, I see in another post you said you don't believe he had both sets so I apologize lol.
Well for gaming the 1080p/120hz port would help GREATLY with reducing input lag.
That is the res we will be playing with these new consoles anyway.
I expect 1080p/60fps across the board with both.
Yeah they had that twitter convo up again with the devs talking about how 4K is a waste on console given the distance people sit from TV's while playing. I know I for one would like the devs to focus on LOD, AA and framerate before worrying about getting it above 1080p.
If you are talking about the HDMI 5 input yeah that's the one to use, unfortunately using HDR is a problem there and a lot of peole seem pretty excited about that as a new feature. The Samsung lets you use HDR in game mode and it barely increases the lag at all, with the Vizio if you want HDR in games you are kind of screwed.
Back to what I was saying....
Edge Lit is a deal breaker with HDR or not. If you care about PQ?
Me personally PQ comes 1st I couldn't see myself spending thousands on a non Full Array LED/LCD.
Again we won't be playing much 4K on these consoles but we will be watching 4K content.
Dude, he is a full array zealot. The only time I've been less than impressed with my tv is if it's a fully black screen. If you look at the rtings site they give the nod to Samsung, though it's biggest hit does come from less ideal local dimming. Nano crystal displays with HDR > than just great local dimming, apparently. Being able to use hdr with gaming should help a lot, I hope. I do know that watching hdr content is pretty spectacular compared to standard 4k.
Or you can go with Val's obviously still awesome choice. Val does seem to go whole hog with his preferences, though.
It seems that if you are torn, you'd just have to try and do a side by side. Not being able to use a cool feature like hdr for games is a shame though.
A lot of what we'll be watching will be lower res stuff that's upscaled and the Samsung seems to do a better job of that than the Vizio as well. I have a feeling both sets will just be something that hold us over for a year or two until they get input latency sorted out with HDR on LED sets and improve it across the board with OLED's. Being that HDR is relatively new I hope that these manufacturers work harder to get this issue resolved quickly, it's a shame to ask people to pay $1000 or more for a tv and then not be able to use it's best features for all functions.