Everything that Microsoft announces is vivisected and roasted over a slow fire, whereas everything Sony announces is swallowed whole without a grain of salt. Oh yeah, same criteria.
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The kinect hate, & the MS hate have been overblown. Its just fanboys that try to justify why MS isn't doing as good as the competition, in my opinion.
The main reason for people not wanting Kinect is it cause X1 to cost more, & there is little contents for it. Would you want to pay 500 bucks for a Navigator with only map of your hometown? Now if the navigator have a wider coverage + some cool features, then people an warm up to it.
I know some people said they used it to Skype or like the voice command, so why not make it optional. People who love the kinect can continue to use it. This seems a reasonable request.
If MS wanted to justify Kinect in every box, then thy have to have much more content than currently, in my opinion.
The inventory that's claimed to be unsold have an immense amount of variables with the biggest one being consoles could be sold to retailers but they haven't reached the retailers yet. I'd a retailer places an order on the 27th they're not getting it that month and those retailer sales cannot be transferred to customer sales. All of this is a numbers game that means very little when both consoles are doing record breakingly well.I remember back in teh days.
but I think you mistaken intent. People are not trying to knock MS down, just the clear up that there is in fact a clear difference in figures between shipped & sold. When figure reached over 20 million or so, then the difference between sold to retailer & customers are close (by ratio), since there is only so much inventory space a store can hold.
But at the moment, with single digit million sales, the 0,9 million or so inventory space do make a difference. Beside whats the point of comparison when you do not use the same criteria for both sides.
Just saying.
Well yes and no, MS isn't really wanting to lose money on each box sold but they want kinect packed in, that alone is going to raise the price substantially.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...ll-be-break-even-or-profit-making-from-launch
Sony announced 7 million sold to customers, probably inflated a little. Did anyone contest this, quite a few actually, including some that say Sony is lying.
MS announced 5 million sold to retailers, probably inflated a little. Who is contesting this, no one here as far as I know.
So say, explain again, what have Sony announced that is swallow whole, & MS with grain of salt. Can you quote anyone?
Kinect should be optional, it raises the cost of the box and there is no real proof that people who buy the X1 actually want it because it's packed in automatically. Look at the PS4 camera, it's sold well but when compared to the 7 million in sales the console has enjoyed the 1 million camera sales don't really show that the majority of customers want a camera. Now I know the camera has been hard to find but let's be generous and say demand is twice as high as supply, that's still not even 1/3 of PS4 owners wanting a camera. I wouldn't be surprised to see it the same way on the Xbox side of things, I wonder how many people disconnected the kinect after the initial set up and just put it in a drawer somewhere?
No. We aren't saying MS is lying about 5 million shipped to retailers. What we're trying to distinguish here is that it's not 5 million sold to consumers. The sold through number is less than that, how much? Who knows, but it's substantial enough for MS to choose not to announce them. The problem here is that MS fans are using the 5 million shipped to compare with the 7 million sold through numbers of Sony. Some are saying Sony's lying about the 7 million numbers. Some are saying "5 million sold vs 7 million sold" which is wrong because you can't compare it in that sense, they're not the same numbers. Sony is selling everything they've shipped, MS is not, there's a clear distinction in the numbers.
You just did, how do you know they sold exactly 7 million to customers? Do they have 7 million receipts posted somewhere?
Just saying.
No one, despite what some people said, no one here is dismissing the sales of both consoles. But since you mention, numbers games don't matter, then whats the point of comparison thread. You are the boss, you can killed it.
But if we wanted to do a proper estimation & comparison , the we need to put emotion aside & lay out whats available, & then calculate a reasonable estimation.
But like I said, its your call. If you think its meaningless, then kill it with the magic lock.
Its an estimation, just like MS number is an estimation, both probably inflated. So both should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they cancel each other out. Unless of course, someone claim that Sony vastly inflated theirs, & MS deflated their data.
There's still reason to discuss it. Just because I said it's really meaningless doesn't mean it can't, or shouldn't, be discussed. It's meaningless to every single person on these forums because nobody here owns stock in either one of the companies except for probably a half a handful of people. I own Apple stock so I have a reason for them to do well. I don't own Microsoft or Sony stock so how many consoles each sells has nada to do with me. Come to think of it, I may have some Microsoft stock in a mutual fund. GO MICROSOFT!No one, despite what some people said, no one here is dismissing the sales of both consoles. But since you mention, numbers games don't matter, then whats the point of comparison thread. You are the boss, you can killed it.
But if we wanted to do a proper estimation & comparison , the we need to put emotion aside & lay out whats available, & then calculate a reasonable estimation.
But like I said, its your call. If you think its meaningless, then kill it with the magic lock.
Its all for fun sake, (until some people get personally that is). The same reason why people talk about movies, after seeing them. Its also meaningless if you think about it. I do not talk about acting or script of a movie, but I can understand people who do.
Let's reflect on the phenomenal success of the 360 from all the sales gathered from Microsoft's earnings reports. Does anyone know why MS has a different financial year calender to everyone else?
360 had a slow start, the Xbox One is crushing it.
360 had a slow start, the Xbox One is crushing it.
I think 360 have supply issues. But good info nevertheless. I think everyone agrees X1 does fanastic.Let's reflect on the phenomenal success of the 360 from all the sales gathered from Microsoft's earnings reports. Does anyone know why MS has a different financial year calender to everyone else?
360 had a slow start, the Xbox One is crushing it.
It's a lot easier to know exactly how many units manufactured and shipped, than it is to know how many units are sold through, yet Sony never provides the number of units shipped which they would know exactly.
I don't know. Do you have a copy of everyone elses?Let's reflect on the phenomenal success of the 360 from all the sales gathered from Microsoft's earnings reports. Does anyone know why MS has a different financial year calender to everyone else?
360 had a slow start, the Xbox One is crushing it.
Agree. It's intellectually dishonest to ignore the difference, after it has repeatedly been pointed out, explained, is simple to understand, and is something that is widely known and reported.
Here's the Wii, nothing else has come close to it at its peak...
Look at that drop off, though!
Charted on a graph, that's a nosedive.Here's the Wii, nothing else has come close to it at its peak...
Look at that drop off, though!
Here's the Wii
Look at that drop off!
That install base though, sure MS and Sony would have had a similar drop off if they sold that much in their 1st 4 years.
Is that a comment on my post?
You said it right after my post, with no other context. So that would be my assumption. Please clarify.
You totally missed the point. Can you find a single person in here that cares that Microsoft is using sold in numbers? No one cares. What people are finding bothersome is some people are comparing that to sold through to consumer numbers as if they are the same thing. As Anderson said, it's intellectually dishonest. Heck I'll go as far as to say it's just plain dishonest.
It's funny that we keep posting about this but instead of agreeing with us and supporting an intellectually honest conversation, you just go on to cheer Microsoft and go off on a tangent as if we are hating on Microsoft. It just goes to show that posting here is a team sport apparently.
There are plenty of negative things at this point you can say towards them, but what's the use, you won't listen. No matter how many of us prior 360 fans say we don't want Kinect AT ALL, and we don't like paying more money for weaker hardware, it falls on deaf ears for some of you guys. At least Microsoft appears to be listening with the recent price drops, bundles, and new tools to try and get the power up. It's just a matter of time before they remove Kinect from the box too.
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I had ZERO problems with the DRM. It benefitted me greatly. It wasn't nonsense for me in the least. Kinect is of little consequence to me since I use it extensively.
So the negatives you can think of, and are clinging to are Kinect and it's priced more? Still? It's no different than having to pay hundreds more for Bluray. You either do it or you don't. The price eventually drops. It's a non-issue. The system will eventually reach everyone's price point just how every other system has in the past. So you're mad, and others are, because Microsoft's price of the Xbox One isn't what you want it to be?
Yes, I totally went off on a tangent. If you consider that a tangent.
The hating on Microsoft has to do with people posting gifs, pics, etc. towards Microsoft because they didn't eclipse Sony's sales not the hating on the numbers.
Why shouldn't I, or anybody else, cheer Microsoft for breaking their sales record in the same what people are cheering Sony for breaking their records? So let's not cheer Microsoft for their record sales but praise Sony for their sales? That's what we should be doing?
I know what Microsoft's sales are. They're less than five million. I don't care about the exact number. Just like I don't care that Sony's are around seven million. They're both doing fantastic. That benefits console gaming across the board.
I would just love for you, as the site owner and main moderator, to just once say that the people comparing the sold in numbers to the sold through numbers directly are being dishonest. Call them out. I mean it is flat out dishonest so what's the point of debating with people that do that and keeping the thread open. That's all I think most of us are saying the past couple pages. Can you do that?
Guys, take it to PM please or I will have to ban you both... oh.
I'm not sure why anybody is disagreeing with the 4-4.5 million sold to CONSUMERS. This should be common sense. I'm not sure why you even had to ask me to say this. I thought it was understood when I said "under five million"?
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