This discussion is going in circles. No one is saying that shipped equals sold to consumers. And PR departments are going to PR.
It was said by masters and quoted from green. It was said and questioned. So, we can't say "no one" was saying it.This discussion is going in circles. No one is saying that shipped equals sold to consumers. And PR departments are going to PR.
I'm sure they have some great sales data and tracking, but we never get wind of that stuff.Doesn't matter what numbers are used. Sold through are Estimates. Not every where gives sales feedback. Sony's might be a little closer to reality given they were selling out every where, but still, they're estimates. Lets face it, stores are not going to keep buying stock from MS & Sony unless they are selling them.
In the end though this is moot and pointless. It is only 5 months since launch. we have another 5-9 years of sales to go.
I'm sure they have some great sales data and tracking, but we never get wind of that stuff.
Yeah, not everything is actually tracked by NPD. I'd assume Sony would just go by how many they have sent out basically. Maybe all retailers don't have to give out what they actually sell? Not sure on those. Retailers obviously order games and will order more based on how many they have sold and how many they have left. I'm not sure how stores they guage new releases and quantities Probably why pre-order data is important.I'm sure they do, but if you aren't getting exact numbers from retailers then they have to estimate. Europe is well known to have many parts that do not give sale feedback or do not have companies that track sales Data in them. Aren't NPD also estimated ? If I recall correct they do not track Toys R us for example, or plenty of other places.
For gamers, it is more academic, but sales figures are important for investors & publishers.Doesn't matter what numbers are used. Sold through are Estimates. Not every where gives sales feedback. Sony's might be a little closer to reality given they were selling out every where, but still, they're estimates. Lets face it, stores are not going to keep buying stock from MS & Sony unless they are selling them.
In the end though this is moot and pointless. It is only 5 months since launch. we have another 5-9 years of sales to go.
PS1 - 102 Million
N64 - 33 Million
Saturn - 9.5 Million
Total - 114.5 Million
PS2 - 155 Million
Xbox - 24 Million
Gamecube - 22 Million
Dreamcast - 10.5 Million
Total - 221.5 Million
Wii - 100 Million
360 - 83 + Million
PS3 - 83 + Million
Total - 266 + Million
Will the Wii U end up selling the same as Gamecube or N64?
Will that PS2 number ever be matched?
Can PS4 and X1 sustain their momentum?
Why on Earth did I buy a Saturn instead of a Playstation? (Sega Rally + VF2, I guess)
Happy Easter everyone, enjoy some Cadbury Creme Eggs.
PS1 - 102 Million
Will the Wii U end up selling the same as Gamecube or N64?
Will that PS2 number ever be matched?
Can PS4 and X1 sustain their momentum?
Why on Earth did I buy a Saturn instead of a Playstation? (Sega Rally + VF2, I guess)
Happy Easter everyone, enjoy some Cadbury Creme Eggs.
It doesn't really matter, they're way ahead, any way you look at it.And why should we trust Microsoft then, if we aren't going to trust Sony?
For all we know, these 'shipped' consoles could be sitting at a MS warehouse for several weeks before they are actually in stores. I'm not saying that's true, I don't believe that.
But if you are going to be skeptical of Sony's numbers, you should also be skeptical of Microsoft's.
Also, you say Sony's numbers are a guesstimation. Why would the actual numbers have to be lower? For all we know, it could be higher and may be closer to 7.1 mil sold through.
It doesn't really matter, they're way ahead, any way you look at it.
Time for a complete reassessment of their marketing strategy.Time for that price drop to happen!
Time for a complete reassessment of their marketing strategy.
Microsoft has always excelled at fielding and fixing faulty products. They use first adopters as a test bed for their software/hardware in the real world and in real time, and it's a method that works rather well for them. I think they borrowed it from government contractors.
Technically, any video game that requires patching fits the definition of faulty.lol, are you implying TF is a faulty product?
Technically, any video game that requires patching fits the definition of faulty.
It was said by masters and quoted from green. It was said and questioned. So, we can't say "no one" was saying it.
I'll have to go back and read McNasty's posts. He's saying sold through to customers is the same as shipped?
He's pretty much implying his guess of TF pushing X1 to 5.2-5.5 million sales was "close" because MS announced 5 million shipped to retailers.
(When PS3 was "slightly" behind 360 even with a year late on market and costing more....massive failure. XB1 unable to beat out PS4 in NA which is their biggest market with the biggest hyped released of TF....not a big deal, ok being second....lol)
not only in hardware sales, but 3rd party exclusives, and game sales as well. Which is what is bad for us in the end.You have to put into factor though each one of those console's predecessors.
The Xbox 360 did very well but it didn't completely stomp its competition. The PS2 on the other hand did though which thus made the drop from PS2 --> PS3 more of a "failure".
I'm curious as to how May and June's NPD will look like since Watch Dogs and TLoU will be dropping then. Should increase sales a bit more since if I remember correctly, Sony has exclusive promotion/marketing for Watch Dogs?
You have to put into factor though each one of those console's predecessors.
The Xbox 360 did very well but it didn't completely stomp its competition. The PS2 on the other hand did though which thus made the drop from PS2 --> PS3 more of a "failure".
Yeah...no, I don't buy that sorry excuse that many try to push on people.
1. When the PS2 came out, there really wasn't anything to compete with PS2 that offered for the most part, the same multiplats.
2. When the PS2 came out, it was fairly affordable compared to competitors
3. PS2 sales were an anamoly. Check the sale of pretty much most consoles in history, and you'll see that PS2 sales didn't represent the norm.
You can't "expect" the PS3 to have sold the same as PS2 when considering the above.
Look at the PS3 on it's own merits, and stop comparing it to previous playstations. The PS3 came out a year later while another similar console was out. The PS3 came out at a higher price point. The PS3 still managed to end last year selling about as much as 360s, with a year less out on the market and costing more.....during a generation when gamers swore up and down that they would never catch up.
XB1 on the flip side, is losing steam in the one market that they should be ahead of Sony....AND, they lost steam during a month that they released their over hyped game. That speaks volumns, as that most likely means that in the next few months, they will lose steam some more.
Yes, compared to initial 360 sales, the XB1 is doing better, but they're losing steam too quick right now.
Will you (say) the XB1 a massive failure if they continue to lose steam this year?
Yeah...no, I don't buy that sorry excuse that many try to push on people.
1. When the PS2 came out, there really wasn't anything to compete with PS2 that offered for the most part, the same multiplats.
2. When the PS2 came out, it was fairly affordable compared to competitors
3. PS2 sales were an anamoly. Check the sale of pretty much most consoles in history, and you'll see that PS2 sales didn't represent the norm.
You can't "expect" the PS3 to have sold the same as PS2 when considering the above. Look at the PS3 on it's own merits, and stop comparing it to previous playstations. The PS3 came out a year later while another similar console was out. The PS3 came out at a higher price point. The PS3 still managed to end last year selling about as much as 360s, with a year less out on the market and costing more.....during a generation when gamers swore up and down that they would never catch up.
In the end, the PS3 was not a "massive" failure as many were claiming.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. The PS2 crushed the competition...because there wasn't competition that was on par to the PS2, not in terms of offering the same games. What I'm saying though, is that you can't compare the PS3 sales to PS2 sales because the PS3 DID have competition, and had comp from a console that was out a whole year, was cheaper, and had better versions of the games. That's why I say to judge PS3 on it's own merits, compare it's sales to 360. Don't compare to PS2, because PS2 was a whole different monster, during a different time, different conditions, different offerings by competitors, etc.What? Excuse? What excuse? It's a fact. The PS2 absolutely crushed the competition.
It has a lot to do with everything if you're going to try and compare PS2 sales to PS3 sales.I don't see what any of that has to do with the great success of the PS2. The PS2 was very hard to find at launch + the majority of sales of the PS2 came AFTER the Xbox and Gamecube launched, therefore the system maintain its great appeal years after it originally launched. I mean, if anything the PS2's launch period was the worse time for the Ps2 since there weren't that many games for the system and was at the time known for being the cheapest DVD player. It wasn't until after 2001 that the ball got rolling with the system crushing the competition when it came to game library (which was far more diverse than what the Xbox and Gamecube offered).
And the PS3 did do very well. Again, different times, different conditions, different gaming era, different gamer base, etc. You do know that many of those PS2 gamers are no longer gamers...right?I don't think anyone thought it would sell the same as the PS2. I didn't even say that in my post. However, people DID NOT expect the PS3 to have such a huge drop in comparison to the PS2. The Xbox brand still wasn't that popular back in 2005/2006, the Gamecube was pretty much phased out at that point, and the Wii was the butt of many jokes from (hard)core gamers. The Playstation brand was in fantastic shape during that time. So yeah, people expected the PS3 to do very well.
It sure has sold more....but it's also losing steam a whole lot quicker. 360 continued to gain momentum as the years went on, XB1 came out with a bang, but interest seems to be waning. It couldn't even beat out PS4 in it's primary territory during a very major game release.But the Xbox One is selling greater in hardware and software than its predecessor. The PS3 didn't do that... mainly because of its higher price vs. the competition at the time of its release. The gap between the Xbox One and PS4 in America is smaller than the gap was during the first year of the PS3's life vs. the Xbox 360 in America... mainly because the Xbox 360 came out first. Also remember, back in 2005/2006 the Playstation brand was far more popular in North America than the Xbox brand. The Xbox brand didn't become identified with North America until around 2008/2009.
Come on man....it's losing steam. It only sold a bit more than in Feb because of TF....but not even close to selling what it really should have. That minor bump during a major release....dude, in context....How is the XB1 losing steam? The system didn't sell more than the PS4 last month with the release of Titanfall, but the system DID sell more in March than it did in February and in February it sold more than it did in January. The sales have been increasing each month so I don't see how that's "losing steam".
Fair enough, but I know it was a popular war cry from xbox fans for quite some time, despite PS3 end the generation with about the same PS3s sold as 360, which tells us that PS3s actually sold more per year than 360.1. I never called the PS3 a "failure". I put that statement in quotes in my original post since I was replying to the narrative that people gave the system during it's early life.
It's losing steam in regards to losing ground in it's primary territory. XB1 should have owned March with the release of TF. I don't care that Xb1 sold a bit better in march than in Feb....it should have owned March.....they should have done so easily.2. As I pretty much said above, it's a bit strange to say that a system is "losing steam" when yet the sales of the said system have been increasing every month this year so far. In what world is a minimum of 100,000 more consoles sold each month "losing steam"?