Project Scorpio
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Your game purchase will follow your gamertag. If you buy it on X1 you can play it on Scorpio too. And if your buy the disc version you'll be able to use the same disc on all the Xbox devices. It will scale to the device.
I dont care about resolution but i have reäd mixed things today. I will buy a Scorpio if I can expect a true next gen system regardless if the games are 1080p or up
Looking from a positive POV...this is a huge step in the right direction.
Scorpio is essentially going to be the first and last console for MS. If it's a hit the only change will be upgrades every 4-5 years which is more than fine with me. I hated the 7-10 year cycle we had because 4 years in you're starting to look outdated at least that's how I felt about it. And the solution they came up with is the best decision they could've made. For the existing owners nothing will change you can still play the games for people who want to get that upgrade they can go ahead. You can game on PC and buy those games and also get the Xbox versions free or vice versa. That's HUGE imo. That whole ecosystem is the way forward. For example I'm not a PC gamer but if I one day decide to get a gaming PC I can play so many games there too from my xbox collection. I won't have to buy the PC versions of those games. That's an insane advantage MS has.
My only criticism are the lack of great games. They need to work hard on that. This gen MS has had a lot of ok to good games no great one. Sony didn't have a lot of good games but they've had a couple great games. Those make the difference. Xbox had that with 360 but they haven't this gen. It's all good but not ''OMG'' good. Their effort to branch out and add diversity is applaudable but none are great then it won't do what they hope it would do. To give an example look at this last E3. For me Forza H3 was astonishing maybe best thing about this entire E3 in terms of games but you FH3 aside you look at Gears meh, you look at Recore which I was so hyped for and ....it's not bad but it didn't excite me much was rather slightly disappointed, Scalebound was also slightly disappointing none of the games gave me that feeling the way Sony did with their E3. With Scorpio they need to look what Sony did learn from it but improve on it. There are some studios that should get more love and priority over others. Playground games is a great example. My friend who never owned an xbox looked at this trailer and almost shed a tear from joy and wants it desperately. But that's just 1 game from an entire E3. My point is more focus on GREAT games not just good games.
Scorpio is essentially going to be the first and last console for MS. If it's a hit the only change will be upgrades every 4-5 years which is more than fine with me. I hated the 7-10 year cycle we had because 4 years in you're starting to look outdated at least that's how I felt about it. And the solution they came up with is the best decision they could've made. For the existing owners nothing will change you can still play the games for people who want to get that upgrade they can go ahead. You can game on PC and buy those games and also get the Xbox versions free or vice versa. That's HUGE imo. That whole ecosystem is the way forward. For example I'm not a PC gamer but if I one day decide to get a gaming PC I can play so many games there too from my xbox collection. I won't have to buy the PC versions of those games. That's an insane advantage MS has.
My only criticism are the lack of great games. They need to work hard on that. This gen MS has had a lot of ok to good games no great one. Sony didn't have a lot of good games but they've had a couple great games. Those make the difference. Xbox had that with 360 but they haven't this gen. It's all good but not ''OMG'' good. Their effort to branch out and add diversity is applaudable but none are great then it won't do what they hope it would do. To give an example look at this last E3. For me Forza H3 was astonishing maybe best thing about this entire E3 in terms of games but you FH3 aside you look at Gears meh, you look at Recore which I was so hyped for and ....it's not bad but it didn't excite me much was rather slightly disappointed, Scalebound was also slightly disappointing none of the games gave me that feeling the way Sony did with their E3. With Scorpio they need to look what Sony did learn from it but improve on it. There are some studios that should get more love and priority over others. Playground games is a great example. My friend who never owned an xbox looked at this trailer and almost shed a tear from joy and wants it desperately. But that's just 1 game from an entire E3. My point is more focus on GREAT games not just good games.
Phil said somewhere that most games incl third party games are allerede been made on 4K pc rigs.
So PC and Scorpio will be lead platforms for most games.
And then scaled down to X1. It will be the most logic choice bco PC and the Xbox devices are all DX12.
Forza Motorsport 7 will be 4k/60 that's for sure. Turn10 has been involved in choosin the silicon for Scorpio. And I'm sure it will be a showcase title next year at e3.
Phil did contradict himself. I think the challenge in messaging is a combination of not alienating current Xbox One gamers, making the S seem appealing, and not over-promising results upon release. The best way to do that is tell people to buy the Scorpio only if they're interested in 4k.
It's not going to be difficult for developers to have 4K resolution available for Scorpio games they're currently developing. Scaling up the rest of the graphics is more of a challenge and probably won't be seen much at Scorpio release. Over time, it's hard to imagine that the Scorpio and Neo won't get some of the same graphic choices that PC gamers get.
I predict for the first 6 months the only real benefit of Scorpio will be resolution and more vibrant color pallets. E3 2018 MS will announce that customers have spoken and they are listening...and will take advantage of Scorpio in other ways.
The first 6 months of any new console you barely see the technology utilized so it's a fine message right now. 4K is a significant benefit for gamers with high end TVs. I'd prefer 1080P with other graphical improvements and I'm guessing that will eventually happen. Problem that MS and Phil have to balance is the message for start of Scorpio's life will be different from the message a year later.
It's not going to be difficult for developers to have 4K resolution available for Scorpio games they're currently developing. Scaling up the rest of the graphics is more of a challenge and probably won't be seen much at Scorpio release. Over time, it's hard to imagine that the Scorpio and Neo won't get some of the same graphic choices that PC gamers get.
I predict for the first 6 months the only real benefit of Scorpio will be resolution and more vibrant color pallets. E3 2018 MS will announce that customers have spoken and they are listening...and will take advantage of Scorpio in other ways.
The first 6 months of any new console you barely see the technology utilized so it's a fine message right now. 4K is a significant benefit for gamers with high end TVs. I'd prefer 1080P with other graphical improvements and I'm guessing that will eventually happen. Problem that MS and Phil have to balance is the message for start of Scorpio's life will be different from the message a year later.
Oc Scorpio will envolve. Ppl will soon demand an extra hi-res texture pack. At e3 2018 extra hi-res texture packs will be announced as an optional download.
This way all games can still run at all Xbox devices but Scorpio users get an extra option.
Just my 5c
I think you're spot on there. At first, they won't want to have og X1owners feel like they're getting a game that looks considerably worse texture and lighting wise so games will get the high res treatment. As time goes by though and more gamers pick up the Scorpio, devs will want there games to look as good as they possibly can. I for one hope to see them use a good percentage of the power for better textures and lighting. I'm fine with devs up scaling to 4k from 1080p.
Someone suggested that they will have adjustable settings like PC. I see that as a viable option as well. Devs can still create games for Scorpio and state that every game is still available on the One and the S together.
I still think we'll see a $399 console so the adoption rate escalates quickly. That way we can nudge the conversion along.
That's the beauty of the plan...
-buy it once, play the first level on your Xboner S in the living room
-finish the game at work on your beast rig while you're supposed to be working
-play some multiplayer while you're waiting in the airport lobby on your laptop
-finish up some of your Co-op achievements at your friends house on his Xbox Scorpio....
All with one purchase.
Sounds awful, right? No exclusive amcry
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Some pertinent info CNET links to on most of their 4K discussions. They put far more importance on HDR than 4K in general.
http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
In 2016 as high dynamic range and wide color gamut material appears on UltraHD Blu-ray, high-end 4K sets will start to have a bigger benefit. This is not because those TVs have more pixels, but because those pixels can go brighter and display more colors than the pixels on a 1080p display. If you gave these features to a 1080p display like the LG OLED (which you can on the $3,000 UltraHD LG 55EF9500
) then you'd see even more benefit. Better quality pixels will make a more visible difference than just having more pixels will.
http://referencehometheater.com/2013/commentary/4k-calculator/
In 2016 as high dynamic range and wide color gamut material appears on UltraHD Blu-ray, high-end 4K sets will start to have a bigger benefit. This is not because those TVs have more pixels, but because those pixels can go brighter and display more colors than the pixels on a 1080p display. If you gave these features to a 1080p display like the LG OLED (which you can on the $3,000 UltraHD LG 55EF9500
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Not many high quality 1080p sets are made anymore most are super thin edge lit junk ALL known manufacturers HQ sets and flagship sets are 4K.(only vizio is making a few Full Array 1080p sets) I just bought my son a 50 inch 4K HDR set on sale at best buy for $499.
4K sets are hitting homes fast and the only issue with 4K has been the lack of content which is greatly improving(Netflix,Vudu,Amazon Prime and UHDBR to name a few cover the movie watching part) with the exception of gaming formats that haven't had the horsepower to run it. The 6TF of the Scorpio will make 4K *cough* 60fps gaming possible no not all games will be 60fps but many will be and for comparison sake...my PC does 4K/60fps maxed for many games and some new like Overwatch for example and my GPU is a little under 6TF.
Ok I am done rambling about this
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Listening to the cast. These guys say the Scorpio will have better specs than what is known, next year.
Still listening though...
EDIT: saying the Scorpio will be at least $500 to $600. Not sure about that though. $500 and up, is ghost town.
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In the beginning of the video if you pause in the first few seconds, where it's a bit blurry, that guy in the middle looks like my clone. Not so much later when it clears up and the angles change.
You should expect $500 at least. Don't f*** up your expectations by thinking it's going to launch for $350 or something.
$350? No way. I stl believe MS is dead set on reclaiming the throne, and I think in order for them to do that (aside from being the most powerful) is to create hard hitting IPs, play the long game, bite the bullet and take the loss on hardware for a bit, which I believe they plan to do.
I disagree with this statement. Currently, most UHD movies are derived from a 2K intermediate, but even if they were true 4K masters, you'd still get a 2K downscale with regular Blu-ray, since that is what the studio would do, and do it better than your hardware could. You also would get none of the HDR benefit. Just saying.
Now future-proofing your movie collection is actually one reason that does make sense, IMO.
Halo 5 has dynamic resolution. I have to wonder if this was one of the reasons MS has been pushing for that standard. ??? Maybe all the dynamic res games will automatically scale to the highest possible res automatically, independent of hardware?
Edit: Yeah, I got a little excited and didn't really see the confirmation of what I just speculated.
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I don't think MS has settled on price yet. They have the luxury of waiting for Sony to announce the Neo price. It's likely they'll match or at least come w/in $50 of it. There's some thought MS may take some loss on this one because they know they'll win the multiplat purchases back. My prediction is $500 but if Neo comes in at $400, Scorpio will either match or split the difference. The S model will still sell a lot in late 2017. MS will stay serious about the S being a major option and that's why Spencer is still pushing it as the better value if you have a 1080P TV.
I believe they already confirmed that dynamic res games would hit their top resolution consistently on Scorpio. Halo 5 should maintain it's 1080P all the way through if you play it on Scorpio.
...and yes, it makes sense why this has been a thing. Lock the FPS and scale the resolution anywhere between 900P and 4K. I wouldn't be surprised to see some games locked at 60 FPS scale resolution between 2k and 4k depending on how intensive the scene is on Scorpio. I think that would be great if it became the norm for developers to lock frame rate at 60 fps and just let res scale. I don't think most gamers would notice if res dipped below 4k.
I believe they already confirmed that dynamic res games would hit their top resolution consistently on Scorpio. Halo 5 should maintain it's 1080P all the way through if you play it on Scorpio.
...and yes, it makes sense why this has been a thing. Lock the FPS and scale the resolution anywhere between 900P and 4K. I wouldn't be surprised to see some games locked at 60 FPS scale resolution between 2k and 4k depending on how intensive the scene is on Scorpio. I think that would be great if it became the norm for developers to lock frame rate at 60 fps and just let res scale. I don't think most gamers would notice if res dipped below 4k.
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I would love adjustable settings!
For one, I personally love S3D, but this feature is only available for PC games. What if I preferred 1080p/60 3D over 4K? We only ever got weak 720p/30 stuff last gen. It partially failed mass-market because the content sucked. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but I wish they had more PC features like that for consoles. I want my niche! PC gamers have it, darn it!
Yeah, I noticed that they confirmed what I just speculated after reading a bit more into it. This is very exciting! At least some already released games will benefit! Others with an unstable framerate should also naturally increase to the higher plateau. This is a pretty big deal all around!
I wonder if any devs would care to release a 1080p or higher patch for older 720p or 900p native games? I guess it depends on the developer, and if the industry moves away from the remaster model that they seem to still be engaged in.
Along those same lines, I'd love it if Turn 10 opened up the frame rate of FH2 and FH3 to solid 60 instead of solid 30.
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