The Xbox Onesie
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List warz!
https://www.toptengamer.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-vs-pc-games/
No contest.
Sony didn't release "a few good games" the first months of the year. They released 5. More than MS released all last year. Sony's lineup in mid-year was strong, imo, with two of the best games of the year (Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted 4). Meanwhile MS had what? Nothing I can recall until, as usual, the holidays, which they crowd all their games into, then release little or nothing outside of that. MS "killed it" during the holiday season by releasing Gears and Forza -- well-scoring games, but the franchises they are being criticized for relying on too heavily. They need more variety. Sony's release schedule is full of variety.
Don was a misunderstood genius. That's what he tells himself, anyhow, while playing Kinectimals in the basement of his 25 million dollar mansion.
Your anecdotal evidence doesn't really indicate a whole lot with regard to here, let alone the "wider world" (isn't that cute).
Also, are we now to understand that you have intimate knowledge of Phil Spencer's plans and intention?
I was speaking of my personal experience, dummy. That's by nature anecdotal.
Yes, we're buds. He tells me everything.
Ah yes, because your personal experience is a broad enough scope to make sweeping statements about the discussion, but you exhibit very little flexibility to afford others their own perspectives based on personal experience. I don't really understand the lack of tolerance here. It's not like you support a piece of plastic. What's so threatening?
Also, "dummy"? Classy. Have you run out of things to intellectually offer the discussion then?
Correct as I stated above. Sony was dead last fall and winter with MS releasing Recore, Gears, Horizon and Dead Rising. The rest of us turned our PS4 back on in December finally for The Last Guardian.
MS schedule is full of variety and continues more so this year with rts Halo Wars 2, racer Forza 7, online open world Sea of Thieves, cross platform Gigantic, shooter Crackdown, Japanese favorite Phantom Dust HD, platformer Cuphead, Indies and puzzle games like Below, Ashen and Tacoma, Zombie coop game State of Decay 2.
I not only love the variety but those will back log me even more on top of the multiplats on top of Scorpio which will have the best looking and best performing versions as well.
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Sony doesn't have to do enough because the multiplayer arena is well covered. Sony are one of the devs to make only single player games, every other company is going games as a service or predominantly multiplayer. It will stand out like a sore thumb next year and in 2019 when God Of War, Spiderman, Days Gone are basically a few of the only single player games left. Everyone is doing games as a service and Microsoft jumping on the bandwagon is not going to differentiate them from everybody else.
Microsoft isn't jumping on the bandwagon. They started the bandwagon. Single player games will still exist within GAAS just like they did for previous Microsoft GAAS games.
Agree on the backlog, I have a ton of sh*t to play on Xbox alone and have no time for another console personally. I'm also looking forward to Crackdown 3, SoD2 and SoT, Cuphead, Below & Ashen (and hopefully A LOT more)....BUT MS need to do more than that to regain mindshare with consumers. While it might not be quite as dire as some folks are making it, I do think this is a "turning point" E3 for MS in regards to gaining back mindshare. I also don't want to see GaaS type stuff just take over but I think Phil is advocating for a balance and having single player games with long lasting multiplayer components. I guess we have to wait for E3 to see what Microsoft has in store for us...this gon b a long month!
I saw a good post on NeoGAF by someone. People had been saying that it sucks that MS is focusing on GaaS as if it's some brand newly made decision when it really isn't. I never really thought about it but the guy that posted this is on point:
What changes have been made to their output?
They released Ryse (which had MTs in the MP)
They released Forza 5, H2, 6, H3 which had SP and MP with optional MTs and standard DLC
They released Dead Rising which was SP primarily, w/ co-op and standard DLC
They released Halo with SP, standard MP, and MT MP
They released Gears with SP, standard MP, and MT horde mode
They released Quantum Break with SP only
They released Ori with SP only
Edit: They released Halo Wars 2 with standard DLC and MTs
They will release Crackdown which HISTORICALLY has had SP, MP co-op, and VS MP
They will release State of Decay which is adding co-op to a previously SP only game.
They will release SoT, we have no info on monetization
They cancelled fable legends
The only game that is any different from what MS has BEEN doing is Sea of Theives. Everything else is inline with industry trends THAT EVERY OTHER PUBLISHER IS DOING- adding MP to SP games, making some online only games, and adding MTs.
Every conceivable business model is represented in their portfolio.
MS been doubling down on online games since 2002.
What changes have been made to their output?
They released Ryse (which had MTs in the MP)
They released Forza 5, H2, 6, H3 which had SP and MP with optional MTs and standard DLC
They released Dead Rising which was SP primarily, w/ co-op and standard DLC
They released Halo with SP, standard MP, and MT MP
They released Gears with SP, standard MP, and MT horde mode
They released Quantum Break with SP only
They released Ori with SP only
Edit: They released Halo Wars 2 with standard DLC and MTs
They will release Crackdown which HISTORICALLY has had SP, MP co-op, and VS MP
They will release State of Decay which is adding co-op to a previously SP only game.
They will release SoT, we have no info on monetization
They cancelled fable legends
The only game that is any different from what MS has BEEN doing is Sea of Theives. Everything else is inline with industry trends THAT EVERY OTHER PUBLISHER IS DOING- adding MP to SP games, making some online only games, and adding MTs.
Every conceivable business model is represented in their portfolio.
MS been doubling down on online games since 2002.
Man, I whole heartedly agree about Journey, but that dancer gamer game almost made me sick (figuratively). I'm an "artist" myself, but that was all style over substance. Ori was superior to both.
Another thing to remember is that Journey was a rerelease. It's to Sony's credit that they offered these (numerous) remakes, but it seems to equate to a legit current release. Many of these Sony games have been released or in development for a looong time (GT Sport, TLG). I wonder if Sony won't have a big drought window in the near future.
I feel like a good bit of their line up is a bit illusory...
I'd like to get to know you better. You seem like a fun guy.
Hey, Kvally, I read an article a year ago about internet arguing. This won't surprise anyone, but they found that after internet arguments, no one's opinion was changed -- the only thing that happened was that each side got more convinced/polarized/entrenched in their own position. So I'll drop it, since I don't want to make you into even more of an Xbox fanboy than you already are. (You are my favorite Xbox fanboy here, though ... although for sheer hilarity I have to go with McMasters).
Journey was just an example pulled at random. If you want to get into the issue of whose output is more creative and has greater experimentation and variety, I think that's an easy win for Sony, and most people (not here on an Xbox forum, but most gamers) would agree with that; it's hardly illusory. However, see comment to Kvally, above.
I disagree. You may not succeed in a full "victory", but salient points will usually stick in one form or another and will have minute to major impact in the future. We are a conglomeration of our experience, after all.
Journey was the best example, imo. It is still subjective regardless of what the majority group gravitated toward. I tried a number of those more "artistic" experiences on PS4 ( I do have one).
Aside from Journey, I don't think I was hooked by many. Flower, Welcome to the Rapture, Bound, etc didn't snag me. I still want to try TLG, but The longevity certainly wasn't there.
It's hard to have the library argument because we are drawn to different things. I do, however respect that others will be into different things than I. I just wish I could get the same consideration.
You disagree that internet arguments don't produce significant shifts in position? Ok, but that's certainly been my experience and that's what this research showed.
I guess it depends on what level of change you're talking about. There would be minor changes. Like, for instance, I forgot to mention ReCore, and Kvally corrected me on that. Ok, my mind "changed" about that (or I was reminded of something I knew). But that's not a shift in position. I'm not suddenly thinking, "Kvally is right; MS has been killing it lately and Sony is lame." Kvally is still full of sh1t (lol).
I'm talking about a significant shift in position in console war arguments. Think about your own. How often do you take a strong position on one side of the console wars, with another person arguing against you, and you come away from that argument with a significant shift in your position? I'll tell you what happens to me -- I go away with the same opinion I arrived with, and I'm pretty sure the other guy does, too.
We have a lot of console war discussions/arguments here. Has anyone here ever changed their console war position in a significant way, as a result of an argument? I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has. I'm not picking on this forum, but when I come here, I know I'll see the same 40 guys saying the same 40 things, over and over. Including me! I see an avatar, and I can predict the viewpoint I'm going to hear. I see plenty of console war arguments, but little or no change of position. And I believe that even the minor shifts are usually not the result of arguments but because of real-world changes (e.g., one of the companies is performing better or worse than they were before).
It depends on the topic. If something is new, like freshly poured concrete, argument may serve to shape positions. But once the concrete has set (as it has with console war stuff -- most people have established their positions years ago), I don't think arguments on the internet do much to change them.
Whatever we're doing with console war arguments -- and I enjoy them as much as the next guy -- we shouldn't kid ourselves that we're persuading anyone. Not anyone who wasn't persuaded already. I think they mostly serve to self-validate the opinions we already hold.
p.s. About your other point, when I say creative/artistic range, I'm not just talking about avante garde "art school" games like Journey or Flower. I'm talking about the whole range of creativity. The last two games I played can serve as examples: Persona 5 is incredibly creative, and Horizon is visually beautiful, creative, and risk-taking. Or think of Nier: Automata. Or Dreams, or The Last of Us, or Detroit, or Yakuza, or Gravity Rush, or Dreamfall. (Notice I didn't mention any indies.) So I'm not thinking in narrow terms about creativity and variety. I'm talking about the range of creativity within the whole catalog.
Unless you think too much of yourself, you shouldn't expect a major shift in position. If you have respect for those you are engaging in, you must expect that they have some reasoned thought behind their pos. At leat from their experiences. Thinking that you are going to drop some truth bomb (from your perspective) with the expectation that you will change their whole perspective in ine conversation is hubrisn
You have to remember that people (especially smart people) digest information over time, comparing and contrastisng with their own point of view, and even incorporate your information into their thinking without even realising it. This tends to make people think it was theie idea, making it even more acceptable to them.
I only say this because you seem to comment on this as if further discussion is useless. I would say (especially in your case as you do make good points, imo) that your words may not manifest in immediate fashion, but being said CAN have subtle and meaninful impact on those you interact with, as well as those passively observing. The especially in a forum were many eyes will see.
The discussion and challenge are the most important part, regardless of how one sided it may seem, how stubborn the combatants are, or whether someone can be swayed. All onliokers have the opportunity to engage their minds...
Oh, I don't think it's useless. It's fun. I enjoy the back and forth. I like a good argument. My friend told me I should be a lawyer, because I like to argue so much. But when it comes to internet arguments, I generally bow out when it doesn't seem fun or enjoyable anymore. That usually happens around the time it starts to feel "serious."
Besides, I'm a PS guy on the Xbox side of the forum. Although it's been fun to come back and stir the pot a little, I don't want to be a dick by hanging out and continuing to pound away at the same points.
Anyhow, I'm not saying console war arguments are useless. I think they can be fun (to a point), in and of themselves. But I also don't think they shift people's opinions much and generally just serve to reinforce them. I don't generally go into console war arguments thinking I'm going to change the other guy's mind. I just do it for the fun of it.
$60 a year for live.
$5 a month for EA Access.
$10 a month for the dumb game service MS just made.
$10 a month for this dumb idea of a game service MS wants 2 make.
ching ching!Um no
$5 a month for EA Access.
$10 a month for the dumb game service MS just made.
$10 a month for this dumb idea of a game service MS wants 2 make.
ching ching!Um no
How many console Uncharted's? How many years has Uncharted been out?
We don't wanna go H5 vs UC4 do we?
Sony could have a drought but I would say they now have their studios generally in good shape going forward. The key way to keep output high is to rely on their big studios to deliver more games over a shorter period and their smaller studios to fill in the gaps. In that regard I think going forward they are going to rely on Naughty Dog, Japan Studio, Santa Monica and Guerrilla to put out content more consistently. Naughty dog are doing this, they put out UC4 and now have The Lost Legacy and TLOU PT2. Japan Studio who were virtually useless last gen put out Knack,TLG,Gravity Rush 2 and Knack 2 is coming out this fall plus they certainly have new titles to show. Guerrilla are arguably their most efficient dev putting out Killzone and Horizon already, technically they only worked on Horizon full time in around 3 years which is mighty impressive. Santa Monica are not as good at this they have yet to put out a title yet and need to start delivering more consistently. The likes of Bend, Media Molecule, Sucker Punch etc are just there to fill the gaps with smaller and more different projects but still high quality.I still think they will need 2nd party to help out though like Bloodborne,Spiderman etc as having only 10 main studios gets you so far and London and Manchester do VR games only.The drought was 2015 in my mind.
EA Access is $20 for the year.
Those are options and great values to many. You aren't forced to subscribe to HBO, Netflix, Hulu and Amazon. Just buy what you like when the value is there and cancel when it's not.
Gamers have suddenly started following the rhetoric that less options and features is better. Single player without multiplayer is suddenly a benefit. Optional cosmetic microtrasacrions that keep new maps free and don't split the community is bad. Services that offer lots of games at the fraction it cost to buy one new games are a bad option. Forward compatibility ruined your generations.
There's a segment of gamers (who unfortunately dominate the major gaming sites) that want to only play 10 to 15 hour single player, story driven campaigns on a disc...with the same terrible AI and physics that we've seen in games for almost 2 decades. They want this forever. Any evolution, including customer friendly options, is ruining the industry.
Interesting take on EA Access by showing it as a monthly fee, as opposed to the cheaper annual amount.
Here's Sony's fee structures:
- $60 a year PS+ (now mandatory for PS4 MP when it was free last gen. And $10 more expensive than last gen)
- $8-9 a month for PS Now (a streaming service which Sony cancelled support for many platforms, has no optional cheaper annual cost, and whose original price structure was about double what it is now)
- $40-70 a month for PS Vue (Sony's TV, TV, TV streaming cable service)
- No option for gamers for EA Access (bad mouthed EA by saying it's crap and gamers should instead buy PS Now)
- No option for gamers for Game Pass (don't want to give gamers access to older games)
- PS4 Pro has no 4k UHD (but people, please buy our standalone $400 4k UHD players instead!)
ching ching!
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Thanks, I think.
. However while I will agree I was a raging Xbox fanboy for years (goes back to when I was an MVP for Microsoft Office, my opinion and stance have changed. Sure I love rooting for the underdog, and I do it in sports all the time. But cheering aside (it's merely a show for forums) I enjoy both equally. In fact I have been spending more time playing games on PlayStation than Xbox. And there is a good reason for that. I used to be pretty much a multiplayer gamer only. Xbox was the king for that. There were times where I would spend up to 60 or more hours a week playing. That contributed to my separation and divorce in 2012 after being with my wife for 20 years. I had become lazy, put on a lot of weight, didn't help out around the house unless asked and many other factors. But gaming was one of them. It was too much of my life.A year later in 2013 I lost 60 pounds, am a regular at the gym, been traveling around the world, been golfing, biking, biking, loving my new wife and of course my son whom I have 100% placement. All that means I had to give up gaming, at least to the extreme I was. Now I get 0-2 hours a week on average. This means I can't get good at the multiplayer games any longer. So now I focus on single player, hence my time on PS has taken over Xbox. If it takes me 4 months to finish UC4 on easy, so be it. Now I play SP games for a half hour at a time when time permits. The PS has a lot of unique games including short ones like Journey that lets me play in those short stints.
I don't regret it for a second and I honestly do prefer to enjoy both platforms equally. But for now the PS is my go to machine.