The Xbox Onesie

[OneBadMutha]

TD has gone nuts.

There is more gaming content for your dollar today on Xbox One than any previous gen ever at this point. Only damned idiots limit themselves to exclusives. By the end of this year, even if Xbox One is your only console, this could be one of the better years in gaming ever. Most of the big games are extremely time consuming.

I'm also puzzled by this rhetoric that Crackdown, State of Decay, Forza and Sea of Thieves don't count as meaningful games due to niche appeal and then people complete their list wars with stuff like Persona and Nier.

Play what you like!

Both consoles have a crazy amount of games to play. If you've really exhausted every worthwhile single and multiplayer game on Xbox, you really need to shave that neck beard and get outside to enjoy some sunshine.

 

[TDbank24]

Good thing they didn't cancel even 5% of their line up.

They have what, 5-6 games coming out this year? Mostly indies. They canceled 2, so almost half their lineup, and they canceled the two biggest games of the year. I don't know how people continue to lie to themselves. We get it, you love Halo, Gears, and Forza just like PS fans love Uncharted, God of War, and Gran Turismo.

We're always going to love our console of choice. Even though i don't know why people make a choice when it's easier to own both, support both, and be critical of both. The time spent warrioring a brand on the internet could be spent working another job to afford both if one is really that strapped for cash.

 

[TDbank24]

TD has gone nuts.

There is more gaming content for your dollar today on Xbox One than any previous gen ever at this point. Only damned idiots limit themselves to exclusives. By the end of this year, even if Xbox One is your only console, this could be one of the better years in gaming ever. Most of the big games are extremely time consuming.

I'm also puzzled by this rhetoric that Crackdown, State of Decay, Forza and Sea of Thieves don't count as meaningful games due to niche appeal and then people complete their list wars with stuff like Persona and Nier.

Play what you like!

Both consoles have a crazy amount of games to play. If you've really exhausted every worthwhile single and multiplayer game on Xbox, you really need to shave that neck beard and get outside to enjoy some sunshine.

This post just shows you don't get it and never will. Who is limiting themselves to exclusives? Most of the big games are extremely time consuming? This is a discussion about exclusives. It took all of 10 hours to finish Halo 5 and Gears 4. You get endless hours with multiplayer if that's what you're into but that's not what we're talking about here.

There is no exclusive game on the Xbox One that even competes, let alone rivals, Uncharted, God of War, The Last of Us, Horizon, Bloodborne. Forget all the so called niche Japanese games that you continue to put down and claim nobody wants even though they keep hitting the 1 million sold mark on PS4. Likewise, i've been on record saying there's nothing on PS4 multiplayer wise that competes with or rivals Halo and Gears either. That's a different topic though, and you're free to start that topic in the PlayStation section. Assuming you're not banned for trolling there like most Xbots on this site.

And you're right, there is more than enough to play on either console. But again, that's not the topic we're discussing here. We're discussing Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo's direction as a brand of gaming. Get on board, or don't. No reason to label people as conspiracy theorists though for having an opinion. It makes this place feel very unwelcoming.

 

[eVo7]

TD has gone nuts.

There is more gaming content for your dollar today on Xbox One than any previous gen ever at this point. Only damned idiots limit themselves to exclusives. By the end of this year, even if Xbox One is your only console, this could be one of the better years in gaming ever. Most of the big games are extremely time consuming.

I'm also puzzled by this rhetoric that Crackdown, State of Decay, Forza and Sea of Thieves don't count as meaningful games due to niche appeal and then people complete their list wars with stuff like Persona and Nier.

Play what you like!

Both consoles have a crazy amount of games to play. If you've really exhausted every worthwhile single and multiplayer game on Xbox, you really need to shave that neck beard and get outside to enjoy some sunshine.

Has gone nuts?

He's been nuts. This is the same guy that alternates his avatars weekly between X1 and PS4 being number 1.

Hes had split personality disorder for a many years at this point.

 

[TDbank24]

He's been nuts. This is the same guy that alternates his avatars weekly between X1 and PS4 being number 1.

I can't even get a full nights sleep without changing my mind anymore. It's like you want to stick to one, but someone says something dumb that you just feel like you have to counter. So might as well change the avatar to fit the message. The original reasoning was to support both and show people how silly they are by arguing on both sides of the fence.

Maybe i should just go PC like you. I'm starting to see how pointless it is trying to argue with stock holders, or whatever their issue is that doesn't allow them to see past their own bias. It's bush league at best. I just don't get it. What do you gain from being blind to the facts?

I mean this could all be avoided with a simple acknowledgment that not everyone has the same views and opinions. If you want to limit yourself and back a company that acts like they're only in it for the money then that's your choice but i have questions for these companies. You're getting my dollar, i get to ask questions. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.

 

[OneBadMutha]

You get endless hours with multiplayer if that's what you're into but that's not what we're talking about here.

I am and actually it's a big part of what we're talking about here. You have to learn the difference between opinion and fact. Fact actually shows that exclusives aren't driving sales because there's so much content out now it's diminishing returns. Fact shows that the 3rd party single player games today have far more content than games of the past. Witcher 3 equates to 10 single player games on the PS2. Most gamers with diversity of taste can't get through their backlogs.

I'll take one Halo 5 multiplayer over 10 Uncharted and Horizon campaigns but I have respect for other people's differing opinions.

 

[OneBadMutha]

I mean this could all be avoided with a simple acknowledgment that not everyone has the same views and opinions.

How many people live inside that body of yours? Holy crap!

 

[TDbank24]

I'll take one Halo 5 multiplayer over 10 Uncharted and Horizon campaigns but I have respect for other people's differing opinions.

Now we're getting somewhere. 60 million people would take 1 Uncharted or Horizon campaign over 20 Halo multiplayers though. Gamers vote with their wallets. Well, that's what Xbox fans go to slogan was when 360 was beating up on PS3 last gen anyway.

 

[Dno69]

I can't even get a full nights sleep without changing my mind anymore. It's like you want to stick to one, but someone says something dumb that you just feel like you have to counter. So might as well change the avatar to fit the message. The original reasoning was to support both and show people how silly they are by arguing on both sides of the fence.

Maybe i should just go PC like you. I'm starting to see how pointless it is trying to argue with stock holders, or whatever their issue is that doesn't allow them to see past their own bias. It's bush league at best. I just don't get it. What do you gain from being blind to the facts?

I mean this could all be avoided with a simple acknowledgment that not everyone has the same views and opinions. If you want to limit yourself and back a company that acts like they're only in it for the money then that's your choice but i have questions for these companies. You're getting my dollar, i get to ask questions. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.

Their views and opinions differ from yours though and they´re content. What should they be acknowledging exactly?
Should they be whipped up into a frenzy from watching a barrage of negative YouTube opinion pieces?

Personally I'm concerned a little bit because it's starting to feel a little like the latter half of the 360´s life cycle. Even though MS put out a lot of new IP's that just didn't have the success they expected.

 

[TDbank24]

Their views and opinions differ from yours though and they´re content. What should they be acknowledging exactly?
Should they be whipped up into a frenzy from watching a barrage of negative YouTube opinion pieces?

Personally I'm concerned a little bit because it's starting to feel a little like the latter half of the 360´s life cycle. Even though MS put out a lot of new IP's that just didn't have the success they expected.

You liked the post so you tell me.

I don't know. Guess i just don't see the point in getting worked up either way. There's bad apples out there that just want to bash either brand. I don't think any of us are doing that. I think we're allowing ourselves to feel divided. We're all gamers, it's no big deal either way.

 

[Dno69]

You liked the post so you tell me.

I don't know. Guess i just don't see the point in getting worked up either way. There's bad apples out there that just want to bash either brand. I don't think any of us are doing that. I think we're allowing ourselves to feel divided. We're all gamers, it's no big deal either way.

I agree with you. But if someone says that they're perfectly happy with Xbox's offerings, I don't think they're being disingenuous or a biased shill.

 

[TDbank24]

I agree with you. But if someone says that they're perfectly happy with Xbox's offerings, I don't think they're being disingenuous or a biased shill.

That wasn't my message though. You can be perfectly happy with what you have and still expect more. Remember that these companies work for us. You don't always have to accept that what's best for business is best for you.

 

[Dno69]

That wasn't my message though. You can be perfectly happy with what you have and still expect more. Remember that these companies work for us. You don't always have to accept that what's best for business is best for you.

I'm saying that it's easy to get swept up in the wave of negativity. As you said in an earlier post, even Sony experienced it with the launch of the PS3. That wasn't just all Xbots. That was gamers and the press as well.

But both companies derserve/ed the criticism .

 

[Dno69]

In general I think that even beyond diversifing their line up, Microsoft needs at least one or two massive hits in the worst way.

 

[OneBadMutha]

Microsoft changed leadership 3 years ago. It takes time before new leadership steers a large ship in a different direction. Big games take 3 to 4 years to develop and I'm sure his team didn't start green-lighting big projects as soon as Mattrick left. That wouldn't be intelligent.

I thought Xbox first party had been sick since Kinect got hot however the new team has delivered in a lot of ways over the past few years. Games come last.

Rather than looking for a bunch of CG videos of games that won't be out for years, I think the most telling things this E3 will be the state of Crackdown 3, State of Decay 2, Sea of Thieves and Cuphead. The majority of those development cycles have been under Spencer's team. It's a wild card year. This could turn out to be a turning point year for the brand.

Finally don't sleep on Halo 6. 343 has had a lot of infighting through all of Halo 4's development and part of Halo 5's. I'm interested in seeing if the changes 343 has made to key people results in Halo finding new life and positively evolving.

 

[OneBadMutha]

Now we're getting somewhere. 60 million people would take 1 Uncharted or Horizon campaign over 20 Halo multiplayers though. Gamers vote with their wallets. Well, that's what Xbox fans go to slogan was when 360 was beating up on PS3 last gen anyway.

I'm just telling you what I like. I never said Halo killed it in sales.

You're putting the cart before the horse. Sony built double the customer base before either Uncharted or Horizon released. The console war for this gen was over when the only successful franchise they published was Bloodbourne.

Actually PlayStation built most of their lead while their gamers were primarily playing Destiny, COD, Madden, NBA 2K, Battlefield, Battlefront, FIFA and GTA3. For many PlayStation gamers, their play times with those franchises look like mine with Halo 5. GAAS!

 

[Zcythe]

Going to interject and say speculation is not fact. In this case, we have Spencer saying something and then people speculating the opposite. They can say read between the lines or the writing is on the wall all they want, but it doesn't change that all they're doing is speculating.

 

[eVo7]

I can't even get a full nights sleep without changing my mind anymore. It's like you want to stick to one, but someone says something dumb that you just feel like you have to counter. So might as well change the avatar to fit the message. The original reasoning was to support both and show people how silly they are by arguing on both sides of the fence.

Maybe i should just go PC like you. I'm starting to see how pointless it is trying to argue with stock holders, or whatever their issue is that doesn't allow them to see past their own bias. It's bush league at best. I just don't get it. What do you gain from being blind to the facts?

I mean this could all be avoided with a simple acknowledgment that not everyone has the same views and opinions. If you want to limit yourself and back a company that acts like they're only in it for the money then that's your choice but i have questions for these companies. You're getting my dollar, i get to ask questions. That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.

Didn't read any of this but I am sure you tried to say I have a PC bias, which I don't. Seeing as I have been doing a majority of my gaming on consoles lately, but you didn't know that because you don't know me, oh well.

Oh and it looks like you've already switched your avatar back to PS4. Congrats.

 

[Kvally]

but you didn't know that because you don't know me, oh well.

I said the exact same thing to him.

 

[Mcmasters]

In general I think that even beyond diversifing their line up, Microsoft needs at least one or two massive hits in the worst way.

What no one seems to be mentioning is that there was/is an incredible gaming journalists and gamer bias that also thrived by slamming anything Microsoft. Any who denies that is in denial themselves. And because of that bias, I don't feel it's completely fair to say with certainty that MS exclusives like QB, Recore or even Ryse or SO were failures bases on their own merits. Each of them were good to great games with a solid foundation for ongoing franchises. I've been a gamer practically all my life. I know s*** games. Not one of the four mentioned were s***. In fact, far from it. In my opinion, this whole generation has been in question from the beginning. And because of this bias, nearly every review or criticism of the Xbox brand should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.

 

[yankeessuck]

Dat persecution complex

Somehow all the biased reviewers always forget Forza is an Xbox game

 

[Mcmasters]

Dat persecution complex

Somehow all the biased reviewers always forget Forza is an Xbox game

Sure.. persecution. That's it. As I stated before, to deny there is a clear bias against anything Xbox is to be in denial. We'll see what you say when more exclusives join the fray. See you around...

 

[yankeessuck]

Sure.. persecution. That's it. As I stated before, to deny there is a clear bias against anything Xbox is to be in denial. We'll see what you say when more exclusives join the fray. See you around...

If review bias brings down Xbox games then why doesn't it bring down Forza?

You don't need to wait to see what I will say. If they look interesting I will play them. Just like always. Unlike you I have no loyalty to plastic.

 

[Kvally]

I have to say Yankee, as of late, you have been showing substantially less bias than I have ever seen from you. Not sure if you turned over a new leaf, or I was oblivious to anything posted here because I keep staring at my Bree Olson avatars.

 

[Mcmasters]

If review bias brings down Xbox games then why doesn't it bring down Forza?

You don't need to wait to see what I will say. If they look interesting I will play them. Just like always. Unlike you I have no loyalty to plastic.

If my enjoying a product and what it brings to the table make me "loyal to plastic" I guess we can go with that. You say that as if its like this exclusive thing. All people enjoy some product exclusively. I guess you're different. lol

 

[yankeessuck]

I have to say Yankee, as of late, you have been showing substantially less bias than I have ever seen from you. Not sure if you turned over a new leaf, or I was oblivious to anything posted here because I keep staring at my Bree Olson avatars.

Most of my bias is just a reaction to there being more Xbox biased people here. I have spent way way more time playing Xbox than PS and Nintendo systems combined in the past 15 years.

 

[Sasquatch Montana]

Eh, any bone to pick at this point.

The hardware argument doesn't exist anymore, so it HAD to shift to something else. After the DF spec expositions there were literally game sites complaining about "Who really needs a console this strong when all we want to do is just play games?" I mean this was something that we all here accurately predicted more than a month ago. The New Narrative Is Games.

Right. Its always "attack what Xbox is not"

Lot of games round the holidays? Bad.
Power? That was never the issue.
Price? Neither was that.
Lack of open world exclusives? Actually no because there were 2 last year and 3 this year. Lack of open world exclusives without multiplayer? Bad....and pathetically specific. You dont see anyone complaining mario kart isnt set in Australia.

 

[Andy]

Pretty self explanatory:

"As an industry, I want to make sure both narrative-driven single-player games and service-based games have the opportunity to succeed. I think that’s critical for us.”

Doesn't get any more clear cut than that.

Actually there's plenty of room for interpretation there, especially if you read the remark in context.

Phil has made a lot of promises in the past 3 years, and I love that he is delivering on them.

Phil says a lot, that's for sure. I'm not sure I agree that he's delivering on all his promises. He's been yapping about 1st party IPs for a long time. Where's the beef, Phil.

Yeah, that's from the same interview if I recall. Again, it's people seeing what they want to see. That sentence should make it abundantly clear, and yet...

I'd say the bolded part applies to the Xboxers just as well. The thing about Phil is, he's very good at PR, and the first rule of PR is "don't say anything concrete, and make it sound really good." He makes vague statements that don't really say a whole lot, and people read their own preconceptions into it. I think you have to look at the actual results, the actual things that have happened.

In general I think that even beyond diversifing their line up, Microsoft needs at least one or two massive hits in the worst way.

Yeah, they do. It's been a while (I mean unexpected hits, not the predictable ones like Forza or Halo). They're banking on Crackdown and Sea of Thieves to be it. We'll see.

Microsoft changed leadership 3 years ago. It takes time before new leadership steers a large ship in a different direction. Big games take 3 to 4 years to develop and I'm sure his team didn't start green-lighting big projects as soon as Mattrick left. That wouldn't be intelligent.

I believe Phil was head (or VP) of MS Game Studios since 2008. He's been in leadership positions over 1st party development for nearly a decade. This isn't about "Hey, Matrick really screwed things up, give us some time to fix it." Phil has been a big part of this decision making for a long time.

 

[Frozpot]

If review bias brings down Xbox games then why doesn't it bring down Forza?

You don't need to wait to see what I will say. If they look interesting I will play them. Just like always. Unlike you I have no loyalty to plastic.

I definitely feel a pretty steady drum of negativity toward MS. Not sure how much that manifests in actual reviews, though. I mean, the Order caught an over abundance of negativity, but Uncharted 4 was a tad over-rated, IMO (same with Zero Dawn, though both are at least really, really good).

Not that I give two s***s about reviews. I see most of the negativity in forums and comment sections, but it's mostly fanboy fodder, and the PS4 is the more popular, so there will naturally be more visible bias in that direction. I do think group think does seem into the edges of the more "professional" sites.

 

[Frozpot]

I'd say the bolded part applies to the Xboxers just as well. The thing about Phil is, he's very good at PR, and the first rule of PR is "don't say anything concrete, and make it sound really good." He makes vague statements that don't really say a whole lot, and people read their own preconceptions into it. I think you have to look at the actual results, the actual things that have happened.

I'd say he made a pretty clear statement.

Beyond that, there have been plenty of first/Secondary party titles. Certainly not all new IP, and the Play Anywhere diminishes the Exclusive moniker somewhat. I get that those aren't what you are looking for, but saying they aren't doing it is silly. I know that I personally have enjoyed all of their offerings (even if there could be more polish on a couple of them). I don't think a list is necessary. I also support them (I have bought them all, but some on sale).

It's also too early to talk about the future in this sense, as everything is pretty buttoned up pre-E3. I think E3 will give us a much better window. Perhaps they should just blow their wad and show everything that's in development for the next two or three years just to make some people feel better. Could they have more? Absolutely, but I do know that my back log ain't gettin' smaller.