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So you're saying they'll be able to learn to take advantage of downclocks later in the gen?
There was a reason. It probably was back compat limiting them to 36 CUs tying their hands into an massive overclock to the GPU and designing their cooling and power strategy to sustain a frequency that lets them claim to expect at or near double digits in TF most of the time.
I'm saying they'll have time to work on it and find out how best to use the console set up once they've had more time, launch games never fully take full advantage of new hardware especially when games have to work across two generations of consoles.
There are advantages that come with the higher clock speeds, I don't believe they had to do this for BC, if they were able to double the amount of CU's between the PS4 and Pro without any problem why would adding more to the PS5 become something insurmountable?
I'm not sure about AC now that Watch Dogs Legion was pushed back and has been announced (with other Ubisoft games) to be getting the next gen treatment. I'm very curious to see what the next AC is like though. I went back and started playing AC 3's DLC and I do wish they would have given that setting and character another game.
I'm not sure about 1st party offerings making it at this point, I'm glad Phil said they wouldn't delay the hardware release for any specific game and I hope Jim Ryan at Sony feels the same way.
But PS5 is not better in any way at all as it relates to GPU, CPU, Memory, or anything else which touches rendering. Litterally everything is better on Xbox Series X, and not but a small margin... and that's *EVEN IF* the PS5 has its GPU and CPU running at the fastest possible clock speeds (which we already know won't always happen).
No, that's false.
The simple truth is that the Series X will be better than PS5 in every way possible regarding rendering. Period.
If they could double it, maybe. The problem is they have to have the hardware emulate the old hardware, so they need to be able to emulate the CPU cores (so they can downclock and just not use the second theread per core) and the GPU cus. They doubled that for pro but had to only use half for compat in base mode. Some guy named Mark Cerny said in https://www.tweaktown.com/news/54587/ps4-pro-turns-half-gpu-run-normal-games/index.html
as somebody that started visiting windows central, when it originally was called windows phone central which was over a decade ago, and followed Paul Thurrot for even longer, I’m not the one that is blind.
It’s ok, they said something that wasn’t gushing with positivity about you’re plastic of choice, you’ll survive.
Xbox people did it for nearly a decade. Sony is still going to sell the most consoles and have stellar games. Why are you stressing about what other people say when you know you are going to have a great time with the PS5?
More High speed ram available.
Significantly faster SSD | faster I/O
GPU runs at a higher clock speed
Better Audio Solution
Also....
PS5 design is easy for PlayStation 4 developers to get to grips with, but digging deeper into the new system's capabilities, there are many aspects of the PS5 design that PCs will be hard-pressed to match
PlayStation 5 Variable frequency system
- There is a set power level for the SoC, power budget based on the thermal dissipation of the cooling assembly
- PS5 uses an algorithm in which the frequency depends on CPU and GPU activity information (load). Inside the SoC a power control unit is constantly measuring the activity of the CPU, the GPU and the memory interface, assessing the nature of the tasks they are undertaking.
- A 'model SoC' is used, a simulation of how the processor is likely to behave, and that same simulation is used at the heart of the power monitor within every PlayStation 5, ensuring consistency in every unit.
- The time constant, the amount of time that the CPU and GPU take to achieve a frequency that matches their activity, It's quite short, if the game is doing power-intensive processing for a few frames, then it gets throttled. There isn't a lag where extra performance is available for several seconds or several minutes and then the system gets throttled. PS5 is very responsive to power consumed
- Developers have feedback on exactly how much power is being used by the CPU and GPU.
- Devs need to optimize their game engines in a different way - to achieve optimal performance for the given power level.
- The CPU and GPU each have a power budget. If the CPU doesn't use its power budget - for example, if it is capped at 3.5GHz - then the unused portion of the budget goes to the GPU.
- There's enough power that both CPU and GPU can potentially run at their limits of 3.5GHz and 2.23GHz, it isn't the case that the developer has to choose to run one of them slower.
- GPU will spend most of its time at or near its top frequency in situations where the whole frame is being used productively in PS5 games. The same is true for the CPU, based on examination of situations where it has high utilization throughout the frame, we have concluded that the CPU will spend most of its time at its peak frequency.
- With race to idle out of the equation and both CPU and GPU fully used, the boost clock system should still see both components running near to or at peak frequency most of the time.
- Dropping frequency by 10 per cent reduces power consumption by around 27 per cent. "In general, a 10 per cent power reduction is just a few per cent reduction in frequency,
- One of our breakthroughs was finding a set of frequencies where the hotspot - meaning the thermal density of the CPU and the GPU - is the same
- Several developers speaking to Digital Foundry have stated that their current PS5 work sees them throttling back the CPU in order to ensure a sustained 2.23GHz clock on the graphics core
- Dev kits support locked profiles, it can be helpful not to have variable clocks when optimizing.
- Released PS5 games always get boosted frequencies so that they can take advantage of the additional power
- Developers don't need to optimize in any way; if necessary, the frequency will adjust to whatever actions the CPU and GPU are performing
Agreed. My point is that heat dissipation is way more of a consideration than a lot of people seem to think about. MS is synonymous with it because of RLoD. They have been paranoid ever since and bucked traditional design philosophy over it.
People talk about fan noise but never overheating, and given these rumors have around as while even before we heard of the clock speed is reason for consideration.
It is one of the PS5 design aspects of I'm most curious about...
I'm interested in line ups too. Sony is in the position again of having the huge multi-year current gen projects at the end of the year.
I wonder how they wont be leaning on "cross-gen" games at launch. Which is fine with me, but that's the criticism aimed at MS.
MS will have Halo (which they say was built with Scarlett in mind) and at least a Forza, I expect. Not to mention all these other secret studio projects. E3 season gonna be huge.
The blind eye and defense has you being the plastic lover written all over it.
It’s sad to see Valliance pushing the lower ram bandwidth and less capable GPU console and spinning that into “wins” for them.
Guerrilla Games hasn't released a new game since Feb 2017 (they did an expansion later that year) and that studio has been steadily growing so they can release games at a faster pace since before HZD was released, rumors are San Diego studio was expanded so they could work on something besides MLB the Show and we don't know what Blue Points PS5 exclusive is or what japan studio has going on..
I'm guessing we'll get some enhancements for late releases like TLOU2 and Ghost of Tsushima but who knows?
The reason some people are being critical of MS is they said they won't have any XSX exclusive games for a couple of years while Jason Schreier said that Sony would have some PS5 exclusive games at launch. With this pandemic who knows how launch titles for either platform will be impacted though? we could end up with a bunch of 3rd party cross gen games that were scheduled to release in late summer/early fall and have to wait until early 2021 for the 1st party stuff, I'm not predicting that and I don't want that to happen but it wouldn't shock me if this situation doesn't improve soon.
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Has it been that long since HZD? Damn. It's crazy to think Halo 5 came out in what? 2015? I still don't expect Guerrilla's next game till at least next year. TLOU 2 would be a perfect launch game too. But cross gen isn't a bullet point, so.
1. False.
2. Does nothing for rendering.
3. Doesn't make up for the massive power deficit.
4. False.
Where do you guys get this s***?
Anyone saying there is a massive power difference is full of s***, it's a smaller difference than we had between the PS4 and X1 or Pro and X1X.
It's funny how some here can't accept yes for an answer lol, everyone here has said the XSX is more powerful yet some people keep trying to pretend that others pointing out that the PS5 has some advantages in specific areas means that we are saying it's more powerful and nobody is saying that. You can have a product that has certain advantages but still isn't the most powerful overall and that's the case with the PS5, it has some advantages but it's not more powerful than the XSX.
It's funny how some here can't accept yes for an answer lol, everyone here has said the XSX is more powerful yet some people keep trying to pretend that others pointing out that the PS5 has some advantages in specific areas means that we are saying it's more powerful and nobody is saying that. You can have a product that has certain advantages but still isn't the most powerful overall and that's the case with the PS5, it has some advantages but it's not more powerful than the XSX.
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I know, time just keeps going by faster and faster the older we get lol. I'm not sure when GG's next game will come out but launch window wouldn't surprise me much, supposedly they have two games in development but that's just a rumor. I do hope we end up hearing something about WiLD, there is a rumor that's going to be a cross-gen launch title but I'll believe that when I see it. The concept for that game was great and the footage that they showed looked really good for a game as ambitious as it is that's also being made by a small team. I do hope they are still working on it, it could only benefit from being released on more powerful hardware.
I'm going to say it for you. You were pretty much calling out Flynn a liar.
1.Yes 10gb of faster ram isn't better than 16gb of slower ram.
2.Correct but it can enhance gameplay.
3.It most definitely will close the gap.
4. True and this is said internet wide.
He sure isn't being honest in everything he's saying.
There IS a massive power difference though. 12.15 > 9.2
Never does when it comes to this stuff, he works for the company though so his loyalty is to them so it's not hard to understand why, I'm not saying he's a bad person or a dishonest person but when it comes to this particular subject he's made statements in the past that were untrue with the current gen of consoles and continues to do so now.
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I said what I meant to say, someone making that statement is full of s***, if you want to take it to another level and make something more out of it that's up to you.
I think it’s funny Val and JinCA pick and choose what to believe to fit their narrative. You two are the biggest full of s*** people on this forum when it comes to gaming over the years. Don’t act like you’ve never had a bias against things MS/XBox and favor Sony.
Exactly.
The facts couldn't be more clear.
We won. We made the better box. Ours is superior. Period.
Any narrative which tries to dispute that or minimize it is simply false.
"Massive" is subjective.
It's really not complicated.
Xbox Series X is the most powerful console. It's better hardware than PS5. There's nothing the PS5 will be able to render that the Series X couldn't render faster.
How much better and what it will mean in real-world performance or quality has yet to be demonstrated, but the Series X is the better machine. Period.
But don't take my word for it...
"Former Sony Dev: PS5 and Xbox Series X Power Difference Is Quite Shocking, Several Developers Say"
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To be fair, despite his (Flynn's) admittedly abrasive tone (directed at Val) regarding it being more powerful, he has made the point that they are extremely close and a lot of people wont care about the difference.
Dude even says Sony's games will look amazing and that they are both great boxes. Pretty much what you've been saying.
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