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To be fair, despite his (Flynn's) admittedly abrasive tone (directed at Val) regarding it being more powerful, he has made the point that they are extremely close and a lot of people wont care about the difference.

Dude even says Sony's games will look amazing and that they are both great boxes. Pretty much what you've been saying.

I saw one statement and it was false, that's all I was talking about, he has done the same thing in the past so this is nothing new. He's not a bad person, I'm not attacking him as a person but the statement he made is misleading and untrue.
 
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I think it’s funny Val and JinCA pick and choose what to believe to fit their narrative. You two are the biggest full of s*** people on this forum when it comes to gaming over the years. Don’t act like you’ve never had a bias against things MS/XBox and favor Sony.

Who said there is no bias? EVERYONE has a bias, my bias used to be towards xbox (this used to be called teamxbox remember?) and that changed because of choices that MS made. It would seem that unlike you I'm able to change my mind about something if I don't like where it's going, you have an xbox bias and that's fine I wouldn't expect you not to because of where we are but you claiming other people having a bias as if you don't is rich.

What about saying PS5 does have some advantages is picking and choosing? it does and that's a fact but that doesn't mean anyone is saying it's more powerful or as powerful as the XSX overall but some of you seem to want that to be what we've said because you are overly defensive for some reason.
 
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I saw one statement and it was false, that's all I was talking about, he has done the same thing in the past so this is nothing new. He's not a bad person, I'm not attacking him as a person but the statement he made is misleading and untrue.
That's false.

I haven't made any statement which is misleading or untrue.
 
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I think it’s funny Val and JinCA pick and choose what to believe to fit their narrative. You two are the biggest full of s*** people on this forum when it comes to gaming over the years. Don’t act like you’ve never had a bias against things MS/XBox and favor Sony.
Waaa waaa they don't like XB the best!!!
They are Bad people mommy!
 
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It's misleading and untrue to imply the PS5 has any meaningful power advantage. It doesn't. Xbox Series X is more powerful, end of story.

It's misleading and untrue that PS5 having a faster SSD is somehow a secret sauce that in any way mitigates the clear superiority of Xbox Series X's GPU, CPU, Mem, etc. It doesn't. Xbox Series X is more powerful, end of story.

It's that simple.

Xbox has the best hardware, and not by a small margin. It's the clear winner.

So move on. That battle is over and done.
 
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To be fair, despite his (Flynn's) admittedly abrasive tone (directed at Val) regarding it being more powerful, he has made the point that they are extremely close and a lot of people wont care about the difference.

Dude even says Sony's games will look amazing and that they are both great boxes. Pretty much what you've been saying.
I haven't seen him making a point that they are extremely close please do show me where he said this.

He basically said XSX is more powerful in every way which is not true.

Saying both will look good or have great games is typical stuff a fanboy says on other forums do to try not and be obvious.
 
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It's misleading and untrue to imply the PS5 has any meaningful power advantage. It doesn't. Xbox Series X is more powerful, end of story.

It's misleading and untrue that PS5 having a faster SSD is somehow a secret sauce that in any way mitigates the clear superiority of Xbox Series X's GPU, CPU, Mem, etc. It doesn't. Xbox Series X is more powerful, end of story.

It's that simple.

Xbox has the best hardware, and not by a small margin. It's the clear winner.

So move on. That battle is over and done.
Hard ball eh
Another truth....

XSX has no chance so no battle is happening.
It's over before it even starts.

I wish MS could make better decisions and stop falling on there faces(coming from a fan) but they just don't know the industry.
They have improved and made many gamer friendly choices though.

Both are actually close in power.
Both have advantages over each other.
XSX wins in overall power.

PS5 will win in better visuals via it's exclusives.
PS5 will hit 10 million sold 1st and win another gen by a landslide.
 
I haven't seen him making a point that they are extremely close please do show me where he said this.

I've never said the HARDWARE is close - it's not. Xbox Series X clearly wins.

I've said what users see on the screen and experience will be close. What visual differences are present won't meaningfully change the experience... nor will most Joe Schmo's even be able to discern a difference.

He basically said XSX is more powerful in every way which is not true.

That's false. I've never said or implied that.

I've said repeatedly that the Series X is indeed overall better, and that's true. I've said that there's litterally no frame the PS5 can draw that the X can't draw faster - that's true. I've said that the rendering pipeline is superior on the X - that's true. I've said the PS5 does NOT have a better audio solution - that's true.

I have no problem with Sony's faster SSD. It's not going to make any difference in rendering. The Xbox will always be better in every way WRT rendering. That's just a fact.

Saying both will look good or have great games is typical stuff a fanboy says on other forums do to try not and be obvious.

But it's true. Call it what you want, it's the truth.

The truth is that the power superiority of the X (while obvious, measurable, and provable) won't make much of a difference in terms of the experience gamers get. Call of Shooty 2001 will be the same experience on both boxes and look nearly visually indistinguishable.

That's the truth.

So while the power difference is not small, the net/net visual differences will be (to anyone honest).
 
Both are actually close in power.

No, they're not.

Xbox Series X is the clear winner.

PS5 will win in better visuals via it's exclusives.

Maybe, but subjective.

PS5 will hit 10 million sold 1st and win another gen by a landslide.

Maybe, but Microsoft already has more monthly active users playing Xbox games. Living room consoles is only one way to play games... thankfully, Microsoft gets that.

Volume of consoles is one metric... but not really the most important one.
 
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Who said there is no bias? EVERYONE has a bias, my bias used to be towards xbox (this used to be called teamxbox remember?) and that changed because of choices that MS made. It would seem that unlike you I'm able to change my mind about something if I don't like where it's going, you have an xbox bias and that's fine I wouldn't expect you not to because of where we are but you claiming other people having a bias as if you don't is rich.

What about saying PS5 does have some advantages is picking and choosing? it does and that's a fact but that doesn't mean anyone is saying it's more powerful or as powerful as the XSX overall but some of you seem to want that to be what we've said because you are overly defensive for some reason.
You saying PS5 has its advantages in this scenario is like asking your opponent in a fist fight if you can use a bat cause his muscles is too big. Lol.

The advantages you mention won't do anything meaningful to close the gap my dude. That's just the bare bones, unadulterated truth. Its done. Sony will resort to doing what they do best with their brand of games which have seen massive success! They just have the weaker console from the gate. Doesn't mean it won't deliver bangers though.

Microsoft still has some work to do in the first party department. But I have no doubts they'll also have a stellar generation with all the new studios and talent.
 
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I haven't seen him making a point that they are extremely close please do show me where he said this.

He basically said XSX is more powerful in every way which is not true.

Saying both will look good or have great games is typical stuff a fanboy says on other forums do to try not and be obvious.
Ok, I'll amend. He said they were perceptually close.
 
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Both of these statements are true:

1. Xbox Series X has MUCH better hardware than PS5.

2. The visuals won't look THAT much better on the X.


Xbox Series X is superior to PS5. The 40% increase in CU's, higher sustained GPU, CPU, and MEM performance all equate to a demonstrably superior console in terms of power. Every frame the PS5 ever renders could be rendered exactly the same (or better) on Xbox Series X, and it could be rendered FASTER on the X. There's litterally nothing the PS5 could render that the X can't (better, and faster).

But despite the clear hardware superiority the X enjoys, the net/net visuals (while always better in apple's to apple's comparisons on the X) won't be dramatically different. Most people won't be able to tell much a difference at all.
 
Zombiesareucrazy has been one of the most level headed posters on the forum. To call him some kind of MS defender is off base imo.
 
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Just because they’re Xbox centric doesn’t mean that they’re lying.
Should we believe everything that NXGamer or Foxy gamer says? Or how about MBG who said that the PS5 was verified to be 13.3 TFs?
But they were and have lied.
A whole discord(they are in) Xbox Era is literally dedicated to spreading fud.

NX has been on point and has no biased.
Foxy is a huge PS fan which he admits.
Don't know who MBG is but he was obviously wrong.
 
Posts like this should be removed.
I was joking. I was having fun watching you and JinCa.

You guys have made this thread go to 21 pages and 627 posts in a week. It's like a Netflix series that I can't put down. I just need to run and grab more popcorn and continue to watch the show!

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I was joking. I was having fun watching you and JinCa.

You guys have made this thread go to 21 pages and 627 posts in a week. It's like a Netflix series that I can't put down. I just need to run and grab more popcorn and continue to watch the show!

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fair enough
 
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Oh, here is one way the games that we play will get huge visual improvements while having high framerates. Awesome stuff.



That's really cool, sadly that's Nvidia stuff and from what I've been reading the AMD GPU's in the next gen consoles don't have the dedicated hardware for it, they may support something similar but from what I'm reading it doesn't sound like they can just run this on dedicated hardware and not have it take away resources needed for other tasks the way Nvidia's set up can. That may not be totally accurate but that's just what I've been reading since seeing that video this morning.
 
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