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Friends of Jason Schrier and the Crytek dev with no dev kit...who've either complained about DX12 or talked about ease of using Sonys mature open source tools. That stuff I consider fair.
Some people on the internets have been trying to connect the dots that there's issues and bottlenecks with throughput...even though devs going on record either don't mention it or have praised it.
He never claimed he had the dev kit. Always claimed that it was what his developer friends who are developing for both are saying.
Your basis of “facts” goes by such standards as what box has the most articles=more credibility and other sorts of non-factual hilarity. What we do know however is actual developers saying they are down-clocking PS5’s CPU in order to max out its GPU. Seems like that sort of massive issue with the variable rates PS5 offers would hold your concern more than the faster RAM setup of the XSX because a couple gigs run slower. Nevermind also, the DF people are on the record as saying the XSX RAM setup is superior to PS5’s.
I haven't seen any devs that actually work on both saying any such thing.
If DF did say that than LOL and the biased is real.
Thankfully they aren't devs.
A couple isn't 6 it's 2.
He doesn't have to claim to have a kit.
He was well aware of what both offered and got fired for spilling the beans.
One of his games is getting enhancements for XSX and PS5.
I won't tell you what it is but I will give you a clue...
It came out on Xbox after the PC and B4 the PS4.
Mentioning this because HE made the game and was working on BOTH XSX/PS5 for the enhancements.
Which devs working on both consoles have gone on record to specifically say the PS5 has a better memory setup to contradict DF? The verified Resetera tech experts who claimed this also said X is bottlenecked by its audio solution...which seems like a reach.
I don't know about it being bottle-necked when it can pull from the slower pool of ram unless I am missing something? Maybe some cores or threads also need to be used?
Off point a bit but I expect both machines audio to blow us away.
Also Red Tech Gaming and two other people that have videos posted in this thread.
8 minutes-finish get educated
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Don't take the.....
Too late.
Anyways I've got my fill. This is like when you know you've already had too much to drink but your friends talk you into another 4 shots. I shouldn't have re-engaged from the mud. Nothing good can come of it.
Devs are going on record about the exciting potential of the Series X and they're being specific about it. If someone would prefer to listen to NX Gamer - YouTube Superstar, over devs, let them live their life.
Oh yeah NX gamer as well.. let me edit the above post
More reliable say they are on par with some saying PS5 is better.
IMO XSX has the advantage but I don't think we will ever see much of a difference in 3rd party games and I think PS5 will hands down win in better exclusives/visuals.
Also believe what you want but thus far I am more intrigued by the XSX hardware not just because it has the spec advantage but because of HDR being added to every game,Smart delivery and BC.
Sony has been quiet so who knows if they can match what I like about XSX.
Not a videogame video. Just some really good perspective on videos you see on the internet. Off topic...but maybe not with where this thread has gone.
Point is just because someone sounds really confident and credible in their presentation on the internet, it doesn't make them competent or credible. Using multiple sources that sound good and use circular logic from each other doesn't make the argument more credible. I've continued to ask questions from the linked YouTube videos that are gaps in logic that nobody has been able to fill. They're correct To some people simply because they sound like they are.
Being a good YouTube salesman and actually knowing what the f*** you're talking about aren't the same things.
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The Crysis guy didn't have access to dev kits for both though.
At least that is what I've heard.
Also who are these unnamed devs saying the PS5 is superior? If we don't have any names the opinion is suspect because they could (not saying they are for sure) be 1st party PS5 devs.
Way too many unknowns to say 'devs are saying X > Y.' IMO.
At least that is what I've heard.
Also who are these unnamed devs saying the PS5 is superior? If we don't have any names the opinion is suspect because they could (not saying they are for sure) be 1st party PS5 devs.
Way too many unknowns to say 'devs are saying X > Y.' IMO.
You can have a preference or belief and still be willing to ask questions, try to understand how different perspectives can fit together and be willing to be challenged.
Sometimes people can mix facts we know and fill in the gaps with speculation. What I appreciate about Red Gaming Tech and DF is that they've been historically honest about why they think what they think. They clarify facts vs speculation. Clarify what someone is saying vs what is. DF in particular gets more tangible evidence to make decisions about gaming consoles than anyone else to this point.
That said, there's still gaps in information. We're speculating based on an incomplete picture. Whatever side you come out on is fine. My questions keep going back to how tight the logic loops are. For example, when you claim superior memory setup since graphics can use all 16MB of memory and I ask the question "does the PS5 not use any memory for CPU or OS", then you keep linking me to the same sources who ignore the question I asked. Devil is in the details. Right now we're getting more details from one side.
Sometimes people can mix facts we know and fill in the gaps with speculation. What I appreciate about Red Gaming Tech and DF is that they've been historically honest about why they think what they think. They clarify facts vs speculation. Clarify what someone is saying vs what is. DF in particular gets more tangible evidence to make decisions about gaming consoles than anyone else to this point.
That said, there's still gaps in information. We're speculating based on an incomplete picture. Whatever side you come out on is fine. My questions keep going back to how tight the logic loops are. For example, when you claim superior memory setup since graphics can use all 16MB of memory and I ask the question "does the PS5 not use any memory for CPU or OS", then you keep linking me to the same sources who ignore the question I asked. Devil is in the details. Right now we're getting more details from one side.
^^He has a current gen game that's getting enhancements for the new consoles.
So he's been in the mix...
Who's the unnamed devs saying the opposite? It goes both ways.
So he's been in the mix...
Who's the unnamed devs saying the opposite? It goes both ways.
His details were focused on DX12 and ease of developing. Nobody is shocked if devs prefer mature open source development tools overall or if they able to get up to speed on development quicker as a result. He never commented on power or balance. Instead it was full on "f*** DX12. We're going to max out the PS5 first." YouTubers have since connected their own dots and filled in the gaps to the story. Since some "credible" YouTubers who've been verified at Resetera have repeated each other, this speculation has now become a fact...despite the fact that every one of us had the same access to the same interview where none of what's being concluded was actually said or verified. This guy "got fired for breaking NDA because he spilled the truth" is a YouTube conspiracy theory. He could've easily been fired for being unprofessional and putting a company with financial issues at potential risk with one of its potential partners.
Still haven't answered the question. Only given me more videos that say the same thing without answering the details. Those videos answer the question as well as cat meme videos.
I give more f***s about consistency in logic than I do who wins spec wars. Always willing to learn something new and change beliefs. Won't change my buying habits since they aren't based on who wins spec wars.
Anyways...good times Val. Its not that serious. Let's talk about something else.
Doesn't mean he is not biased, and my point still stands. When he made that statement he didn't have dev kits for BOTH. However this is what I've read and it is entirely possible he did have dev kits for both. Would you have any information on that?
I'm not the one believing unnamed devs.
I'm going to hold out till we get more information from verified 3rd party developers.
Actually better, we'll see the games soon. Hearing we won't be able to identify bottlenecks.
It in no way says he's biased that's comical to assume.
The game was on X before PS4. Maybe MS had timed exclusivity?
If so and he was biased it be to MS don't ya think?
Don't want to get into the game or I be telling to much.
Nor will I confirm if it's guessed.(not hard to figure out)
We have a named dev and unnamed devs from various sources posted above saying the opposite of what a disgruntled former PlayStation employee claimed who you guessed it had no access to PS5 dev kits.
As posted above.
You're all over here arguing about whether he's biased and I'm here asking....did you even hear what he actually said?
Not sure what you don't understand or are asking.
It's obviously serious to you,let it go or...
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Eww that logo of XSX! PS5 is ugly as well wth.
remove those things
What hes said been posted and people like you try and spin it away.
Both will be beasts. Seems like you have a problem accepting how close they are.
Well yeah if we compare the crappy consoles we have now we likely won't at 1st.Actually better, we'll see the games soon. Hearing we won't be able to identify bottlenecks.
I have no problems accepting anything. Its not that important that there's a major delta. Notice I've never downplayed the Playstation. Check my post history. Pointing out that both systems will have memory occupied by CPU and OS is not downplaying. Its always been a factor and Cerny never indicated anything otherwise this time.
It is interesting, however, that there's more downplaying of Xbox specs than talking up Playstation specs by those who say they're neck in neck.
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