Wii U beats PS4 and Xbox One to fastest selling UK console ever crown!
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I thought the default was to go back to an Art of War reference, or is that only valid for MS? I'm so cornfuzzled.
Totally not true, Ketto, why do you have to act like an ass so often? Lighten up, man.
Here's your deductive argument:
1. PS4's have been produced since August.
2. Xbox One's have only been reported as being manufactured since September.
3. This indicates that Sony has produced more units.
That's a rubbish deductive argument. Units built in August only indicates those units were built in August. It does not in any way imply that Sony was therefore able to produce more units.
Again, I made two claims - both of which are very well supporters claims... So please, tell me where my faulty logic is, and I'll prove you wrong (again).
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Yeah but that's because more people would be able to enjoy their games if Nintendo were to go multiplat.SEGA had no money. Nintendo have a s*** load.
They could kill the U and just live off the DS sales and if they went multiplatform on consoles then a lot of people would suddenly being saying how great some of N's games are.
Like for example Xbox and Playstation only heads.
Personally Nintendo doesn't have anything I'm interested in enough to fork out cash for an extra system... But if they were to release their games on PS and Xbox then I MIGHT give them a shot.
You're so mean Ketto.
I was expecting some good news for Nintendo when I clicked on this thread.
Note that it ends in 2011.
I think 2012 was the first time Nintendo posted a loss.
No doubt they are in a difficult situation now, but the 3DS is going well, and if they can just get the Wii U to about 20 million, they will be cruising.
But seriously, just add up 30 years of profits in the millions and billions and consider how much dough Nintendo actually has available for a rainy day. Sega survived the failure of 2 consoles, 2 handhelds, and 2 add ons all in a row, before throwing in the hardware towel. Nintendo has never lost money on a console until the Wii U. Nintendo might fold, but not any time soon.
Sony announced they sold over 2.1 million units yesterday. That's 9 days after MS announced they sold 1 million. Flynn do you really believe MS shipped another 1,100,000 Xbox Ones last week?
I'm obviously not Flynn but it's possible, not all that probable due to price of X1 and MS' own stock left within the US but it is possible in theory.
I don't honestly know how many we build per day/per month, but I do know that many of the retailers who received second shipments of Xbox One's for Black Friday got the same number of units or even more in some cases than they got on launch day... (and if most retailers got the same or more in the second shipment, then another million sold is easily plausible) ...now, obviously I have no more data than anyone else here about total world-wide numbers, but if the second shipment was as large as the first, then we could easily hit similar numbers, or possibly even more... but I just don't have enough data, and neither does Ketto (who, mind you, posted his illogical assumption prior to this information being released).
Again, all that we know for certain is that demand is very high for both consoles, and they're both selling out of everything they can produce... so the question is, who's producing more, and who's getting more into stores world-wide? Also, I'm really interested in NA sales... very curios how it's looking after Black Friday, and also curious how other stores stack up to the results we've seen from Wallmart & Target.
Edit: Ketto's "some PS4's were manufactured in August" argument is illogical and completely fallacious... but an argument which says, "we know PS4's sold 2+ million units, and X1 sold 1+ million in 24 hours, so maybe Sony's shipped more unit" - is far more credible. While it doesn't "PROVE" Sony's shipped more units, it's a valid indication that they may have sold more WW at this point, but (again) we don't have enough data to claim one way or the other... again, the only valid claims right now are that both are in strong demand, and both are selling out wherever you can get them...
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Males with Pony avatars and Blue hair...been tasting to much rainbows.
LOL MS lost 6 X what Sony made.... MS is prob going to throw the towel in.
Note that it ends in 2011.
I think 2012 was the first time Nintendo posted a loss.
No doubt they are in a difficult situation now, but the 3DS is going well, and if they can just get the Wii U to about 20 million, they will be cruising.
But seriously, just add up 30 years of profits in the millions and billions and consider how much dough Nintendo actually has available for a rainy day. Sega survived the failure of 2 consoles, 2 handhelds, and 2 add ons all in a row, before throwing in the hardware towel. Nintendo has never lost money on a console until the Wii U. Nintendo might fold, but not any time soon.
MS was ready to lose money (probably didn't think it would be that much though), and they Xbox division is quite mature now, they shouldn't see too many red years in the future, except perhaps in the launch year.
I think MS has executed its plan to create a living room gaming/media hub quite well. Not flawlessly or efficiently, but they are more or less there now, and even a solid second place with the X1 would be a win, if people start using the X1 as their entertainment centre.
Xbone and PS4 are both profitable correct? Crazy that Nintendo is the only one taking a loss.
Of course he doesn't. He's worried about his job, as he should be. F*cking corporate shill.
Do you have a source to the contrary? Because I have seen you bring it up often as fact.
Very well supported claims?
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Your definition of "very well supported" is much different than the standard definition to say the least. I asked you what this evidence was and you ignored it for whatever reason. Honestly I would love some numbers from MS; countering a press release with the number of zombies people have killed does nothing.
I mean Sony has been producing since August, they were able to move 2.1M as of Dec 1 while MS was only able to move what? 1m? 1.3m? 1.5m? indications MS was able to produce more units? Again what evidence? Sony sent what? 1m alone to NA during their launch which was more than MS, we know this because MS sent 1m to cover 13 regions. Sony then turned around and sent 250k to UK during it's launch (again more than MS). Sony has since released a statement saying they sold 1.4m units in NA and 750k units in EU. And they still have another 200-350k units for Asia's (Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and Malaysia) launch.
So I ask you in earnest...what indications are there again that MS produced more units? Because it sure hasn't been reflected in sales. I asked you for evidence early and you wholeheartedly ignored it.
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Xbox One sold really well considering the initial reveal. Both consoles are doing well for themselves and XB1 is still managing to sell out of stock in most of NA, just at a slower rate than PS4 sells out. Europe it doesn't look like there's as much demand for Xbox but that was already known in advance.
I wouldn't expect MS to be forthcoming with sales figures anytime soon. MS PR is dodging numbers just like they're dodging price/performance questions.
24-48 hr launch estimates:
XB1: ~500-600k NA, 150k UK, ~250-350k other countries
PS4: 1 mil NA, 250k UK, ~450k other countries
We'll have to wait for more reliable numbers for a longer term picture, but the evidence still points to PS4 having both more supply and demand so far. It will take a price cut and more exclusive games for Xbox sales to pick up steam.
That magical 2:1 ratio keeps popping up everywhere. Damn those metrics indicating 33/66% consumer interest and sales. (the other 1% is the Wii U)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-12-03-sony-expected-to-ship-1m-ps4s-per-month
I wouldn't expect MS to be forthcoming with sales figures anytime soon. MS PR is dodging numbers just like they're dodging price/performance questions.
24-48 hr launch estimates:
XB1: ~500-600k NA, 150k UK, ~250-350k other countries
PS4: 1 mil NA, 250k UK, ~450k other countries
We'll have to wait for more reliable numbers for a longer term picture, but the evidence still points to PS4 having both more supply and demand so far. It will take a price cut and more exclusive games for Xbox sales to pick up steam.
That magical 2:1 ratio keeps popping up everywhere. Damn those metrics indicating 33/66% consumer interest and sales. (the other 1% is the Wii U)
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-12-03-sony-expected-to-ship-1m-ps4s-per-month
Not wanting to hate, it's not one of those kinds of posts, but the X1 has been available since the 22nd of Nov, yet even in the US, Day One editions are still being sold (Amazon and BB).
I may be way off base, so correct me if I'm wrong but what this signifies to me is that the X1 is not selling as many units as MS may have hoped? Day One editions 12-13 days after launch?
I may be way off base, so correct me if I'm wrong but what this signifies to me is that the X1 is not selling as many units as MS may have hoped? Day One editions 12-13 days after launch?
A lack of numbers doesn't mean anything is being hidden.
Making, shipping and marketing a few million consoles to millions of customers, thousands of retailers across dozens of countries is not a logistical cakewalk. They surely know what's been produced and a decent idea of what's been shipped where, but I doubt they know exact numbers of what's in stores, what's in warehouses, what's in bonded warehouses, stuck in customs, in store back rooms. or just variously located at any point in the supply channels.
Making, shipping and marketing a few million consoles to millions of customers, thousands of retailers across dozens of countries is not a logistical cakewalk. They surely know what's been produced and a decent idea of what's been shipped where, but I doubt they know exact numbers of what's in stores, what's in warehouses, what's in bonded warehouses, stuck in customs, in store back rooms. or just variously located at any point in the supply channels.