Sony Over 1 million PS4's sold in NA in 24 hours
MS Over 1 million X1's sold in WW in 24 hours
Wii U beats PS4 and Xbox One to fastest selling UK console ever crown!
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MS Over 1 million X1's sold in WW in 24 hours
Learn to read/comprehend.
I specifically said we have no proof of total world-wide-sales lead, no proof of which is in higher demand, and no proof of how many units either company has been able to produce, or how long it took for said units to be produced.
Those are the claims I made... I further made the very well supported claim that both consoles are in high demand, and both are selling out all they can produce. I'm happy to provide the proof of the validity of all of those statements, and I specifically asked you which claim you think there isn't support for, and you quoted something I specifically said there ISN'T good proof for... so seriously, learn to comprehend, man.
As for the evidence that MS *may* have been able to produce more, I'm hearing more about shipments and refresh of stock for X1 than for PS4 (I see/hear far more about X1 stock refreshes both online and locally). There were more X1's at all of my local retailers than there were of PS4's (roughly 20%-30% more - I know because I asked). There's evidence that Wallmart and Target had significantly more X1's than PS4 (per the study released). Anecdotal and incomplete? Yes... evidence of more being shipped? absolutely. Proof that MS is building more? absolutely not.
All evidence - but surely not proof by any stretch, which is why I claimed as such... so what's your problem?
Edit: Oh, and please tell me what evidence you have to make this ridiculous claim, "it sure hasn't been reflected in sales." - I'd *LOVE* to hear your reasoning for that...
Bottom line, my initial statements all hold completely true:
1. Both systems are in high demand.
2. Both systems are selling all they can produce.
Those are the only provable facts... and as many others have pointed out, squabbling over sales right now is ridiculous and meaningless.
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Sony is losing money on hardware as well but they said it's not much so it's likely that after a game or two are purchased they are making money. MS is breaking even or making a small profit at least that's what one of their reps said in an interview.
MS has always been the first one to report sales numbers when things look good for them, the fact that they didn't this time likely means they didn't match what Sony's numbers were and didn't want to put it out there for people to compare. That doesn't mean they aren't doing well on their own but if it didn't match or exceed the competition it's probably not something they want out there.
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We're obviously still getting a fair amount of stock back into stores now, so as long as we're keeping the shipments up and stores are selling through, it doesn't make sense to report on sales... we could report today sell through of 2.2 million, and Sony could report the next day sell through of 2.5 million... and so on... makes it kinda' pointless... and it just sends the zealots into a meaningless frenzy of speculation and argument... which they'll do enough of as it is without meaningful numbers.
Yes, it is:
You claimed:
"[PS4] sold more then X1 in NA so not sure wth you are attempting to lie about."
The fact is:
X1 sold over a million world-wide, and PS4 sold roughly a million in NA on day one, but that does nothing to say what sales are today, nor does it even conclusively indicate that the X1 sales were less even on the first day, since X1 sold over a million on day one, and we don't know total distribution numbers for all countries.
Simple indeed. Your claim is at best unsubstantiated, and at worst false.
It's reasonable to assume that on the first day sales in NA, PS4 sold more than X1 due to different supply quantities, but it's not a fact. You don't have that data, and neither do I. Furthermore, first day sales in a specific region don't mean as much as current sales/LSTD, sales velocity, WW sales, manufacturing quantities, etc, etc, etc, - none of which you have much insight into.
So again, your claim is unsubstantiated. The simple fact is we don't know the sales WW, or per country except for what's been specifically published, like the UK numbers where PS4 clearly won.
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It's pretty simple really. Unless you believe MS shipped and sold over 1,100,000 consoles last week, which is more than they had available at launch (!), than Sony so far has sold more.
There are good reasons to believe that this is incredibly unlikely, in fact unprecedented. Number one, this would mean that this was the first time in history that a company sold more the week after launch than they did at launch. Number two, in the United Kingdom we know the Xbox one sold 150,000 units at launch and 20,000 units the week after launch according to Eurogamer, a very steep drop in sales in traditionally strong Xbox territory. Lastly, there is that weird press release from Microsoft saying how many zombies have been killed while failing to mention how many consoles have been sold. This is very much unlike Microsoft, who loves to talk sales numbers.
Can I see a show of hands of who actually believes this? I honestly think even Flynn doesn't believe this.
There are good reasons to believe that this is incredibly unlikely, in fact unprecedented. Number one, this would mean that this was the first time in history that a company sold more the week after launch than they did at launch. Number two, in the United Kingdom we know the Xbox one sold 150,000 units at launch and 20,000 units the week after launch according to Eurogamer, a very steep drop in sales in traditionally strong Xbox territory. Lastly, there is that weird press release from Microsoft saying how many zombies have been killed while failing to mention how many consoles have been sold. This is very much unlike Microsoft, who loves to talk sales numbers.
Can I see a show of hands of who actually believes this? I honestly think even Flynn doesn't believe this.
It's either this.
X1 is not selling well (maybe that 1 million within 24 hrs is shipped numbers; not sold) or Microsoft is simply supplying more than Sony to meet demand in NA.
Hopefully an announcement from MS with positive news like Sony did a couple days ago.
X1 is not selling well (maybe that 1 million within 24 hrs is shipped numbers; not sold) or Microsoft is simply supplying more than Sony to meet demand in NA.
Hopefully an announcement from MS with positive news like Sony did a couple days ago.
Roughly a million in 24 hours!? LOL OVER a million in 24 hours in NA ALONE.
X1 over a million WORD WIDE in 24 hours.
The links show this to be the case...what you are claiming in linkless and wrong.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=roughl...RM=QBLH&cvid=46555aec88104f1e8ae927ad23f54b99
Roughly:
1.approximately: as a fairly close estimate, or in a manner that is broadly correct but without any claim to exactness
"OVER 1 million" sold, therefore, is factually synonymous with "roughly 1 million" sold.
Even still - OVER 1 million for PS4 on day 1 in NA and OVER 1 million X1's on day 1 does not indicate who currently has sold the most in North America... nor does it even 100% conclusively prove that PS4 sold more on launch day than X1, and even if it implies as such, it doesn't indicate by how much... so again, your claim is baseless at best, false at worst.
Roughly:
1.approximately: as a fairly close estimate, or in a manner that is broadly correct but without any claim to exactness
"OVER 1 million" sold, therefore, is factually synonymous with "roughly 1 million" sold.
Even still - OVER 1 million for PS4 on day 1 in NA and OVER 1 million X1's on day 1 does not indicate who currently has sold the most in North America... nor does it even 100% conclusively prove that PS4 sold more on launch day than X1, and even if it implies as such, it doesn't indicate by how much... so again, your claim is baseless at best, false at worst.
If MS moved more units in NA, they would have told us by now since they now know per Sony's own statement that as of Dec 1 Sony sold 1.4m units in NA. MS' silence on the issue speaks volumes.
You state one thing that is no proof of which company is producing more (which no one can argue), then turn around and state you have "evidence" that shows MS is producing more (which is what's being argued). Sorry but your "evidence" is all...well s*** to say the least. The fact that you've tried in complete earnest to argue your anecdotal evidence and stuff you've "heard" and have attempted to present it as some kind of proof is just hilariously sad. And is being dismissed for what it is...crap.
No offense, but s*** you "hear" isn't evidence at all. Get out of here with this "I heard" BS, this ain't Gamefaqs. And lol at admitting it's anecdotal evidence and yet still trying to push it as real "evidence". I pray you're never on jury duty for a murder case. I mean If we're going by such meaningless evidence. I "heard" that PS4 is moving units at a rate of 2:1 to Xbox One (see what I did there?). You try to make a connection between Walmart and Target BF news into some correlation that it means that more XBO are being produced, completely and purposefully ignoring the fact MS didn't send that many XBO to NA period. If only say 600k units were sent to NA comparison to the 1m for PS4. Then no you stating Walmart/Target BF news is evidence is completely unfounded. Because MS was at a deficit compared to the number of units moved by Sony in the first place; you moved 400k less units than Sony did in the same time period. One could just as easily argue that Sony's initial shipment of 1m units + the additional 400k units pretty dismisses your "evidence".
I mean if you really did produce more units, and they're selling as soon as you produce them....then surely MS would have made a statement saying. MS has yet to counter Sony's numbers with their own speaks volumes; and definitely doesn't inspire confidence in the belief that MS is producing and selling more units. If we're really going to throw s*** to a wall and see what sticks, I can just as easily counter with my own BS and say "herp derp, the reason you see XBox Ones' in stores is because they're slow to sell, I've seen Day One editions in stores, and it was reported online complete with photos. So obviously you'd "hear" about Xbox Ones being in stock, because ain't no one buying them! /bs".
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Because ancedotal evidence and "I heard" doesn't mean s***? Thus I call you out on it. You haven't presented evidence at all, do you even know what anecdotal evidence means in comparison to actual evidence? I mean seriously. This is just sad Flynn even for you.
Because MS unlike Sony at least during PS3/360 era has always been very quick to brag about their numbers as compared to Sony who releases utterly pointless PR statements that never have anything to do with NPDs or anything else. The fact that Microsoft counters Sony's 2.1m press release with the number of zombies people have killed along with a lol precanned statement of "we're selling them as fast as we make them! Best Xbox launch in history!" pretty much says it all. Best Xbox launch? That's very good to hear, but last time I checked, PS4 did much better than the last Xbox launch by a very big metric. This is dangerously close to Sony's horrible PR statements that they use in response to MS having better numbers when NPDs are released.
No one is even questioning those two statements, stop deflecting back to them. I'm asking you specifically about this.
And as you have shown us, there clearly is no "evidence" just conjecture and wishful thinking, neither of which have any place in a discussion about numbers.
In closing arguing over sales is always ridiculous and ultimately meaningless to end users, that has never stopped you from doing such before ad nauseam back on Teamxbox. And I'm sure if MS were the one to announce they sold 2.1m units and Sony said nothing you'd never shut up about it. Which is also your calling card from TXB's NPD thread days.
If you do work at MS (rolleyes) spend less time rowing the company line and more time collecting feedback from us and making Xbox One a better product. It'll take you alot farther in the company.
You state one thing that is no proof of which company is producing more (which no one can argue), then turn around and state you have "evidence" that shows MS is producing more (which is what's being argued). Sorry but your "evidence" is all...well s*** to say the least. The fact that you've tried in complete earnest to argue your anecdotal evidence and stuff you've "heard" and have attempted to present it as some kind of proof is just hilariously sad. And is being dismissed for what it is...crap.
No offense, but s*** you "hear" isn't evidence at all. Get out of here with this "I heard" BS, this ain't Gamefaqs. And lol at admitting it's anecdotal evidence and yet still trying to push it as real "evidence". I pray you're never on jury duty for a murder case. I mean If we're going by such meaningless evidence. I "heard" that PS4 is moving units at a rate of 2:1 to Xbox One (see what I did there?). You try to make a connection between Walmart and Target BF news into some correlation that it means that more XBO are being produced, completely and purposefully ignoring the fact MS didn't send that many XBO to NA period. If only say 600k units were sent to NA comparison to the 1m for PS4. Then no you stating Walmart/Target BF news is evidence is completely unfounded. Because MS was at a deficit compared to the number of units moved by Sony in the first place; you moved 400k less units than Sony did in the same time period. One could just as easily argue that Sony's initial shipment of 1m units + the additional 400k units pretty dismisses your "evidence".
I mean if you really did produce more units, and they're selling as soon as you produce them....then surely MS would have made a statement saying. MS has yet to counter Sony's numbers with their own speaks volumes; and definitely doesn't inspire confidence in the belief that MS is producing and selling more units. If we're really going to throw s*** to a wall and see what sticks, I can just as easily counter with my own BS and say "herp derp, the reason you see XBox Ones' in stores is because they're slow to sell, I've seen Day One editions in stores, and it was reported online complete with photos. So obviously you'd "hear" about Xbox Ones being in stock, because ain't no one buying them! /bs".
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Because ancedotal evidence and "I heard" doesn't mean s***? Thus I call you out on it. You haven't presented evidence at all, do you even know what anecdotal evidence means in comparison to actual evidence? I mean seriously. This is just sad Flynn even for you.
Because MS unlike Sony at least during PS3/360 era has always been very quick to brag about their numbers as compared to Sony who releases utterly pointless PR statements that never have anything to do with NPDs or anything else. The fact that Microsoft counters Sony's 2.1m press release with the number of zombies people have killed along with a lol precanned statement of "we're selling them as fast as we make them! Best Xbox launch in history!" pretty much says it all. Best Xbox launch? That's very good to hear, but last time I checked, PS4 did much better than the last Xbox launch by a very big metric. This is dangerously close to Sony's horrible PR statements that they use in response to MS having better numbers when NPDs are released.
No one is even questioning those two statements, stop deflecting back to them. I'm asking you specifically about this.
And as you have shown us, there clearly is no "evidence" just conjecture and wishful thinking, neither of which have any place in a discussion about numbers.
In closing arguing over sales is always ridiculous and ultimately meaningless to end users, that has never stopped you from doing such before ad nauseam back on Teamxbox. And I'm sure if MS were the one to announce they sold 2.1m units and Sony said nothing you'd never shut up about it. Which is also your calling card from TXB's NPD thread days.
If you do work at MS (rolleyes) spend less time rowing the company line and more time collecting feedback from us and making Xbox One a better product. It'll take you alot farther in the company.
In your opinion, yes.
Again, learn to comprehend, Ketto. You’e claiming something completely false. I specifically brush off my own anecdotal evidence as NOT being proof of anything, and reference it more to illustrate examples of what’s NOT proof. I don’t know how I can be clearer about that.
No offense taken. Until you can competently understand my position, your words on the matter are pretty empty. Again, I specifically state that anecdotal evidence is proof of nothing.
Exactly, which is why my position is to stick to the facts:
1. There’s high demand for both
2. Both Sony and MS seem to be selling out anything they can produce.
Very modest, and provable claims.
Again, you’re actually providing nothing but agreement for my position.
Anecdotal evidence is not proof of anything, as I’ve stated. We agree… you just can’t seem to comprehend that, and I’m not sure why it’s so hard for you to do so… bad day at work?
Bad assumption, Ketto. Player metrics aren’t released as a “response” to Sony in any way, shape or form… that’s just a gross misconception on your part. MS doesn’t sit around waiting for Sony to release information, and then jump to respond. Releasing player data has been planned for months and years – it’s part of the fiber/DNA of the system to track user data safely and anonymously… it wasn’t in ‘response’ to Sony at all, that’s just your baseless assertion.
To which I’ve specifically answered. Evidence is proof of nothing. You and I agree.
This is false. There is ‘evidence’, as I’ve shown, but it’s anecdotal, and doesn’t provide proof of anything. Never the less, it’s not conjecture, that’s just false (again).
Well, Ketto, you may never grow or mature – but some of us do.
Oh, don’t you know? I do… all the time… just from people whose opinions I care about… and yours isn’t one of them. As I’ve mentioned before, I’d HAPPILY ignore you if I could… too bad you have to be such a jerk all the time, and you can’t just have a relaxed, rational conversation...
In closing, as I stated from the beginning:
1. Both systems are in high demand
2. Both systems are continually selling the stock that’s being supplied.
Modest claims, which are backed by plenty of facts.
I’ll wait a few months before caring about PR sales numbers… right now, I’m just thrilled to see that we’re continually pumping out more units, refilling stock weekly/daily in some cases, and we continue to sell out of the stock we provide… not to mention, I’ve been a huge contributor to the millions of zombies killed, the countless hours of entertainment watched, and the millions of miles raced… I’m loving my X1, and I finally got my PS4 sold… $470. Not bad… a far cry from the 500+ I was hoping for, but hey – it’s not bad.
Edit: Oh, and one last thing... as I mentioned in my post which got you all up in a flurry apparently:
I look forward to getting more facts, and hearing the information as it comes through... but I've got enough common sense to know that it's not worth putting a stake in the ground to make any claims about initial victors or sell-through numbers... as others have mentioned, this is not a sprint... demand is awesomely high for both, both companies seem to be selling out of everything they can produce - and I can't wait to see how this gen goes. It's probably the most exciting generation I've ever seen/been a part of... competition is great for us, the industry, and the consumers... I love that Sony came to the table with a real winner... I obviously hope we win, but this will be a great fight.
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Its pretty awesome that both MS and Sony are doing their best to make sure people that want a system by Christmas will most likely get it.
Very true. This is easily the best (combined) system launch I've ever seen. Huge congrats to both Sony and Microsoft (IMHO) for doing a great job getting so many units out there.
This.
We know Sony has sold at least 1.4 million units in NA. Where is Microsoft's press release with actual numbers?
The silence does speak volumes. Can we cut the crap with the secrecy stuff. We've been hearing this sh*t for months now from certain people. It's always some new secret that Microsoft is holding close to their chest. There is some secret power or some secret this, secret that. Having higher sales numbers than your competition is not some secret that any company holds close to their chest.
It's your opinion that it speaks volumes, but I'm not sure I'd agree.
I don't think anyone's claiming "secret" crap of any kind... that's not the impression I'm getting. The claim I'm making (and seeing others make) is simply that data is changing rapidly and constantly, so releasing information now is inherently incomplete, and immediately outdated... not to mention it's ultimately not meaningful. Sell through of the holiday season (both WW and NA) will be interesting come January, and post January, the month-to-month sell through's both WW and in NA will be interesting... but for now, too much is changing too rapidly... though I know the fanboys want the play-by-play, I'm not sure it's in anyone's best interest to spend cycles fueling those fires/arguments.
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I'm sure the X1 is selling well but "The best xbox launch in history" is pretty meaningless considering they've never really had a great one before. I don't mean to say there was no demand for the 360 but they rushed to market before they had any real supply built up.
LOL indeed .
I just called the places they mention, and ALL of them are sold out.
Besides, just because they have stock doesn't mean they keep it... Nor does it imply how long they've had it.
No, that's a fluff piece for trolls. Looks like it's working.
Cool story and all, but as I stated; don't say you have "evidence" then when asked to present such you give out baseless conjecture, internet rambling and grapevine stories especially in a thread about numbers.
And yes competition is good and I too await for the NPD and PR statements.
Ketto, you need a vocab lesson.
I factually provided evidence, not proof - and I used my own evidence to show how meaningless the evidence we have is.
I won't argue the definition of evidence with you, because you're simply factually mistaken... But hey, if that's what you need to tell yourself so you don't feel too embarrassed, go for it.
Sounds like we largely agree, you just don't want to admit it, and would rather squabble over meaningless crap.
Go for it, bro.
I factually provided evidence, not proof - and I used my own evidence to show how meaningless the evidence we have is.
I won't argue the definition of evidence with you, because you're simply factually mistaken... But hey, if that's what you need to tell yourself so you don't feel too embarrassed, go for it.
Sounds like we largely agree, you just don't want to admit it, and would rather squabble over meaningless crap.
Go for it, bro.