Sony Over 1 million PS4's sold in NA in 24 hoursSource?
MS Over 1 million X1's sold in WW in 24 hours
Sony Over 1 million PS4's sold in NA in 24 hoursSource?
Very well supported claims?
Your definition of "very well supported" is much different than the standard definition to say the least. I asked you what this evidence was and you ignored it for whatever reason. Honestly I would love some numbers from MS; countering a press release with the number of zombies people have killed does nothing.
I mean Sony has been producing since August, they were able to move 2.1M as of Dec 1 while MS was only able to move what? 1m? 1.3m? 1.5m? indications MS was able to produce more units? Again what evidence? Sony sent what? 1m alone to NA during their launch which was more than MS, we know this because MS sent 1m to cover 13 regions. Sony then turned around and sent 250k to UK during it's launch (again more than MS). Sony has since released a statement saying they sold 1.4m units in NA and 750k units in EU. And they still have another 200-350k units for Asia's (Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and Malaysia) launch.
So I ask you in earnest...what indications are there again that MS produced more units? Because it sure hasn't been reflected in sales. I asked you for evidence early and you wholeheartedly ignored it.
Sony Over 1 million PS4's sold in NA in 24 hours
MS Over 1 million X1's sold in WW in 24 hours
Xbone and PS4 are both profitable correct? Crazy that Nintendo is the only one taking a loss.
Not to mention timing. By the time they have something to give the press, the number is outdated and the competition can come out 2 days later and appear to have a lead because their numbers are more recent.
its pretty simple actually
Yes, it is:
You claimed:
"[PS4] sold more then X1 in NA so not sure wth you are attempting to lie about."
The fact is:
X1 sold over a million world-wide, and PS4 sold roughly a million in NA on day one, but that does nothing to say what sales are today, nor does it even conclusively indicate that the X1 sales were less even on the first day, since X1 sold over a million on day one, and we don't know total distribution numbers for all countries.
Simple indeed. Your claim is at best unsubstantiated, and at worst false.
It's reasonable to assume that on the first day sales in NA, PS4 sold more than X1 due to different supply quantities, but it's not a fact. You don't have that data, and neither do I. Furthermore, first day sales in a specific region don't mean as much as current sales/LSTD, sales velocity, WW sales, manufacturing quantities, etc, etc, etc, - none of which you have much insight into.
So again, your claim is unsubstantiated. The simple fact is we don't know the sales WW, or per country except for what's been specifically published, like the UK numbers where PS4 clearly won.
Learn to read/comprehend.
I specifically said we have no proof of total world-wide-sales lead, no proof of which is in higher demand, and no proof of how many units either company has been able to produce, or how long it took for said units to be produced.
Those are the claims I made... I further made the very well supported claim that both consoles are in high demand, and both are selling out all they can produce. I'm happy to provide the proof of the validity of all of those statements, and I specifically asked you which claim you think there isn't support for, and you quoted something I specifically said there ISN'T good proof for... so seriously, learn to comprehend, man.
As for the evidence that MS *may* have been able to produce more, I'm hearing more about shipments and refresh of stock for X1 than for PS4 (I see/hear far more about X1 stock refreshes both online and locally). There were more X1's at all of my local retailers than there were of PS4's (roughly 20%-30% more - I know because I asked). There's evidence that Walmart and Target had significantly more X1's than PS4 (per the study released). Anecdotal and incomplete? Yes... evidence of more being shipped? absolutely. Proof that MS is building more? absolutely not.
All evidence - but surely not proof by any stretch, which is why I claimed as such... so what's your problem?
Edit: Oh, and please tell me what evidence you have to make this ridiculous claim, "it sure hasn't been reflected in sales." - I'd *LOVE* to hear your reasoning for that...
Bottom line, my initial statements all hold completely true:
1. Both systems are in high demand.
2. Both systems are selling all they can produce.
Those are the only provable facts... and as many others have pointed out, squabbling over sales right now is ridiculous and meaningless.
There are some indications that Microsoft might have been able to produce more units, but there's no proof at all... just some evidence
If MS moved more units in NA, they would have told us by now since they now know per Sony's own statement that as of Dec 1 Sony sold 1.4m units in NA. MS' silence on the issue speaks volumes.
You state one thing that is no proof of which company is producing more (which no one can argue), then turn around and state you have "evidence" that shows MS is producing more (which is what's being argued). Sorry but your "evidence" is all...well s*** to say the least. The fact that you've tried in complete earnest to argue your anecdotal evidence and stuff you've "heard" and have attempted to present it as some kind of proof is just hilariously sad.
No offense, but s*** you "hear" isn't evidence at all. Get out of here with this "I heard" BS, this ain't Gamefaqs. And lol at admitting it's anecdotal evidence and yet still trying to push it as real "evidence". I pray you're never on jury duty for a murder case. I mean If we're going by such meaningless evidence. I "heard" that PS4 is moving units at a rate of 2:1 to Xbox One (see what I did there?). You try to make a connection between Walmart and Target BF news into some correlation that it means that more XBO are being produced, completely and purposefully ignoring the fact MS didn't send that many XBO to NA period. If only say 600k units were sent to NA comparison to the 1m for PS4. Then no you stating Walmart/Target BF news is evidence is completely unfounded. Because MS was at a deficit compared to the number of units moved by Sony in the first place; you moved 400k less units than Sony did in the same time period. One could just as easily argue that Sony's initial shipment of 1m units + the additional 400k units pretty dismisses your "evidence".
I mean if you really did produce more units, and they're selling as soon as you produce them....then surely MS would have made a statement saying. MS has yet to counter Sony's numbers with their own speaks volumes; and definitely doesn't inspire confidence in the belief that MS is producing and selling more units. If we're really going to throw s*** to a wall and see what sticks, I can just as easily counter with my own BS and say "herp derp, the reason you see XBox Ones' in stores is because they're slow to sell, I've seen Day One editions in stores, and it was reported online complete with photos. So obviously you'd "hear" about Xbox Ones being in stock, because ain't no one buying them! /bs".
Because ancedotal evidence and "I heard" doesn't mean s***? Thus I call you out on it. You haven't presented evidence at all, do you even know what anecdotal evidence means in comparison to actual evidence? I mean seriously. This is just sad Flynn even for you.
Because MS unlike Sony at least during PS3/360 era has always been very quick to brag about their numbers as compared to Sony who releases utterly pointless PR statements that never have anything to do with NPDs or anything else. The fact that Microsoft counters Sony's 2.1m press release with the number of zombies people have killed along with a lol precanned statement of "we're selling them as fast as we make them! Best Xbox launch in history!" pretty much says it all. Best Xbox launch? That's very good to hear, but last time I checked, PS4 did much better than the last Xbox launch by a very big metric. This is dangerously close to Sony's horrible PR statements that they use in response to MS having better numbers when NPDs are released.
No one is even questioning those two statements, stop deflecting back to them. I'm asking you specifically about this.
And as you have shown us, there clearly is no "evidence" just conjecture and wishful thinking, neither of which have any place in a discussion about numbers.
In closing arguing over sales is always ridiculous and ultimately meaningless to end users, that has never stopped you from doing such before ad nauseam back on Teamxbox. And I'm sure if MS were the one to announce they sold 2.1m units and Sony said nothing you'd never shut up about it. Which is also your calling card from TXB's NPD thread days.
If you do work at MS (rolleyes) spend less time rowing the company line and more time collecting feedback from us and making Xbox One a better product. It'll take you alot farther in the company.
...but there's no proof as to who's selling more, which console is in higher demand, and/or which console has more world-wide sales... at least, not that I'm aware of... but I'm happy to be proven wrong. :-)
Its pretty awesome that both MS and Sony are doing their best to make sure people that want a system by Christmas will most likely get it.
If MS moved more units in NA, they would have told us by now since they now know per Sony's own statement that as of Dec 1 Sony sold 1.4m units in NA. MS' silence on the issue speaks volumes.
This.
We know Sony has sold at least 1.4 million units in NA. Where is Microsoft's press release with actual numbers?
The silence does speak volumes. Can we cut the crap with the secrecy stuff. We've been hearing this sh*t for months now from certain people. It's always some new secret that Microsoft is holding close to their chest. There is some secret power or some secret this, secret that. Having higher sales numbers than your competition is not some secret that any company holds close to their chest.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/17/sony-sells-over-1-million-playstation-4-consoles-in-first-day/http://www.bing.com/search?q=roughly definition&qs=AS&pq=roughly de&sc=3-10&sp=1&FORM=QBLH&cvid=46555aec88104f1e8ae927ad23f54b99
Roughly:
1.approximately: as a fairly close estimate, or in a manner that is broadly correct but without any claim to exactness
"OVER 1 million" sold, therefore, is factually synonymous with "roughly 1 million" sold.
Even still - OVER 1 million for PS4 on day 1 in NA and OVER 1 million X1's on day 1 does not indicate who currently has sold the most in North America... nor does it even 100% conclusively prove that PS4 sold more on launch day than X1, and even if it implies as such, it doesn't indicate by how much... so again, your claim is baseless at best, false at worst.
LOL indeed .lolz
No, that's a fluff piece for trolls. Looks like it's working.
Words.