Microsoft sells 2,000,000 Xbox One's in 18 days.

Phuque said:
The same direction they have taken the last few generations. Invest heavily in exclusives in the beginning of the generation to draw folks in and then a divest from that practice late in the generation and allow third parties to carry the water.
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Only two last generations, so not "few". I don't remember them doing that either on their first outing. I agree about 360, but why worry about the end of a generation over 5 years from now? Sony OTOH, supports PS3 with exclusives still, but at the cost of leaving their PS4 launch high and dry. I can't say that is really a better strategy, but that's my opinion.
 
Phuque said:
They could have put Xbox on a literal brick and sold 800,000 out of the gate.



The same direction they have taken the last few generations. Invest heavily in exclusives in the beginning of the generation to draw folks in and then a divest from that practice late in the generation and allow third parties to carry the water.
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The original XBox wasn't like that. They just dropped it as soon as the 360 launched due to it never making the money and a fall out with Intell
And the first party support only dried up last year. Not bad for 8 years.
 
The metrics were 3:1 or 4:1 pre-DRM 180, a distinction I've pointed out many times that continues to be ignored. It changed to 2:1 post-180. It hasn't been 3:1 or 4:1 for a long time, but that doesn't stop posters like "intellivision" from flagrantly lying about "all the polls said 4:1 and they were wrong!".

PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.

The metrics continue to be accurate despite people's inability to comprehend them and despite the childish insults and behavior in this thread towards me. Blatant, obvious insults, trolling, false accusations, and strawmen are par for the course on this forum, though.

They're still supply constrained for the most part. Nobody reasonable looks at "sales per day" in a supply constrained launch, it's a meaningless PR figure. Global sales are the most accurate, not cherry picking countries where one sold more than the other or # of countries launched in. MS is trying to put most supply in the largest markets while Sony is more spread out, that's all.

"I'm waiting for Consolewarz to tell us that 'this doesn't go along with the current metrics I have seen'" It does go with the metrics for the most part, but you failed to comprehend them and construct imaginary strawmen instead.

"But...but Patcher said they wouldn't sell????" You knowingly and repeatedly make trollish false accusations and strawman attacks. You did the exact same malicious trolling in this thread yesterday.
 
As long as they are selling every stock, its pretty much useless to talk out who is winning.

At best, we can say they are meeting demand, & demand is higher than the consoles the can supply, at the moment.

The only one that should panic is Nintendo on their Wii U.
 
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2:1 means PS4 has sold 4 million consoles.

*waits for Sony to announce 4 million units sold*

*could be waiting awhile*
 
I think what is suprising is we've been told many times the the only people buying around launch is hardcore gamers. Well there looks to be a pretty even split what console the hardcore gamers are picking up. If MS can maintain or even stay within touching distance of sony with core gamers then things are looking pretty rosy for the X1, because out of the 2 consoles I'd say MS are bessed placed to pick up the casual and family markets with their broad entertainment strategy. You only have to look at the Sony tv ads to see they're marketing to the gamers so I don't think they'll be selling to too many families or casuals.
Then next spring MS have arguably the only next gen killer app so far announced, Titanfall.
I also believe that many former 360 gamers who have jumped ship are looking back at X1 regretting their decision to go Sony and will be trading in their PS4 once the luster has faded with the PS4. People at the minute are blinded by higher res and empty promises. Once all the fuss has died down and people realise there isn't a night and day difference between the visuals on both consoles, ex 360 players will migrate back to Xbox for the pad, dedicated servers, MS exclusives and superior entertainment apps.
That's my two pennies worth.
 
consolewarz said:
The metrics were 3:1 or 4:1 pre-DRM 180, a distinction I've pointed out many times that continues to be ignored. It changed to 2:1 post-180. It hasn't been 3:1 or 4:1 for a long time, but that doesn't stop posters like "intellivision" from flagrantly lying about "all the polls said 4:1 and they were wrong!".
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I think it's more accurate to say that the gap had been closing over time than being tied specifically to one particular event.

PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.
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"Likely"? I guess it's a lot easier to make your numbers add up if you just assume them. Also when you fail to take into consideration that Sony had a week head start. The fact is that over the same basic period of time, MS sold 2 million and Sony sold 2.1 million. I don't care what fuzzy you use that doesn't add up to 2:1.

From: http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/11/technology/xbox-one-sales/index.html
Though the rivals are essentially neck and neck after two and a half weeks of sales, thePS4 went on sale in fewer markets at launch. Sony only sold the PS4 in the United States and Canada until Nov. 29, when it expanded to Australia, New Zealand and most European countries. The Xbox launched in 13 markets including Australia, Austria, Brazil, Canada, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Spain, United Kingdom, United States and New Zealand.
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The key phrase there is neck and neck. How many markets they are opening in doesn't seem to matter as much when they are selling out of their stock. That's why we're not really going to be able to see any real differences until next year. It will likely manifest itself in whose demand begins to slack off first.
 
KEM said:
I think it's more accurate to say that the gap had been closing over time than being tied specifically to one particular event.

"Likely"? I guess it's a lot easier to make your numbers add up if you just assume them. Also when you fail to take into consideration that Sony had a week head start. The fact is that over the same basic period of time, MS sold 2 million and Sony sold 2.1 million. I don't care what fuzzy you use that doesn't add up to 2:1.

From: http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/11/technology/xbox-one-sales/index.html
The key phrase there is neck and neck. How many markets they are opening in doesn't seem to matter as much when they are selling out of their stock. That's why we're not really going to be able to see any real differences until next year. It will likely manifest itself in whose demand begins to slack off first.
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My personal favorite is this :

Mr Metrics said:
PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.
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lol
 
Wow, people are way, way, way over analyzing things. Both are doing well so far and that is good for gamers and gaming. That is all we can really take away from it right now.

Both companies are selling their units as fast as they can make them at this point. Demand is significantly great than supply right now, and until that changes, we won't have any clue as to what the situation really is.

Maybe if there were enough units available, the Xbox would have sold 10 mil and the PS4 only 3 mil. Maybe the PS4 would have sold 10 mil and the Xbox One only 3 mil. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. Anybody trying to twist these numbers in their favor is just being a fanboy at this point.

I don't think it really matters that Sony sold more in N.A. in the first week than the Xbox One did, because Microsoft had to spread out its allocation, and that just mean more people in N.A. were turned down for Xbox One's and have to continue to wait.

And vice versa, I wouldn't really use the fact that Sony is in more countries as an explanation as to why it has sold 2.1 mil in 15 or 16 or 17 days. That just means that more people in the UK or N.A. were turned down for PS4's and have to continue to wait.
 
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Mr. Titan said:
Wow, people are way, way, way over analyzing things. Both are doing well so far and that is good for gamers and gaming. That is all we can really take away from it right now.

Both companies are selling their units as fast as they can make them at this point. Demand is significantly great than supply right now, and until that changes, we won't have any clue as to what the situation really is.

Maybe if there were enough units available, the Xbox would have sold 10 mil and the PS4 only 3 mil. Maybe the PS4 would have sold 10 mil and the Xbox One only 3 mil. WE JUST DON'T KNOW. Anybody trying to twist these numbers in their favor is just being a fanboy at this point.

I don't think it really matters that Sony sold more in N.A. in the first week than the Xbox One did, because Microsoft had to spread out its allocation, and that just mean more people in N.A. were turned down for Xbox One's and have to continue to wait.

And vice versa, I wouldn't really use the fact that Sony is in more countries as an explanation as to why it has sold 2.1 mil in 15 or 16 or 17 days. That just means that more people in the UK or N.A. were turned down for PS4's and have to continue to wait.
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Anybody insisting these numbers are not amazing news for Microsoft is a Microsoft hater.
 
XBoxNeo said:
Anybody insisting these numbers are not amazing news for Microsoft is a Microsoft hater.
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:txbrolleyes: I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I said that the strong sales of both systems is good news for gamers and gaming. What do you want?

Amazing? Who knows yet. 2 mil is a strong start for each system, but we'll see where it goes into next year once supply is enough to meet the demand and more people look to move into the next gen consoles. Maybe it's just early adopters and die-hard fans making a big splash after waiting 8 years for the next console. If MS and Sony had their act together for the launches of the PS3 and Xbox 360, the argument could be made that they would have sold 2 mil as well.

I expected both systems to sell out through Christmas, so I wouldn't consider it 'amazing'. I'm not a 'hater' either. I bought the Original Xbox, 360, and One at launch, own probably over 100 games for the system, and have had Xbox Live for over 9 years. I also have only owned Windows PCs. If your comment is serious than you are quite illogical.
 
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XBoxNeo said:
Seriously man, when was the last time Microsoft go to brag about selling millions of ~anything~. Been a few years...
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They're not amazing, because they are expected. Neither are the numbers amazing for PS4. The demand is simply higher than the supply. Everyone knew that was going to be the case for months.
 
consolewarz said:
PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.
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Sure, 2.1M in 17 days is clearly twice as good as 2.0M in 18 days. The math is irrefutable - ignore those flat earthers who believe that 2 million times two is four million. Just use claims made up out of whole cloth couched with weasel words like "MS apparently sold 2 mil" and "PS4 is likely closing on 3mil" and I'm sure that given your consistent history of backing up your assertions with salient points and demonstrable facts rather than endless links citing each other with no substance, we'll all fall in line.

The metrics continue to be accurate despite people's inability to comprehend them and despite the childish insults and behavior in this thread towards me. Blatant, obvious insults, trolling, false accusations, and strawmen are par for the course on this forum, though.
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The metrics are only accurate in the sense that two times two equals 2.1, which is true for extremely small values of two and using creative rounding tricks. And as usual, you deflect with your cries of blatant insults and personal attacks. I imagine that if we had access to the mod stats here, those metrics would clearly point out that you're not only not unduly being targeted for this stuff but highly likely to be one of the top five offenders.
 
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consolewarz said:
PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.
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Again.. both are selling out.. both have similar production capabilities..

Sony's difference is largely from being on sale for 7 more days.

You are pulling the 3 million out of your ass.. it's highly possible but we don't know. MS or Sony could have production/distribution glitches that cause brief delays or one or the other could ramp up production. Or one's "sell out" status could bottom out...

But you are just outright bad at math, and the sales have nothing to do with popularity polls at this point. 2 million vs 3 million is not "close to 2:1."

Until we are demand constrained all that is being represented is supply constraints either way. And until people can start grasping that, these conversations are going to get old.

Sony hasn't sold more because they are in more countries.

Sony hasn't sold more because they are more popular.

Sony has sold more because they have produced more units and are a week ahead of MS.

(doesn't mean PS4 ISN'T more popular... doesn't mean being in more countries won't be a medium-term advantage..it's just not why they have sold more)
 
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GordoSan said:
Only two last generations, so not "few". I don't remember them doing that either on their first outing. I agree about 360, but why worry about the end of a generation over 5 years from now? Sony OTOH, supports PS3 with exclusives still, but at the cost of leaving their PS4 launch high and dry. I can't say that is really a better strategy, but that's my opinion.
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Track record. The past two generations have ended with the abandonment of one console due to a poorly negotiated contract with Nvidia -- that they were unwilling to renegotiate, and a divestment in new and exclusive IP's at the end of the last generation. I think it would be foolish to not have some concerns given the track record. And I haven't been overly impressed with either's launch offerings -- save DR3. If it wasn't for it -- what a blast, I would be playing my 360 and PS3 more now. I think both strategies are lacking and are far from ideal.

All I want to see is strong support and consistent commitment throughout the generation regardless the platform.

The Wolf King said:
The original XBox wasn't like that. They just dropped it as soon as the 360 launched due to it never making the money and a fall out with Intell
And the first party support only dried up last year. Not bad for 8 years.
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They negotiated a bad contract and couldn't get out from under, but both generations ended weakly for me. First party support began to dry up when they introduced Kinect or as it was called in the beginning: Project Natal. It had been ticking down since then.

XBoxNeo said:
Seriously man, when was the last time Microsoft go to brag about selling millions of ~anything~. Been a few years...
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Few years? The last time was mid-October of this year when they announced that they had sold 80 million Xbox 360's.
 
consolewarz said:
The metrics were 3:1 or 4:1 pre-DRM 180, a distinction I've pointed out many times that continues to be ignored. It changed to 2:1 post-180. It hasn't been 3:1 or 4:1 for a long time, but that doesn't stop posters like "intellivision" from flagrantly lying about "all the polls said 4:1 and they were wrong!".

PS4 selling 2:1 means 66%/33% marketshare. That's close to what global sales look like right now and close to what most business analysts, vgcharts, and reasonable people have been predicting. MS apparently sold 2 mil globally and PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil.
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I'm not sure where your math is headed??? - you now quote 2:1 as being "expected" - yet in the same sentence you actually state that "PS4 is likely closing on 3 mil." - which means it'd be closer to a 3:2 average - not a 2:1. Of course, you're conveniently forgetting the fact that you're now adding in additional time to allot for even the 3:2 number (the only numbers we have is PS4 sold 2.1M in a slightly less time frame than X1 where sold 2M in the same/similar timeframe). Really the only argument here is the number of *days* difference in the timeframe - but it still wouldn't add up to either of your ratios listed above (either 2:1 or 3:2) - at best it's 12:11 or 12:10 currently based on actual daily sell through numbers (PS4 is ~123k/day versus X1=111,111k/day (to use their quoted numbers.. :p) ...

If you're going to post stats - at least post the correct ones instead of fluffing up your argument with vague and invalid ones...

all in all - it doesn't matter - they're both selling well - let's be happy.. :)
 
I just saw on gaf that Major Nelson tweeted that the One was the fastest selling console last month(aka not the best selling). I have to give MS credit, I didnt expect them to sell ner as many as they have
 
Xbox has seen record-breaking sales with the recent announcement of Xbox One selling more than 2 million units through to consumers worldwide since its launch. November NPD Group figures released today revealed 909,132 Xbox One units were sold in the U.S. in the console’s first nine days, making it the fastest selling console on the market in the U.S. Xbox One sales averaged a volume of more than 101,000 consoles per day, significantly outpacing the nearest competitor.

http://news.xbox.com/2013/12/xbox-one-november-npd-announcement
 
November 2013 NPD highlights include:
  • Total retail spend on the Xbox platform (Xbox One and Xbox 360) in November (hardware, software and accessories) reached $1.21 billion, the most for any console in the U.S. (Source: NPD Group).
  • During the month of November, Xbox (Xbox One and Xbox 360) held five of the top 10 spots on the console game title list (Source: NPD Group).
 
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