Microsoft sells 2,000,000 Xbox One's in 18 days.
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I like how consolewarz constantly moves the goal posts to try making PS4 look as bright as possible.
Sony said PS4 sold 2.1M on Dec 1. Consolewarz has been saying for days "PS4 is at 3M" meaning it has sold about 900k in about a week.
Maybe all of us on the internet missed the news. I didn't know Sony or NPD said PS4 has sold an additional 900k PS4s in the past week. LOL
He's just embarrassed all the hype and endless online polls were suppose to make PS4 blowing away X1. People play games, not polls. If you notice, all those hype and chat threads about those old poll ratios on any forum have totally disappeared. All the diehards have laid down their swords and haven't bothered trying to defend those high ratios. Only consolewarz keeps trying to put up the good fight.
But don't worry consolewarz. the current ratio ofperhaps 1.3:1 for PS4 should get bigger. It'll be in triple the number of countries by end of the year over X1, it sells for $100 less and even got a 1 week head start in the US (the biggest gaming market in the world). Surely with those 3 points alone it should outsell a console priced at $500.
Sony said PS4 sold 2.1M on Dec 1. Consolewarz has been saying for days "PS4 is at 3M" meaning it has sold about 900k in about a week.
Maybe all of us on the internet missed the news. I didn't know Sony or NPD said PS4 has sold an additional 900k PS4s in the past week. LOL
He's just embarrassed all the hype and endless online polls were suppose to make PS4 blowing away X1. People play games, not polls. If you notice, all those hype and chat threads about those old poll ratios on any forum have totally disappeared. All the diehards have laid down their swords and haven't bothered trying to defend those high ratios. Only consolewarz keeps trying to put up the good fight.
But don't worry consolewarz. the current ratio ofperhaps 1.3:1 for PS4 should get bigger. It'll be in triple the number of countries by end of the year over X1, it sells for $100 less and even got a 1 week head start in the US (the biggest gaming market in the world). Surely with those 3 points alone it should outsell a console priced at $500.
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Mark my words, PS4 will dominate in Uruguay and Bolivia. You'll see.
D. But the correct wording should be..... "Only true in DEM consolewarz's DREAM!!!1"
I wouldn't be shocked if the XBOX ONE outsells the PS4 in December at least in NA. Technically it has been outselling the PS4 since launch in NA.
The 2:1 ratio I think comes from the polls that say that 66% of the respondents are interested in a PS4 to 33% being interested in an XO. 66 being double 33, this gives a margin of 2:1. The problem here seems to be a confusion between 'Margin' and 'Ratio'. A quick check of Mirriam-Webster reveals that 'Margin' is a "measure or degree of difference", while 'Ratio' is "the relationship that exists between the size, number, or amount of two things and that is often represented by two numbers".
The 2:1 margin of interest that the PS4 enjoys does not translate into a ratio of 2:1. The problem Consolewarz has is that even his best numbers do not add up to a 2:1 margin. The best he can get is 60:40, and it seems like the only way he can do that is to assume that the PS4 sold a million consoles in the last week and a half or so and that the XO sold exactly zero.
This is all very pointless anyway, because both consoles are selling out. We're simply not going to see any of these margins/ratios or whatever manifest until at least one of the consoles manages to satisfy it's initial demand. Then we'll have something to analyze and discuss, until then we're just pissing in the wind.
Just wait until Madagascar gets it. Whomever gets there first and secures selling a console to everyone of its 20M citizens will win the console war.
Are you sure consolewarz's analysis isn't true? Taking a skim of his logic, it's a slam dunk.
- Every online poll shows huge poll victories in favour of PS4 2:1, 3:1, 4:1
- PS4 sold 2.1M by Dec 1 (Sony statement)
- PS4's are sold out everywhere
- However, despite being sold out from every place from Hicksville USA to Jupiter, PS4 has sold an additional 900k units in a week and a half to get to 3M according to his genius gumption
- X1 has been getting killed in polls since day 1
- X1 sold 2M by Dec 9 (MS statement)
- X1 is still at 2M for the past week despite MS supplying stores with more shipments lately than Sony according to all those in-stock bot sites
So, Sony has sold 900k more units lately despite little stock, while X1 has sold zero despite supplying more and sites getting sold out shortly after. Seems completely logical to me. LOLOL
I'll give you an example as to WHY the XBOX ONE is doing so well. A friend of mine has all 3 systems. The Wii U, XBOX ONE and PS4. He has already had a few holiday parties with friends, who he would call a casual type crowd when it comes to gaming. Every party he has had so far, people have gone gaga for the XBOX ONE. One of his friends even came into his house, noticed the XBOX ONE in his entertainment center and was like, "can I say XBOX O-N", lol. Of course he said go for it, and EVERY ONE was amazed at how it not only turned his XBOX ONE on via voice, but his TV on as well. Then he showed how fast the UI was via voice and every one was even more amazed. He tells me it reminds him of the Wii madness the first few years it was out, how every one was crazy for Wii Sports. The only difference is, the XBOX ONE has a great online ecosystem, hardcore games and a gamer type controller. MS pretty much made a system for every one which is why it is in such high demand. The gamer crowd, which remind you is the minority, still can't figure it out though, LOL!
Yeah, the whole hardware integration is awesome. It's master list of compatible TVs and audio systems is long. not surprisingly, my Panny tv and home theatre system were on the list.
Xbox On and Xbox Turn Off to turn on and off everything is pretty cool. And other voice commands to snap around are nice. Not everyone may bother doing it as they may prefer using the controller to navigate, but these types of things are less gimmicky than motion control waving. Many people realize standard controller gaming is better so they just go back to that. Voice commands are something that if you like it, you'll stick with it. It's easy, short and doesn't affect core gaming. It's not like someone who likes it will suddenly get tired of it and go back to powering up the system and navigating with the controller. You might as well just keep on using it.
But you never know, PS4 may have something similar down the line. If enough gamers get PS Eye, PS4 gets an HDMI In outlet and that Light Bar on the DS4 actually does something of value, voice commands may come soon enough.
A lot of it also had to do with the fact that they had kiosks set up in MS stores at malls as well as the van to let people try it out. A few weeks before the console was even released people were playing KI , and Forza.( and some Ryse demos as well) and were able to decide for themselves whether or not the console was worth it. What is said on forums by irate fanboys don't much matter when you have the controller in your hand and are actually playing the games.
Maybe, maybe not. Sony said he was pretty comfortable with analysts' projections of 3mil shipped by year end: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...llion-playstation-4-consoles-by-year-end.html
They will easily hit that obviously, but they are also gonna be bound by their 5mil forecast through March 31st. Regardless, X1 is right on its heels. PS4 sold 2.1mil in 16 days vs X1 selling "over 2mil" in 18 days. PS4 wasn't far ahead in NPD either, especially for being out twice as long.
And there is nothing whatsoever wrong with Major Nelson's math. This is what happens when ppl who don't understand simple math take GAF's word on things. They end up looking as r******d as the GAF hivemind. 909k in 9 days is 111k/day. That's higher than PS4's 81k/day. Hence, X1 sold faster in November than PS4 did. If all you care about is the peak sales rate you'd have a battle over who sold their first console the fastest after 12:00am on launch day, which is dumb and wholly meaningless, hence you look to averages over meaningful chunks of time.
You are clinging to the peak sales for day 1 for PS4, assuming it was 1mil in the US when it wasn't (it was 1mil for US+Canada+Mexico), conflating Sony's internal tracking estimates (their 1mil figure) with NPD's data (both are helpful and reliable, but they aren't the same thing), and then trying to compare that peak figure with MS's statement.
Both consoles are selling out everything these companies can put on shelves. Are you guys honestly bickering about totally meaningless ratios premised on internet polls?! Those don't mean anything. Never have. Stahp.
Yeah, I know. I'm not quite that math-challenged, lol. I was confused by the distinction KEM was making, saying 2 to 1 "margin" is not equivalent to 2 to 1 "ratio."
NA=US, Mexico, Canada...and other places that aren't thoroughly tracked/reported like Central American countries, Iceland, Greenland, Caribbean countries.
astrograd: LOL.. plenty of people aren't just "taking GAFs word for it" and are posting incredibly logical replies.
Sony sold more in less time.. that is called.. selling something faster. It's not just about peak sales rate because they also sold quite a bit more.
It's a dumb brag for MS. You can insult people all you want, I could analogy it all day.
Pie eating contest.. guy devours 10 pies in 1 minute and wins.
Loser eats 8.5 pies in 9 minutes... loses.. but the other guy 15 minutes later takes a bite of pie and the loser yells "WELL TECHNICALLY I ATE MORE PIE PER MINUTE OF PIE EATING CUZ YOU ATE PIE ACROSS SIXTEEN MINUTES SO I ATE MY PIE FASTER!"
Sony sold more in less time.. that is called.. selling something faster. It's not just about peak sales rate because they also sold quite a bit more.
It's a dumb brag for MS. You can insult people all you want, I could analogy it all day.
Pie eating contest.. guy devours 10 pies in 1 minute and wins.
Loser eats 8.5 pies in 9 minutes... loses.. but the other guy 15 minutes later takes a bite of pie and the loser yells "WELL TECHNICALLY I ATE MORE PIE PER MINUTE OF PIE EATING CUZ YOU ATE PIE ACROSS SIXTEEN MINUTES SO I ATE MY PIE FASTER!"
In terms of the usage on this topic, there is no meaningful distinction. Just ppl misusing the terms. Margin implies a measure 'in excess of'. For instance, a 100% profit margin suggests you brought in 2.00 times as much revenue as the item cost, hence your profit margin was 2(100%) - 100% = 100%. Profit margin of 645% would mean you brought in 7.45 times as much revenue as your item cost, etc.
It happens all the time with ppl misreporting percentages. For instance, 'X sold 300% more than Y!' means that X sold 4 times as many units as Y...not 3 times as many, as most ppl mistakenly assume. 66% to 33% is a 2:1 ratio. It's a 100% margin (phrases like '_ to_ margin' are misnomers; a margin isn't a ratio).
Hmm wasn't aware of Mexico or any of the other smaller areas being INITIAL launch countries. I don't see any spots lit up on COD Ghosts World map in those areas. I am pretty sure it launched just in USA/Canada initially.
No. Nelson cited NPD data for his claim, making the context completely clear. PS4 sold "more" on launch day, presumably, but we've no data on that for the context Nelson's calculation was premised on (US sales). Sony never told us their day 1 sales for the US...just NA as a whole and it's not the same number NPD would likely get. Unless you assume Sony only sold 138k PS4's in the last week of the month.
They sold 1138k in the US in November compared to 909k for X1. "Quite a bit more" is stretching it. A lot. Especially given they had 2 weeks compared to 1. There are two meanings of 'sales speed' being used. Nelson used the one that actually has contextual meaning to it (average sales speed, as opposed to the meaningless peak sales speed which is infinite for every product that's ever released).
Ppl are jumping on Nelson's comment because he represents MS and it's fashionable to attack everything X1-related right now. Anyone who understands anything about 'speed' calculations understands it was the appropriate math to use in the context of discrete units of sales. It's not a dumb brag at all. It shows they are selling tons of hardware, just like Sony is. MS sold 909k in a week compared to Sony selling 1138k in 2 weeks. If you'd like to chalk up excuses that's fine as launch periods never reflect actual sales pacing for broad trends.
I'll give you a moment to recognize the incredibly obvious fault in your adorable lil analogy here bud. Hint: Races like in your analogy are premised on hitting a fixed deadline in the shortest amount of time (10 pies, in this case). They aren't a measure of speed. See: 'The Tortoise and the Hare' parable.