Anyone doing the low/no carb diet?

[The Sunset Limited]

lol @ the Vegan. Talk about douchey-looking. There's a lot of vegan push-back to this diet. No surprise there.

Anyhow, this isn't about Shawn Baker, although he's a good source of info. I could link you to nearly a hundred physician-led presentations on this issue. But I'll spare the thread that derail, because that's not really what it's about.

First, the thread is called "Anyone doing the low/no carb diet"? How is digging deeper into the topic of the thread considered a "thread derail"? SMH...

Second, I think Shawn Baker may indeed not be a good source of info. He got his medical license taken from him, but still introduces himself as an MD. He wears tank tops 40 years after the last acceptable age to do so, and when Joe Rogen asked him about getting blood work done he scoffs and responds with "Tell me a blood test that tells me how healthy I am". As I said, I've watched 30 seconds of this guy speak and red flags are popping up all around him.

Every fad diet known to man has "MD's" who cite "hundreds of sources/studies/examples" supporting their bogus claims. I'm not kidding. Go look up the people pushing the grapefruit, alkaline, the cabbage soup diet etc... They, without fail, say things like "The mainstream doesn't want us to hear about this data because of personal self interest. There's a massive industry that makes millions shielding us from the truth. Only a select few of us have the real data". These diets appeal to conspiracy theorist guy. If you consider yourself one of those people, be extra careful.

It sounds like this diet is working for you right now and that's actually awesome. I don't think what you're doing is wrong. Trying things out to experience them yourself is the way to go. I applaud what you're doing. However, here's what's most likely going to happen, because this is what happens with all adopters of fad diets.

Fad diets work initially for two main reasons. One, they limit the amount of calories a person consumes. Two, they're packaged in a way that gets people excited. If you happen upon a diet that makes you think "I can do that!" then you're most likely going to stick with the diet for longer than a diet that forces you to eat broccoli. Your energy + seeing results will absolutely get the ball rolling in terms of weight loss.

However these fad diets always leave people feeling like s*** eventually because your body needs essential vitamins and minerals that you're not getting. Results will shrink in month two, you won't feel quite as good as you do now, something stressful will pop up, then the Carnivore diet becomes something that you "tried doing a few months back, and it actually worked for me but I just got swamped...I should get back on it soon".

You said Shawn Baker isn't pushing anything which gave him credibility in your eyes. Shawn Baker has a book on Amazon called "The Carnivore Diet". The guy is propheting off telling people they don't have to eat vegetables.

Vegetables are good for you.

 

[Andy]

Shawn Baker has a book on Amazon called "The Carnivore Diet". The guy is propheting off telling people they don't have to eat vegetables.

Oh does he? Thanks, I'll have to pick that up.

p.s. Damn, not out till Feb 2019.

 

[Swede]

Meat tastes great, better than vegetables and most carbohydrates.
I do still think veggies are crucial to a balanced diet for getting all vitamins and such.
I do stay away from most carbs during pre summer body toning though.

 

[The Sunset Limited]

Shawn Baker's blood tests came in. According to the Mayo Clinic, one of the world's most respected research hospitals, he's not doing great.

 

[Andy]

Shawn Baker's blood tests came in. According to the Mayo Clinic, one of the world's most respected research hospitals, he's not doing great.

He's followed up on this. He's in excellent health. Of course, you won't bother following up on that, will you. You decided in 30 seconds he was douchey looking, and the rest is just you trying to find whatever you can to build a case against him and troll.

His recent cardiac tests were amazingly good. Helps to be a physician who knows the research, how to interpret labs, etc., rather than a random vegan activist who is just out to attack him because of a moral agenda.

You've got no intellectual integrity. You're very simple minded in your thinking. You have no understanding or education in this area, you're just pulling up whatever Youtube clips you can find.

I've got no concern with or respect for your opinion on this. You've got zero credibility with me.

 

[The Sunset Limited]

He's followed up on this. He's in excellent health. Of course you won't bother researching that side of the story.

Well, the Mayo Clinic is the type of hospital that people from all over the world fly to in order to receive the best treatment.

Shawn Baker is a disgraced doctor, who peddles snake oil for profit. Shawn Baker doesn't have to convince 100% of the population that his miracle diet works. He just needs a few people to believe his BS.

I don't trust Shawn Baker. I trust The Mayo Clinic. I trust in vegetables.

(Please post his response. I'd love to see it.)

 

[Andy]

(Please post his response. I'd love to see it.)

No, you do the research. Stop being such an intellectually dishonest troll and look for the other side of the story. I'm not going to educate you. I'm wasting enough time even replying to you.

 

[The Sunset Limited]

No, you do the research. Stop being such an intellectually dishonest troll and look for the other side of the story. I'm not going to educate you. I'm wasting enough time even replying to you.

Today, I'm going to save someone on the internet. You will thank me in 40 years!

 

[Andy]

Today, I'm going to save someone on the internet. You will thank me in 40 years!

I'll be dead in 40 years. Or maybe 6 months, if you're right.

But of course you're not. Stop listening to the vegans.

 

[Videodrome]

Today, I'm going to save someone on the internet. You will thank me in 40 years!

Guy on YouTube vs Mayo Clinic? Who wins? I think this topic mostly an anecdotal discussion.

Seriously, I'm curious if you have any thoughts Kevin Smith who went Vegan and I think has now lost almost 80 pounds.

Penn Jillette has lost over a hundred pounds on a Vegan diet.

 

[Videodrome]

I'll be dead in 40 years. Or maybe 6 months, if you're right.

But of course you're not. Stop listening to the vegan police.

My weight loss plan in 40 years technology advances enough that I'll be a brain in a vat.

I'll get down to 3 pounds.


Edit stupid autocorrect

 

[The Sunset Limited]

I'll be dead in 40 years. Or maybe 6 months, if you're right.

But of course you're not. Stop listening to the vegan police.

You're politicizing food. You're attempting to turn broccoli into a weapon. Broccoli isn't a weapon Andy, it's just a highly nutritous plant that tastes like ****. Leave the broccoli alone damn it!

Andy, I'm mostly with you on Vegans. They can be a strange and radical people. But just because Vegans like vegetables and Barrack Obama, doesn't mean you have to go and eat meat exclusively. You can be a conservative and eat vegetables. It's OK. Doing so doesn't mean you have to march at the next #MeToo parade.

Andy, your first response to me was telling. It was EXTREMELY defensive.

You said Mr. Baker was an MD to give credibility to him. He's not.

You said he wasn't trying to peddle anything. He was.

You said there were lots of anecdotal reports, some of which were from physicians. Andy, there are anecdotal reports of people losing weight on the cotton ball diet (that's a real thing). There are physicians who preach about the magical healing effects of copper wrist bands. There are a lot of physicians out there who say and do a lot of dumb stuff.

I'm not emotional about any of this stuff. You clearly are. You took this very pleasant topic, and out of nowhere, repeatedly attacked my character. As amusing as this was, it was also very worrying. Emotions can get in the way of our decision making process, which I feel is happening to you right now.

I suggest you look into the blue zones across the planet. Blue Zones are locations on the planet where people commonly live active lives past the age of 100. Blue Zones have a lot of things in common, including diet. They're mostly plant based diets with minimal meat consumption.

But what can Blue Zones teach us that disgraced MD, tank top wearing, diabetic Shawn Baker can't. Especially if he's been on his magic diet for a whole 15 (wow) months! Blue Zones my ass!

This will be a fun thread to come back to a year from now.

Here's what the Mayo Clinic thinks about fad diets. The carnivore diet is a more extreme, less healthy version of the ketogenic diet. TLDR...Shawn Baker knows much more about this stuff than the collective knowledge of the Mayo Clinic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...opular-diet-trends-of-the-moment/art-20390062

 

[TDbank24]

Nope. I still eat whatever i want and drink 6-8 cans of soda a day. I got a gut, but was always skinny. It's catching up to me though. I'm at 220 lbs now. I might start mixing in some Fiji water or something and i bought a bushel of bananas for the first time in months the other day. Baby steps.

 

[Videodrome]

Rarrrrr stupid vegans

 

[Andy]

You're politicizing food. You're attempting to turn broccoli into a weapon. Broccoli isn't a weapon Andy, it's just a highly nutritous plant that tastes like ****. Leave the broccoli alone damn it!

Andy, I'm mostly with you on Vegans. They can be a strange and radical people. But just because Vegans like vegetables and Barrack Obama, doesn't mean you have to go and eat meat exclusively. You can be a conservative and eat vegetables. It's OK. Doing so doesn't mean you have to march at the next #MeToo parade.

Andy, your first response to me was telling. It was EXTREMELY defensive.

You said Mr. Baker was an MD to give credibility to him. He's not.

You said he wasn't trying to peddle anything. He was.

You said there were lots of anecdotal reports, some of which were from physicians. Andy, there are anecdotal reports of people losing weight on the cotton ball diet (that's a real thing). There are physicians who preach about the magical healing effects of copper wrist bands. There are a lot of physicians out there who say and do a lot of dumb stuff.

I'm not emotional about any of this stuff. You clearly are. You took this very pleasant topic, and out of nowhere, repeatedly attacked my character. As amusing as this was, it was also very worrying. Emotions can get in the way of our decision making process, which I feel is happening to you right now.

I suggest you look into the blue zones across the planet. Blue Zones are locations on the planet where people commonly live active lives past the age of 100. Blue Zones have a lot of things in common, including diet. They're mostly plant based diets with minimal meat consumption.

But what can Blue Zones teach us that disgraced MD, tank top wearing, diabetic Shawn Baker can't. Especially if he's been on his magic diet for a whole 15 (wow) months! Blue Zones my ass!

This will be a fun thread to come back to a year from now.

Here's what the Mayo Clinic thinks about fad diets. The carnivore diet is a more extreme, less healthy version of the ketogenic diet. TLDR...Shawn Baker knows much more about this stuff than the collective knowledge of the Mayo Clinic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-...opular-diet-trends-of-the-moment/art-20390062

Yeah, yeah. Blah blah.

Rarrrrr stupid vegans

I love that clip.

 

[Videodrome]

 

[Andy]

That's both funny and a little creepy (Cosby offering his weiner).

 

[Videodrome]

Vegan Psychic Powers respect tho

 

[karmakid]

Skipped most of the comments, just gonna say this... when I moved out and on my own most of the stuff I made at home was meat. Then I learned about gout the hard way, my boss being a vegetarian showed me the light of rather good tasting veggie food. But I eat everything still but not much meat, mostly chicken >,< fish disgusts me and sushi is ok. Weird I am, I know but yea, dono why I’m saying this lol food for thought? I guess

 

[Videodrome]

I think David Cronenberg could do a horror film about getting Gout. It's bad and so aggravating.

Just the tiny bump against the toe is insane.

 

[JinCA]

Some people get constipation during the adjustment phase, which usually lasts 1 or 2 weeks. Most people don't. I didn't. I got some diahrea, though, along with "keto flu" symptoms for the first week (mentally foggy, kind of tired and irritable). That passes after a week or two, though. What happens after you get through the adjustment phase is that you'll notice your poop size shrink dramatically and your bowel movements become less frequent. That's because meat is so well-absorbed by the system, which is, after all, made of meat.



That's awesome. I love that it's helping your diabetes.

It's basically "gotten rid" of mine as well, I was diagnosed in January of 2017, started doing Keto (well low carb) about a month or two later and have lost a ton of weight and my blood sugar normalized very quickly. I have cheated a few times over the past few weeks and my blood sugar still goes right back to where it should be, within 2 hours of eating something bad it goes to under 90 and I never have spikes when fasting. I think maybe I had just gotten so big and had been eating so poorly that my body couldn't handle it anymore but once I got down to a reasonable weight things seemed to fall back into place rather quickly. Within 3 months my A1C went from 10 to 6 and the last one I had was 4.8.

 

[JinCA]

Skipped most of the comments, just gonna say this... when I moved out and on my own most of the stuff I made at home was meat. Then I learned about gout the hard way, my boss being a vegetarian showed me the light of rather good tasting veggie food. But I eat everything still but not much meat, mostly chicken >,< fish disgusts me and sushi is ok. Weird I am, I know but yea, dono why I’m saying this lol food for thought? I guess

I've been eating mostly steak for dinner for over a year and a half and had no issues at all, only lost weight and saw blood markers improve. How were you cooking your meat? I usually grill mine and when I have veges I use grass fed butter on them.

 

[karmakid]

I've been eating mostly steak for dinner for over a year and a half and had no issues at all, only lost weight and saw blood markers improve. How were you cooking your meat? I usually grill mine and when I have veges I use grass fed butter on them.

Yeah it was mostly steak for the first two years or so. Would mostly bbq out side, sometimes steamed, buying mostly prepped meat, cos I was/am lazy. Gf at the time would mostly do the side dishes, heavy in the veggies, which I’d eat very few, I was picky lol now I find myself making dishes she would make, just not pad thai.

Anyone else just rummage through their pantry whilst cooking for something to eat in the mean time >.<

 

[Swede]

This losing weight because vegan or meat diet discussion isn't really what it comes down too.
Put more calories in than you put out = weight gain
Put less calories in than you put out = weight loss
What's healthy and not is the question.
I really don't think it's fair to go by one persons blood test to conclude if the diet they're on is good or bad. You can eat like a champ but get terrible tests, much more factors in.

If you want your body to look musculay good, and not on gear or have super genetics, you need to get protein into your system. There's soja beans and other non carnivor food to get, but honestly it's easier and most people would say taste better to eat meat. Carbs are great for energy but protein works too if nothing else there.
For my age I consider my body to look above the general publics. I eat meat (beef, pork ,chicken etc.) every day of the week, usually with a salad and feta cheese and olives.
Vegan diet I'm sure works but honestly I wouldn't sacrifice eating delicious meat for that. The meat industry is f***ed though and as long as you don't hunt it yourself or make sure you buy from a good local butcher, you're most likely f***ing up the environment as most in the world. This doesn't feel great.

 

[Videodrome]

Skipped most of the comments, just gonna say this... when I moved out and on my own most of the stuff I made at home was meat. Then I learned about gout the hard way, my boss being a vegetarian showed me the light of rather good tasting veggie food. But I eat everything still but not much meat, mostly chicken >,< fish disgusts me and sushi is ok. Weird I am, I know but yea, dono why I’m saying this lol food for thought? I guess

Meat is the obvious factor in Gout, but I wonder if other factors such as sugar affect the body's ability to manage Uric Acid or Purines.

The first time I ever got Gout was after I'd been drinking a lot of Monster Energy or Venom Energy drinks while driving up and down the east coast trucking under a dispatcher and I couldn't keep up with the work they kept tossing me while winter driving.

 

[Videodrome]

This losing weight because vegan or meat diet discussion isn't really what it comes down too.
Put more calories in than you put out = weight gain
Put less calories in than you put out = weight loss
What's healthy and not is the question.
I really don't think it's fair to go by one persons blood test to conclude if the diet they're on is good or bad. You can eat like a champ but get terrible tests, much more factors in.

If you want your body to look musculay good, and not on gear or have super genetics, you need to get protein into your system. There's soja beans and other non carnivor food to get, but honestly it's easier and most people would say taste better to eat meat. Carbs are great for energy but protein works too if nothing else there.
For my age I consider my body to look above the general publics. I eat meat (beef, pork ,chicken etc.) every day of the week, usually with a salad and feta cheese and olives.
Vegan diet I'm sure works but honestly I wouldn't sacrifice eating delicious meat for that. The meat industry is f***ed though and as long as you don't hunt it yourself or make sure you buy from a good local butcher, you're most likely f***ing up the environment as most in the world. This doesn't feel great.

Grass fed beef was mentioned.

There are concerns in particular I think about what goes on in the American Mega-Farms concerning things like use of hormones, to much anti-biotics or the types of feed used.

Some places even use second hand candy like Skittles or Gummy. Considering that Gummy is a gelatin based candy, and is made from animal parts like bones, there is a possibility that Cows are eating Cows.

 

[JinCA]

Grass-fed beef is really expensive, you get a lot less and pay more. Most of what we get here in California comes from Australia so you are paying for the plane ticket more than the meat lol. I haven't tried it but the butcher tells me it has a gamey taste to it and he doesn't like it, neither does anyone else who works at the meat counter.

 

[JinCA]

This losing weight because vegan or meat diet discussion isn't really what it comes down too.
Put more calories in than you put out = weight gain
Put less calories in than you put out = weight loss
What's healthy and not is the question.
I really don't think it's fair to go by one persons blood test to conclude if the diet they're on is good or bad. You can eat like a champ but get terrible tests, much more factors in.

If you want your body to look musculay good, and not on gear or have super genetics, you need to get protein into your system. There's soja beans and other non carnivor food to get, but honestly it's easier and most people would say taste better to eat meat. Carbs are great for energy but protein works too if nothing else there.
For my age I consider my body to look above the general publics. I eat meat (beef, pork ,chicken etc.) every day of the week, usually with a salad and feta cheese and olives.
Vegan diet I'm sure works but honestly I wouldn't sacrifice eating delicious meat for that. The meat industry is f***ed though and as long as you don't hunt it yourself or make sure you buy from a good local butcher, you're most likely f***ing up the environment as most in the world. This doesn't feel great.

A lot of people who eat keto or just low carb lose a lot of weight even when eating large amounts, sugar is an issue as is processed food. Most of these diets tend to cut out processed foods and tend to go towards things that are natural food sources vs things that take dozens of ingredients to make. I do know vegans who are fat and have bad blood markers, you are right it's not good to say because something works for one person that it will work for everyone. I just tell people what has worked for me.

 

[Swede]

Yes, but it's impossible to lose weight if your caloric intake is higher than your output, keso or not.

 

[Swede]

*keto