Battlefiled 4 anti-fud thread. PlayStation 4, Xbox One, PC.

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Flynn said:
I've heard plenty of this kind of reasoning - but I think anyone making this kind of a claim is only looking at one aspect of these consoles - raw specs - and if that were the only component to them (and to the experience) - I'd agree with you. We'd be ripping people off, making them pay 100$ more.

The problem with that mentality, of course, is that raw specs really aren't the only thing that matter; not by a long shot. I truly believe the next gen requires Kinect. It's required in order to get the kind of next-gen interactions the dash has been shown using. It's 100% required in order to seamlessly sign-in, and recognize users without any hassle, or even so much as touching a controller. It's 100% required in order to IR blast your components, so it can turn them on/off. It's 100% required for reading heart-rates from people during games which give you a work-out, so you can have accurate calorie counting and health assessments. Kinect does *so* much more than people know this gen, and it's SUCH a game changer. I seriously never want to go back. It's just too fast and easy to use voice for some things... it's measurably and demonstrably faster for some features (deep-linking, etc.) rather than pressing buttons, and that's a next-gen experience you won't get on any other home console. 1080p full-screen party chat in Skype, etc, etc, etc - Kinect is just an essential piece of next gen... and it'll become more, and more evident as the years go by.

Then let's talk about services. X1 just clearly wins. The massive, massive, massive investment in the cloud MS has made just simply cannot be matched by Sony. It's just not possible. It gives developers a 100% FREE method of getting reliable cloud compute cycles, executed in extensive data centers all over the world, which (on average) is equal to 3x the CPU cycles on a single X1 per box... and it'll only grow. Not to mention, with the investments being made in the industry for cloud GPU's, who do you think is in a better spot for that moving forward? I'll give you a hint - it ain't Sony.

Then, there's the controller. The X1 controller is the best controller I've ever felt, and the vibration triggers have been far more praised than the tap pad on the PS4 controller. No doubt both are getting good press, but I definitely believe our controller is better, and more suited for core gamers.

Finally, there's the TV integration. P4 obviously has no answer whatsoever, and this may not be something that you personally care about or want, but once you've tried it, it makes traditional TV feel like it's from the stone age. It feels like it's the way TV was meant to be experienced, and it's only available on X1.

Let's also not forget about the OS itself. While we haven't seen the PS4 OS completely, I have no doubt ours will be better. I have no doubt we'll be faster on experience switches, faster on powering on, etc, etc, etc...

So you tell me - what's more important in next-gen value? The experience itself (which overall, I'm VERY confident we'll beat Sony by a noticeable margin), or raw specs? If you say "raw specs", then PS4's probably the wrong kit for you anyway, and you should go with a PC... but if you say the experience itself, then you should feel confident that it'll be best on X1... I know I am.
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You don't need to try and sell the xb1 to me as I'm already buying it. It doesn't change the fact that the specs make it look weak though. Which is sad because even ps4 is pretty weak, and it's still stronger than xb1. There is no reason why these consoles shouldn't be able to best a 660 gtx that is sad, that card is not even current gen.

You can talk about OS and Kinect all you want but none of those things make the games look better. The things you even listed about Kinect aren't even game changers lol. I mean sure being able to sign into my xb1 without doing anything will be a nice quality of life bonus but it's definitely not a game changer. You guys have yet to honestly show anything that can be considered a game changer with Kinect.

I'm the type of gamer who hates the Wii and everything it stands for and frankly that's the direction Microsoft went to an extent. I don't want to wave my arms around like a monkey and do silly sh*t like that. The best part about Kinect that you guys have shown us thus far are the voice commands, and you don't even need Kinect to do that.

Not to mention the live paywall just to do things like Netflix. I'm not even going to touch on that one though because I actually really do like xbox live and I've had a lot of fun on it ever since the Beta test way back in the day.

What do you have to say about that UBI game "The fighter within"? That seems like it should have been really cool and really show all of us what Kinect is all about, but even with that game the delay was so noticeable that there is no way the game is going to do well. When is Microsoft going to show us what Kinect is really about? and why it's a "game changer" because signing me into XBL so i can spend money on stupid stuff is not a "game changer" nor is monitoring my heart rate for some exercising games that I will never touch in 100 years a game changer either. Maybe for the casuals it is, but I'm not a casual gamer and most people on these forums aren't either which is why xb1 keeps taking a beating.
 
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Yoyoniner said:
Hard pressed watching compressed videos on youtube, yes. I doubt anyone will have trouble telling the difference between 900P and 720P on their 50" plasma, especially if you believe DF who says it has a better frame rate, and Jack Frags who says it has better lighting and particle effects.
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Again, they're comparing a finished PS4 version of the game against an unfinished Xbox One version (as per the first post in this thread). At least compare two similar products before proclaiming the Xbox One dead on arrival.

And I watched the DF video. Yeah, it was on my laptop, but the truth is both versions had instances where their respective frame rates dropped below 60 fps; there were times where the PS4 version fell below the Xbox One version and vice-versa.
 
Hissatsu said:
You don't need to try and sell the xb1 to me as I'm already buying it. It doesn't change the fact that the specs make it look weak though. Which is sad because even ps4 is pretty weak, and it's still stronger than xb1. There is no reason why these consoles shouldn't be able to best a 660 gtx that is sad, that card is not even current gen.

You can talk about OS and Kinect all you want but none of those things make the games look better. The things you even listed about Kinect aren't even game changers lol. I mean sure being able to sign into my xb1 without doing anything will be a nice quality of life bonus but it's definitely not a game changer. You guys have yet to honestly show anything that can be considered a game changer with Kinect.

I'm the type of gamer who hates the Wii and everything it stands for and frankly that's the direction Microsoft went to an extent. I don't want to wave my arms around like a monkey and do silly sh*t like that. The best part about Kinect that you guys have shown us thus far are the voice commands, and you don't even need Kinect to do that.

Not to mention the live paywall just to do things like Netflix. I'm not even going to touch on that one though because I actually really do like xbox live and I've had a lot of fun on it ever since the Beta test way back in the day.

What do you have to say about that UBI game "The fighter within"? That seems like it should have been really cool and really show all of us what Kinect is all about, but even with that game the delay was so noticeable that there is no way the game is going to do well. When is Microsoft going to show us what Kinect is really about? and why it's a "game changer" because signing me into XBL so i can spend money on stupid stuff is not a "game changer" nor is monitoring my heart rate for some exercising games that I will never touch in 100 years a game changer either. Maybe for the casuals it is, but I'm not a casual gamer and most people on these forums aren't either which is why xb1 keeps taking a beating.
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If what you care about is specs, neither the PS4 nor the X1 are for you, PC's are the clear and obvious choice... but the next gen gaming experience isn't just about prettier textures, higher res, and decent frame rates... in fact, that's one of the smallest evolutions when compared to the others.

If you want a next gen gaming/entertainment solution in your living room, the X1 I'm confident will prove to be a better entertainment solution than the PS4, and (as with BF4), the only edge PS4 may have over X1 is some minor technical achievements which amount to little or no visible/noticeable difference.

BF4 is a great example... even though number whores will claim instant victor to PS4, most people who look at the pics/videos honestly will say that the X1 version looks sharper, and pops more (which most prefer).
 
Some more comparisons:
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/68b5pv/battlefield-4-pc-vs--ps4-graphics-comparison
http://www.videogamer.com/features/article/battlefield_4_which_is_better_xbox_one_or_ps4.html
http://www.digibytes.me/2013/10/bat...parison-between-digital-foundry-and-jackfrags
http://ca.ign.com/videos/2013/10/28/battlefield-4-xbox-oneps4-graphics-comparison

It looks like Digital Foundry's contrast/sharpness "mistake" is working wonders as people keep referencing the XB1 version as having "better colors" and "sharper" while PS4 looks "washed out". I hope you realize you're spreading debunked FUD, and DF themselves owned up to the error already.
 
consolewarz said:
Rushed drivers and the added difficulty of ESRAM is leading to things like CoD 720p vs 1080p. That won't be the norm once devs get a handle on the X1 hardware. CoD should be at least 900p on XB1 if it's 1080p on PS4, the hardware gap isn't that large. We might even see 900p CoD on XB1 if they make it in time.

On the other hand, I think we'll see 720p vs 900p or 900p vs 1080p for most games this gen. Dropping the resolution is a quick and easy way to match the ~50% power gap of the two consoles. It's either that or start fiddling with IQ settings and framerate, which can get messy for devs.

Also consider PS4's greater GPGPU compute ability and unified memory giving added hUMA features. Once devs take advantage of this we'll see better physics modeling (fluid, fire, hair, etc.) on PS4.

720 and 900 or 900 and 1080 is a far larger difference from 360/PS3 which was often a matter of 20-30p of resolution or 3-4 framerate avg. Quite a few people here are subjectively not bothered by the difference, but it's much greater than 360/PS3 was.

Anyway if you want XB1 exclusive games and don't mind the worse looking multiplatform games, you'll be happy with your XB1.

And yes the "offloading upscale balance shape upclock tiled resources latency bottleneck" stuff to claim XB1 was equal or better than PS4 was pretty much bunk.
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Good post.

I'm actually getting the X1 for its exclusives, now and in the future. My PS4 looks like it will have a bigger library with multiplats and Sony's games. This current gen, I basically had a collection of just Sony's first party games.
 
Yoyoniner said:
Will any of this affect the fun of the game? No. But it ain't going to win a "console war." Why do Xbox fans even want to get involved in "console wars"? You are not going to win multiplatform comparisons with weaker hardware this generation, so why even try? Is it because you believe in secret sauce? Is it because you hate Sony? I don't get it. Just be happy the Xbox will get great, fun, fantastic looking games this generation! But it ain't going to win any multiplatform graphics comparisons.
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Please stop, you are one of the few that's putting this forum into a console warz mentality.
 
Flynn said:
If what you care about is specs, neither the PS4 nor the X1 are for you, PC's are the clear and obvious choice... but the next gen gaming experience isn't just about prettier textures, higher res, and decent frame rates... in fact, that's one of the smallest evolutions when compared to the others.

If you want a next gen gaming/entertainment solution in your living room, the X1 I'm confident will prove to be a better entertainment solution than the PS4, and (as with BF4), the only edge PS4 may have over X1 is some minor technical achievements which amount to little or no visible/noticeable difference.

BF4 is a great example... even though number whores will claim instant victor to PS4, most people who look at the pics/videos honestly will say that the X1 version looks sharper, and pops more (which most prefer).
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Consoles are not PC's and it's a bit insulting to be told I should focus on pc's if I care about graphics. My pc is already stronger than both next gen systems, but that is besides the point. I prefer console gaming and after 8 years of being stuck with s***ty 360 graphics and ports it's time for an upgrade.

BF4 doesn't even matter at the end of the day. It is nothing more than a port and a transgenerational game. What about the games built from the ground up for each system? Sony's games are obviously going to look better and not just by a small difference. The fact that KI can't even reach 1080p speaks wonders.

Regardless of the graphical debate though. Why did you skip over my Kinect questions? What exactly makes X1 such a great next gen gaming entertainment solution? It plays movies just like ps4 does, it can browse the web just like ps4 does. Is it Snap? multitasking is not a new concept nor is it something that should have been a focus in a gaming system over making games look and play the best they possibly can. -_-


Again I ask you, what exactly makes the x1 the best "next gen gaming and entertainment solution"
 
Flynn said:
the layman won't notice or care...
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The layman on the other hand does care very much about the chat that goes on on social networks, at work, school or where ever. They make their purchasing choice based on peer feedback, what their friends and co workers say.

No on wants inferior, it doesn't matter if it's 720p v 900p or 899p v 900p, one is worse and the average person will say less sucks and more is better. That the PS4 is the better version will spread from the hardcore to the masses, it will be water-cooler chat and word spreads.

Then they'll have a choice, the one everyone says is best console or the not so good for $100/£80 more.

Your right to say the layman wouldn't understand the difference, but wrong to assume he will not eventually hear one is better than the other and even wronger to say he wouldn't care, especially with $100/£80 at stake. People want the best for a good price and those without emotional attachments to console brands ie the masses, will purchase accordingly.
 
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It should be noted that Sony also reserved 2-3GB of RAM for the OS to eventually implement the kinds of media and app features XB1 has, minus HDMI input and whatever features kinect has over the PS4 camera.

Also every consumer survey I've seen indicates 2 out of 3 people are interested/want to buy a PS4 over an XB1. Anecdotal preorder numbers and charts back this up. These aren't hardcore gamer surveys but the general public.
 
Yossarian said:
The layman on the other hand does care very much about the chat that goes on on social networks, at work, school or where ever. They make their purchasing choice based on peer feedback, what their friends and co workers say.

No on wants inferior, it doesn't matter if it's 720p v 900p or 899p v 900p, one is worse and the average person will say less sucks and more is better. That the PS4 is the better version will spread from the hardcore to the masses, it will be water-cooler chat and word spreads.

Then they'll have a choice, the one everyone says is best console or the not so good for $100/£80 more.

Your right to say the layman wouldn't understand the difference, but wrong to assume he will not eventually hear one is better than the other and even wronger to say he wouldn't care, especially with $100/£80 at stake. People want the best for a good price and those without emotional attachments to console brands ie the masses, will purchase accordingly.
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I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, but I agree with this post now. I only have a handful of people I consider friends and not a single person I talk to is getting an xb1. Not 1 person, all of them all say PS4. I am literally the only person I know that is buying the xb1. I hate to say it but I definitely think sony is going to reclaim a lot of the market share they lost to the 360.
 
I don't buy consoles to count pixels but if you must know the truth, my c*** is huge so I don't really worry about those kinds of things ;)
 
Flynn said:
BF4 is a great example... even though number whores will claim instant victor to PS4, most people who look at the pics/videos honestly will say that the X1 version looks sharper, and pops more (which most prefer).
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The people who have actually seen the game in action on the big screen said they clearly preferred the PS4 version. Jake Frags said he polled all of the journalists present at the event and they all preferred the PS4 version. Did you not watch his review?
 
Bah.. It all comes down to games anyway. The PS2 was weak hardware and was a hell of a console. Maybe the best ever.

All this fighting over graphics... We're well past the PS2 era. Both consoles can produce amazing visuals for the price.
 
Yossarian said:
The layman on the other hand does care very much about the chat that goes on on social networks, at work, school or where ever. They make their purchasing choice based on peer feedback, what their friends and co workers say.

No on wants inferior, it doesn't matter if it's 720p v 900p or 899p v 900p, one is worse and the average person will say less sucks and more is better. That the PS4 is the better version will spread from the hardcore to the masses, it will be water-cooler chat and word spreads.

Then they'll have a choice, the one everyone says is best console or the not so good for $100/£80 more.

Your right to say the layman wouldn't understand the difference, but wrong to assume he will not eventually hear one is better than the other and even wronger to say he wouldn't care, especially with $100/£80 at stake. People want the best for a good price and those without emotional attachments to console brands ie the masses, will purchase accordingly.
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It wasn't until this post that I understood exactly naive you are...
 
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Hissatsu said:
Consoles are not PC's and it's a bit insulting to be told I should focus on pc's if I care about graphics. My pc is already stronger than both next gen systems, but that is besides the point. I prefer console gaming and after 8 years of being stuck with s***ty 360 graphics and ports it's time for an upgrade.

BF4 doesn't even matter at the end of the day. It is nothing more than a port and a transgenerational game. What about the games built from the ground up for each system? Sony's games are obviously going to look better and not just by a small difference. The fact that KI can't even reach 1080p speaks wonders.

Regardless of the graphical debate though. Why did you skip over my Kinect questions? What exactly makes X1 such a great next gen gaming entertainment solution? It plays movies just like ps4 does, it can browse the web just like ps4 does. Is it Snap? multitasking is not a new concept nor is it something that should have been a focus in a gaming system over making games look and play the best they possibly can. -_-

Again I ask you, what exactly makes the x1 the best "next gen gaming and entertainment solution"
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1. No offense meant in the suggestion of sticking with PC if specs matter that much to you, but seriously - if resolution is that important to you, you won't get what you want from next gen consoles... and you will get that from PC's - today... and they'll only get better...

2. I don't at all agree with your assertion that Sony's games will look better. There's no proof of that yet, and all of the current data we have suggests we're in a PS3/360 like situaiton this gen... with roles reversed. They're essentially the same in what they can deliver, and the minor differences will be utterly trivial for all but the most scrupulous fanboys.

3. I've expressed why Kinect makes the experience next gen, and why without it - the experience is severely lacking. It's like adding a mouse to a PC... the mouse doesn't replace the keyboard, it augments it. The two together provide an experience either alone cannot... and that's what we'll see this gen.

As for what makes X1 a better gaming and entertainment solution, take a look at my previous posts. I don't have the time to simply re-iterate posts I've already spent time writing.
 
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