Call Of Duty: Black Ops "Cold War" (2020)

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So it's using the old dated 98 engine instead of the new engine?
Not sure, but there's no mounting and none of the smooth animations from MW. It is going to feel very weird bouncing between Warzone and the MW engine and this one. Not that it feels completely off, but definitely very different.
 
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From my limited experience, yes for the most part.

-The lighting is better so you don't get the super dark corners like in MW
-Ninja keeps your footsteps quieter, but most people are going to run ghost anyway
-The maps are a little big, so they don't always have obvious camping spots. I mean, camping is totally viable but you're probably not going to get tons of kills.

I was having the most success flanking cautiously. Of course hardly anyone knows the maps so it is too early to tell. The spawns flip a lot less so far, so things play a lot more predictably?

If the lag comp is as strong as it feels... it is probably a no buy for me. It could just be different skills, but it felt really strong. Like I could go down the list of players and tell you which ones I have a better connection than and not. There's always one guy that I can't get damage on without dying. I mean, can players be better than me? Sure, but to not even be able to get a shot off? Either they are super human fast or there's lag comp.
I like camping, especially when it pisses people off and they rage on the mic and in the lobby and call me out. I just tell them I never rage over them running and gunning, so it's all good.
 
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Honestly, if they fix the skill based matchmaking and I hear that the final netcode is better, I can see it being fun.

If the SBMM is the same as MW and the netcode isn't great though... I'll pass. Granted MW netcode worked pretty well for me until the past couple of months. There was always lag, but I felt more often than not, my skill mattered over the netcode. In this game I didn't get that feel.
 

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Here is the DL link:

 

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I hope the campaign can be a bit longer. MW3 campaign is good, but Super short
 

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More old school Black Ops feel? Sign me up.

Honestly this will probably be the only next gen game I get right away at launch. Am excite.
 

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The other thing that needs changed is the scorestreaks. Dying doesn't reset your streaks, so the 2nd half of the match is streak spam. Going without death helps increase the rate, so you still need to be good to get longer streaks, but everyone is going to have spyplanes up in the game. Seeing higher streaks is still really common even though people aren't wrecking (at least in MW you can go after someone who is on a streak). The late game gets really campy and slow paced with everyone spamming.

I think they need to tone that stuff way down and focus more on the gunplay.
 

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The other thing that needs changed is the scorestreaks. Dying doesn't reset your streaks, so the 2nd half of the match is streak spam. Going without death helps increase the rate, so you still need to be good to get longer streaks, but everyone is going to have spyplanes up in the game. Seeing higher streaks is still really common even though people aren't wrecking (at least in MW you can go after someone who is on a streak). The late game gets really campy and slow paced with everyone spamming.

I think they need to tone that stuff way down and focus more on the gunplay.
I actually like that and welcome it. Certain streaks shouldn't be unattainable.
 
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I actually like that and welcome it. Certain streaks shouldn't be unattainable.
I don't mind the concept, it just ends up filling the skies at the end. It makes ghost required as everyone is going to have a spyplane at the end.

Basically, they went to the opposite extreme was MW. In MW it was hard to get any streaks. In this, there are too many low level ones.
 

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I don't mind the concept, it just ends up filling the skies at the end. It makes ghost required as everyone is going to have a spyplane at the end.

Basically, they went to the opposite extreme was MW. In MW it was hard to get any streaks. In this, there are too many low level ones.
I'm not the type of player that would ever get their streak long enough for, let's say, a tactical nuke. There was a perk, I believe, that made streaks carryover when you get killed. Don't remember which game it was.
 
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I have no self control, and this game beta is available today on PS4 only if you pre-ordered it. I don't want the game for PS4, but I want to play it tonight.

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Granted it is closed beta and a limited population, but the streamers (who are generally overly positive about the game since they make a living off it) are having major lag (lag comp) issues. It isn't like they hit a couple of lag spikes and bad matches. They hit it a lot and rarely had a good game.

Normally I take the clickbait of streamers with a bit of caution, but the same message keeps getting repeated a lot. I hear a lot about the "attacker advantage" which is basically lag compensation. I love a run and gun game, but the only reason for the moving target to have an advantage is lag. The moving target is laggier and takes less damage.

 

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Granted it is closed beta and a limited population, but the streamers (who are generally overly positive about the game since they make a living off it) are having major lag (lag comp) issues. It isn't like they hit a couple of lag spikes and bad matches. They hit it a lot and rarely had a good game.

Normally I take the clickbait of streamers with a bit of caution, but the same message keeps getting repeated a lot. I hear a lot about the "attacker advantage" which is basically lag compensation. I love a run and gun game, but the only reason for the moving target to have an advantage is lag. The moving target is laggier and takes less damage.

Wonder if they went back to not using dedicated servers?
 

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Wonder if they went back to not using dedicated servers?
I'm actually wondering if the old game and this game are sharing the same servers? In MW, the game got really laggy right before the alpha for this game came out.

I wonder if they are running both games off the same servers to save money. MW was so good for me from a netcode standpoint until early this year where it just went "old COD" and it is like someone opened up a lag bomb. That's right around the time they were internal testing the new game.
 

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The beta is open on PS4. I gave it a try. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. The netcode didn't feel as bad as some were saying (those Youtubers don't understand that they are the only ones playing at 9am sometimes). That said there still seems to be a rusher advantage. You will start taking hits before you see someone on screen. It isn't awful, but it doesn't feel quite right.

Everything with the game feels like a step back. The animations feel so clunky after MW. I'm not sure how much of it is the netcode vs the animations. People get close to you and it feels janky in a lot of ways. I found myself just spraying and praying a lot.

Scorestreaks are just out of control. The 2nd half of the match is just scorestreak spam. People have to call in their spy planes at the same time because there are so many. I don't mind scorestreaks, but making them easy means that it is spam central at the end. You're easily going to have higher end streaks spamming your spawn in the late round.

Some positives:
-Spawning seems way way better so far. I never spawned in a spot I felt was bad. I was never miles from the action, but always had room to move. Granted, people might just not know the spawns well enough yet, but they feel logical.

-The gameplay has an old school Black Ops feel to it which isn't terrible. Feel like good aim is rewarded. The slightly longer time to kill actually works great. Guns are still deadly, but you have a small chance to beat a camper who tried to pre-aim you, where in MW you'd be insta-dead. (it could be the netcode though)

Right now I'll say I am not buying at launch with all the new games coming this fall, but when I see it on sale I'll probably grab it at some point. I feel like this could be a good year to skip.
 
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The beta is open on PS4. I gave it a try. I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. The netcode didn't feel as bad as some were saying (those Youtubers don't understand that they are the only ones playing at 9am sometimes). That said there still seems to be a rusher advantage. You will start taking hits before you see someone on screen. It isn't awful, but it doesn't feel quite right.

Everything with the game feels like a step back. The animations feel so clunky after MW. I'm not sure how much of it is the netcode vs the animations. People get close to you and it feels janky in a lot of ways. I found myself just spraying and praying a lot.

Scorestreaks are just out of control. The 2nd half of the match is just scorestreak spam. People have to call in their spy planes at the same time because there are so many. I don't mind scorestreaks, but making them easy means that it is spam central at the end. You're easily going to have higher end streaks spamming your spawn in the late round.

Some positives:
-Spawning seems way way better so far. I never spawned in a spot I felt was bad. I was never miles from the action, but always had room to move. Granted, people might just not know the spawns well enough yet, but they feel logical.

-The gameplay has an old school Black Ops feel to it which isn't terrible. Feel like good aim is rewarded. The slightly longer time to kill actually works great. Guns are still deadly, but you have a small chance to beat a camper who tried to pre-aim you, where in MW you'd be insta-dead. (it could be the netcode though)

Right now I'll say I am not buying at launch with all the new games coming this fall, but when I see it on sale I'll probably grab it at some point. I feel like this could be a good year to skip.
You had me at good spawns and old school Black Ops feel.

Is the beta going to be free to play on XBox this week or do you have to preorder?
 

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Just played on PS4. It’s call of Duty through and through. No jet packs no wall running. Just good ol fashioned COD. I like it. Waiting now for the Xbox beta. Gotta use my Elite 2 😍
Game is great. Wow I can't believe I just said this.
I wish I had a Elite like controller for the PS5 😕
 
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You had me at good spawns and old school Black Ops feel.

Is the beta going to be free to play on XBox this week or do you have to preorder?
Next weekend opens up for all platforms. First for preorder, but by Saturday it is open to all. I really think people should try this before preordering. I'm interested in what others think.

Weekend Two: All Platforms (Crossplay)

The second Beta weekend is available on all three platforms, and it’s scheduled to run from Thursday, October 15 to Monday, October 19. As a complete connected experience, crossplay will be active allowing you to party up with friends and the greater community, no matter what they play on.

PlayStation 4: Regardless of whether you digitally pre-ordered the game or not, Weekend 2 is a free Open Beta for all PlayStation 4 owners.

Xbox and PC Early Access: Those who pre-ordered the game digitally for Xbox One, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X, or pre-purchased for PC via Blizzard Battle.net can begin playing the Beta on Thursday, October 15 and on Friday, October 16. Xbox Live Gold is required for Xbox players, and PC players are required to have a Battle.net account.

Xbox and PC Open Beta: The rest of the weekend, from Saturday, October 17 to Monday, October 19, is accessible to Xbox and PC players regardless of pre-order status. Now, everyone in the Call of Duty community can hop on and play together.
 

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Next weekend opens up for all platforms. First for preorder, but by Saturday it is open to all. I really think people should try this before preordering. I'm interested in what others think.
After playing the beta on PS4 yesterday, I am sold. Gonna pre-order it for XSX.

Edit: Might get it for PS5 now because a buddy of mine is getting it on PS5.
 
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