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Still trying to act like Sony would suddenly start releasing all first party games on Xbox if Xbox did it for PS?

Only reason The Show series came to Xbox was because the MLB said they would take the rights away from Sony if it didn't.
 
The Wolf King said:
Still trying to act like Sony would suddenly start releasing all first party games on Xbox if Xbox did it for PS?

Only reason The Show series came to Xbox was because the MLB said they would take the rights away from Sony if it didn't.
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Well since some Xbox fans count PC as MS platform here, Sony has been releasing them since 2017 😉
 
Which isn't what's being talked about at all.

But then in regards to that MS is already ahead of the curve and releasing titles as MP before others. Including on Switch and PS.
 
Someone is salty that Sony continues to buy publishers and developers in record numbers.
 
Kvally said:
He just signed a 10 year deal for new COD games with PS.
He signed zero deals with Sony to have Minecraft remain on PS, as well as the new Minecraft games such as Minecraft Legends and Minecraft Dungeons.
Elder Scrolls Online releases new expansions, and PS also receives them.

PS ain't getting all the games, that is for sure. But the more multiplayer centric, it looks like they will release them on PS.

But I agree with Nadella. It would be nice to be able to end Xbox exclusives. But Sony would have to also participate. Until then, it looks like Xbox will get getting games, and Sony won't.
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Xbox Series X consoles are selling out thanks to classic Call Of Duty

Xbox Series X consoles are selling out all thanks to the recent classic Call of Duty boom.
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Dtwice said:
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Xbox Series X consoles are selling out thanks to classic Call Of Duty

Xbox Series X consoles are selling out all thanks to the recent classic Call of Duty boom.
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So who knew. Xbox increased and shifted market share by fixing super old Call of Duty games.

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DriedMangoes said:
Then why say that at all if they are not going to act on it ?

The reason why gamers get that misconception is because MS themselves say they would like to do A, but they do B.
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They say it for PR reasons, they don't believe it and Wolf knows it too lol. Why get in the hardware business if you just want every console to have the exact same thing? just be a 3rd party developer and release your games on every platform available.
 
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JinCA said:
You really believe they don't want exclusives? lol c'mon now stop buying the PR nonsense.
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Already said I don't belive that.

But the point here is Dried thinks MS should lead by example. Knowing full well Sony would never and will never go down that route no matter how many first party games MS have a Multiplatform.

It also doesn't change the fact that people are STILL crying about MS taking 2 games that they own away from PS.
They could have upgraded a PC or bought an Xbox by now.

And MS have already made more games multiplatform than Sony.
 
The Wolf King said:
Already said I don't belive that.

But the point here is Dried thinks MS should lead by example. Knowing full well Sony would never and will never go down that route no matter how many first party games MS have a Multiplatform.

It also doesn't change the fact that people are STILL crying about MS taking 2 games that they own away from PS.
They could have upgraded a PC or bought an Xbox by now.

And MS have already made more games multiplatform than Sony.
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Ok glad you don't believe that.

MS didn't really make anything multiplatform they bought games that were already multiplatform and left them that way because it made sense financially. Games like Minecraft and ESO weren't made MP by MS they were already on other platforms from the start. I did laugh at Spencer misrepresenting the reason there isn't a native PS5 version of Minecraft because Sony wouldn't give Mojang dev kits before launch when there still isn't a native Series X version of the game either.

People like me are upset at MS just trying to buy up and industry and trying to force it to change because they couldn't compete when it came to creativity and making enough products that brought people to their platform the way it should be done.
 
JinCA said:
They say it for PR reasons, they don't believe it and Wolf knows it too lol. Why get in the hardware business if you just want every console to have the exact same thing? just be a 3rd party developer and release your games on every platform available.
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Exactly.

And MS still wants exclusives because they know that's the only way to gain market share.
 
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DriedMangoes said:
Exactly.

And MS still wants exclusives because they know that's the only way to gain market share.
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Yep that's how the business works, that's how it has always worked. I don't like the idea of buying up publishers to do it either because generally speaking the people who already own that console gain nothing new and it's just addition by subtraction when you take a traditionally multiplatform series and make it exclusive.

Xbox owners already had Activision games at launch so this doesn't benefit them at all except for game pass which will continue to go up in price over time. If MS are allowed to continue to buy big publishers I wouldn't be shocked to see it go up as high as $30-$50 a month in a few years. Look at streaming services, they are all still losing money and they can provide new content a lot faster than a gaming service can.

I also don't like 3rd party exclusive deals either, I know I say this all the time but I wish Sony, MS and Nintendo would refuse to pay for 3rd party exclusive deals and just focus on making their own games. If a 3rd party doesn't want to spend the money on a particular platform because they don't see it making money that's their choice, but nobody should pay to keep games off of another platform IMO.
 
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JinCA said:
Ok glad you don't believe that.

MS didn't really make anything multiplatform they bought games that were already multiplatform and left them that way because it made sense financially. Games like Minecraft and ESO weren't made MP by MS they were already on other platforms from the start. I did laugh at Spencer misrepresenting the reason there isn't a native PS5 version of Minecraft because Sony wouldn't give Mojang dev kits before launch when there still isn't a native Series X version of the game either.

People like me are upset at MS just trying to buy up and industry and trying to force it to change because they couldn't compete when it came to creativity and making enough products that brought people to their platform the way it should be done.
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They released several games on Switch. Allowed spin off titles to IPs they own be made for the DS.

Could have cancelled several versions of games made by studios they have bought in recent years but didn't and continue to support those platforms versions.

Sony have about 1 studio they didn't buy.
 
The Wolf King said:
They released several games on Switch. Allowed spin off titles to IPs they own be made for the DS.

Could have cancelled several versions of games made by studios they have bought in recent years but didn't and continue to support those platforms versions.

Sony have about 1 studio they didn't buy.
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Didn't think about switch, Nintendo isn't really a direct competitor I don't care what anyone says.

Which games could they have cancelled? ESO or minecraft expansions? If you are talking about Deathloop and Ghostwire they had no choice, they were legally bound by the agreement that was signed before they bought Bethesda.

I wish you guys would stop pretending that buying a studio is the same as buying a publisher it's not the same thing and it's a bad faith argument every time you make it. None of these developers Sony have purchased owned popular multiplatform IP that was taken away from anyone else. Nobody complained about MS buying up all of those studios in 2019, they didn't own anything big and it wasn't a major deal for anyone. Bethesda? yeah that sucked but they were looking to be bought anyway, Activision on top of that? yeah that's a bit much.
 
Nintendo/Switch is a competitor. End of.

Sony bought 90% of its studios including some publishers.

People need to stop acting like Sony just created everything they have.
 
The Wolf King said:
Nintendo/Switch is a competitor. End of.

Sony bought 90% of its studios including some publishers.

People need to stop acting like Sony just created everything they have.
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They literally just bought Bungie, and it barely even made waves in the industry. Granted not as massive as Activision/Blizzard, but still one of the most successful live service games out there.

Also, nothing MS makes is exclusive. People keep saying that, but it isn't true. Everything is on PC. Sony games are exclusive because you can only play them on PS hardware (at least for a long time until/if they port them to PC).

A gamer could buy a PC and a PS and be good.
 
Kerosene31 said:
They literally just bought Bungie, and it barely even made waves in the industry. Granted not as massive as Activision/Blizzard, but still one of the most successful live service games out there.

Also, nothing MS makes is exclusive. People keep saying that, but it isn't true. Everything is on PC. Sony games are exclusive because you can only play them on PS hardware (at least for a long time until/if they port them to PC).

A gamer could buy a PC and a PS and be good.
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But jinca is right when he says nobody cared about all the studios MS bought just like nobody cared about the ones Sony bought including Bungie.

We all know buying Activision is different. Whether that is good, bad, or in between is a different argument but what is with the pretending that that acquisition isn't much bigger than anything any of them have ever done?
 
yankeessuck said:
We all know buying Activision is different. Whether that is good, bad, or in between is a different argument but what is with the pretending that that acquisition isn't much bigger than anything any of them have ever done?
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Why? What is the arbitrary "too big to be bought" limit? Somewhere between Bungie and Acti/Bliz?

Either it is ok to buy studios or not. They are going to put COD on Game Pass and the rest of the world will keep on spinning just as it did before.
 
Kerosene31 said:
Why? What is the arbitrary "too big to be bought" limit? Somewhere between Bungie and Acti/Bliz?

Either it is ok to buy studios or not. They are going to put COD on Game Pass and the rest of the world will keep on spinning just as it did before.
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But again I said whether its good or not is a different argument. I am simply saying it is obviously different for them to buy Activision vs them buying Playground. They can both be just as ok in your eyes but we all know its a different level.
 
yankeessuck said:
But jinca is right when he says nobody cared about all the studios MS bought just like nobody cared about the ones Sony bought including Bungie.

We all know buying Activision is different. Whether that is good, bad, or in between is a different argument but what is with the pretending that that acquisition isn't much bigger than anything any of them have ever done?
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People are still crying at them buying Bethesda.
 
yankeessuck said:
But again I said whether its good or not is a different argument. I am simply saying it is obviously different for them to buy Activision vs them buying Playground. They can both be just as ok in your eyes but we all know its a different level.
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I honestly believe Acti/Bliz is poised for a fall. I think MS is "buying high" on them. I think they are ready for an EA like fall from grace. COD is a hot mess right now. They still haven't revealed their new game, and it seems like it is going to be a $70 expansion. Their comp scene is a joke with cheaters in their pro tourneys, and former COD streamers playing CSGO. Of course COD is still a massive cash cow the industry shifts. Diablo 4 is selling like crazy, but the community is in full revolt mode right now (granted that's pretty normal).

Honestly if I ran MS, I'd have let the deal expire and found something better to invest in.

Now, how did this juggernaut of gaming form? Mergers of course. In a perfect world, they'd all be their separate thing, but that's not reality (remember, Bungie was under Acti for awhile, imagine that...).

I think back to what EA was 10 years ago and I'm surprised gamers haven't turned on Activision the same way. Maybe they won't...
 
Spending billions on a publisher is much different than spending millions on a studio.

MS bought Zenimax for 7.5 billion, Sony then bought Bungie for 3.5 billion as a result (MS was also looking at getting Bungie). Now MS is trying to get ATVI for 75 billion. Yet people think there is no difference ? Even just from Zenimax to ATVI there is a 10 fold difference lol. And from Zenimax to single studios , there's a hundred fold difference. Not to mention the huge amount of IPs that come with these publishers. Come on now people.
 
Kerosene31 said:
I honestly believe Acti/Bliz is poised for a fall. I think MS is "buying high" on them. I think they are ready for an EA like fall from grace. COD is a hot mess right now. They still haven't revealed their new game, and it seems like it is going to be a $70 expansion. Their comp scene is a joke with cheaters in their pro tourneys, and former COD streamers playing CSGO. Of course COD is still a massive cash cow the industry shifts. Diablo 4 is selling like crazy, but the community is in full revolt mode right now (granted that's pretty normal).

Honestly if I ran MS, I'd have let the deal expire and found something better to invest in.

Now, how did this juggernaut of gaming form? Mergers of course. In a perfect world, they'd all be their separate thing, but that's not reality (remember, Bungie was under Acti for awhile, imagine that...).

I think back to what EA was 10 years ago and I'm surprised gamers haven't turned on Activision the same way. Maybe they won't...
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King/Candy Crush alone is a big enough reason why MS won't back out.
I don't see COD falling off any time soon either.
 
JinCA said:
Ok glad you don't believe that.

MS didn't really make anything multiplatform they bought games that were already multiplatform and left them that way because it made sense financially. Games like Minecraft and ESO weren't made MP by MS they were already on other platforms from the start. I did laugh at Spencer misrepresenting the reason there isn't a native PS5 version of Minecraft because Sony wouldn't give Mojang dev kits before launch when there still isn't a native Series X version of the game either.

People like me are upset at MS just trying to buy up and industry and trying to force it to change because they couldn't compete when it came to creativity and making enough products that brought people to their platform the way it should be done.
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Legends and Dungeons were never on PS.
 
DriedMangoes said:
Spending billions on a publisher is much different than spending millions on a studio.

MS bought Zenimax for 7.5 billion, Sony then bought Bungie for 3.5 billion as a result (MS was also looking at getting Bungie). Now MS is trying to get ATVI for 75 billion. Yet people think there is no difference ? Even just from Zenimax to ATVI there is a 10 fold difference lol. And from Zenimax to single studios , there's a hundred fold difference. Not to mention the huge amount of IPs that come with these publishers. Come on now people.
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Sony paid more than they should’ve for Bungie?
 
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