FCC Approves Net Neutrality Rules For 'Open Internet'. Ended by orange turd and losers.

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FCC peeps are going to end up in jail
They also (allegedly) flat out lied about a denial of service attack after John Oliver's show. They were asked to provide evidence of that and never did. There was likely never a hack, just a bunch of people commenting aver Oliver's show (which I believe is hugely popular).
 

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They also (allegedly) flat out lied about a denial of service attack after John Oliver's show.
Yes, but you have to understand how technically-minded these people are, and therefore assume that if they're trying to bang their intern and she says no (and they don't force her), that's a "denial of service". #GrabHerByTheBroadband
 

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Time for an investigation into the FCC and it's "leadership."

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/vbympa/net-neutrality-fcc-inspector-general-report

Internal FCC Report Shows Republican Net Neutrality Narrative Is False
The story of net neutrality as an Obama-led takeover of the internet was refuted by an Inspector General investigation whose findings were not made public prior to Thursday’s vote.

A core Republican talking point during the net neutrality battle was that, in 2015, President Obama led a government takeover of the internet, and Obama illegally bullied the independent Federal Communications Commission into adopting the rules. In this version of the story, Ajit Pai’s rollback of those rules Thursday is a return to the good old days, before the FCC was forced to adopt rules it never wanted in the first place.

“On express orders from the previous White House, the FCC scrapped the tried-and-true, light touch regulation of the Internet and replaced it with heavy-handed micromanagement,” Pai said Thursday prior to voting to repeal the regulations.

But internal FCC documents obtained by Motherboard using a Freedom of Information Act request show that the independent, nonpartisan FCC Office of Inspector General—acting on orders from Congressional Republicans—investigated the claim that Obama interfered with the FCC’s net neutrality process and found it was nonsense. This Republican narrative of net neutrality as an Obama-led takeover of the internet, then, was wholly refuted by an independent investigation and its findings were not made public prior to Thursday’s vote.

First, some background: The FCC is an independent regulatory agency that is supposed to remain “free from undue influence” by the executive branch—it is not beholden to the White House, only the laws that Congress makes and tells it to regulate. This means the president cannot direct it to implement policies. In November 2014, President Obama released a statement saying that he believed the FCC should create rules protecting net neutrality, but noted that “ultimately this decision is theirs alone.”

This statement kicked the Obama-is-taking-over-the-internet talking point into overdrive (fringe conservative groups had already been calling net neutrality “Marxist” in emails to Republican mailing lists).

In early December 2014, the FCC, then led by Tom Wheeler, announced it would delay tackling net neutrality until 2015. Conservatives attributed this delay to Obama’s meddling, and pointed to a Wall Street Journal article noting that there were “unusual, secretive efforts inside the White House, led by two aides,” that led to the FCC adopting the regulations.

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee called in Wheeler to discuss the FCC’s relationship with the White House. Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz said Obama’s statement caused Wheeler to “radically alter course,” asked Wheeler if the FCC had secret meetings with the White House, and demanded that the FCC’s Inspector General investigate: “I think there’s enough smoke here that it’s really worth looking at,” he said.

Using a Freedom of Information Act request, Motherboard obtained a summary of the Inspector General’s report, which has not been released publicly and is marked “Official Use Only, Law Enforcement Sensitive Information." After reviewing more than 600,000 emails, the independent office found that there was no collusion between the White House and the FCC: “We found no evidence of secret deals, promises, or threats from anyone outside the Commission, nor any evidence of any other improper use of power to influence the FCC decision-making process.” This document is embedded below.​
 

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It is scary how many people just totally fall for the lies and anti-Obama propaganda.

This isn't even a political debate. The crap the right make up is simply lies and bulls***.

If people are dumb enough to fall for this crap there's simply no hope for the world.
 

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The good thing is lawsuits should keep net neutrality in place for quite a while yet.
 

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Everyone remember next year to vote in the mid-term elections. I'll be voting for anyone who will support net neutrality.
 
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More lies about supposed infrastructure investments (that would have been made either way, probably because Comcast service sucks)

 

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Thank goodness we have the big scary government out of the business of these perfectly innocent and wonderful private companies that just want to treat their customers with respect and love.

 

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It is scary how many people just totally fall for the lies and anti-Obama propaganda.

This isn't even a political debate. The crap the right make up is simply lies and bulls***.

If people are dumb enough to fall for this crap there's simply no hope for the world.
Mark Cuban doesn't seem particularly dumb to me though.
 

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Maybe you could post exactly what Cuban said regarding this rather than just starting a vague argument? I honestly don't know what he said.

A good friend of mine worked for him for many years so I do have some opinions I can share on the Cube :)
 

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Yeah, I know I read you correctly the first time.

It's just difficult to get a gauge on the situation when sides (not just you) are throwing around hyperbolic statements.
It's demonstrable that ISPs were throttling, blocking apps, messing with person email, before the rules went into place.
 

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Maybe you could post exactly what Cuban said regarding this rather than just starting a vague argument? I honestly don't know what he said.

A good friend of mine worked for him for many years so I do have some opinions I can share on the Cube :)
He's ok with doing away with the rules. I read his comments. He's wrong.
 

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Maybe you could post exactly what Cuban said regarding this rather than just starting a vague argument? I honestly don't know what he said.

A good friend of mine worked for him for many years so I do have some opinions I can share on the Cube :)
 

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Cuban is 100% wrong. Here's why:

His entire premise is that bandwidth is limited. Well, of course it is. Net neutrality has nothing to do with that and is not the way to fix it. It isn't even really a problem. The "problem" is that companies like Comcast have a terribly outdated cable TV model. Many people are streaming their entertainment from the internet. Well, Comcast gives you their internet too, so essentially they are selling one service that breaks their other one. So, suddenly they like the idea of being able to throttle traffic like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon. Instead of making their product more desirable or cheaper, they just want to charge us more for the same thing.

To put his argument into practical terms, let's say that a city has a real problem with car traffic. So, one solution would be to triple the price of gas. That's what anti-net neutrality people are saying.

Maybe the guy who runs a failing cable channel that nobody's ever heard of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AXS_TV isn't the best at this. If you want to know how Cuban got rich, he basically got really lucky with some acquisitions during the dotcom boom.
 
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