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60-70 million sold so far, with more sales incoming. Also had record quarter last quarter.



500k sold in July.



Aaron already confirmed they make a profit with Game Pass (more than can be said for Netflix)



Media loves all the games that Xbox has been showing, just sad that there is a lack of game play shown. Better games shown than anything shown by Sony.


Agreed. I think Sony will be going bankrupt sooner than later.
47.42 million at the end of 2019.


I thought I read 17k for July NPD?

MS said it should make profit in the future for Gamepass.

Netflix is on another level than gp.
 
47.42 million at the end of 2019.


I thought I read 17k for July NPD?

MS said it should make profit in the future for Gamepass.

Netflix is on another level than gp.

Statistica? :laugh:

He said short term it is not "big profit" - “Ultimately, we think long term that’s the right thing for the business, and will have long-term benefits for us. But, in the short term, yeah, it’s not a big profit play.”

True. Game Pass makes a profit, Netflix doesn't. But Netflix is successful because of their assets (movies/TV shows). They show a loss because they keep investing in more and more content (assets). Shareholders won't make a dime, but if they sold their company, the assets would make them rich as f***.
 
Statistica? :laugh:

He said short term it is not "big profit" - “Ultimately, we think long term that’s the right thing for the business, and will have long-term benefits for us. But, in the short term, yeah, it’s not a big profit play.”

True. Game Pass makes a profit, Netflix doesn't. But Netflix is successful because of their assets (movies/TV shows). They show a loss because they keep investing in more and more content (assets). Shareholders won't make a dime, but if they sold their company, the assets would make them rich as f***.
I can post some lower numbers from other sources if you like.

Like I said no money for gp now and they are hopeful for it's future. lol
 
I can post some lower numbers from other sources if you like.

Like I said no money for gp now and they are hopeful for it's future. lol
You can post all the numbers from all the "sources" you want. We will be here until you post numbers from Microsoft. Thanks! Until then, it's about 80 million sold through.

It's small profit now, big profit long term. GP > Netflix
 
You can post all the numbers from all the "sources" you want. We will be here until you post numbers from Microsoft. Thanks! Until then, it's about 80 million sold through.

It's small profit now, big profit long term. GP > Netflix
I'm impressed you even try to argue with him lol
 
You can post all the numbers from all the "sources" you want. We will be here until you post numbers from Microsoft. Thanks! Until then, it's about 80 million sold through.

It's small profit now, big profit long term. GP > Netflix
We know MS has been to scared to share sales this gen.
Thankfully the numbers are out there and posted above.
 
We know MS has been to scared to share sales this gen.
Thankfully the numbers are out there and posted above.
Sadly, those are not accurate. Hopefully MS reveals their numbers soon. It looks like they are at about 90 million sold now.
 
Seems more like by postponing his announcement, he's forcing Sony to delay theirs. With less time between the announce and release date, that is basically a multiplier on the pressure for both sides to come in lower on price or whatever else they use to sell the console since there's little time to change perceptions once it drops. Of course, only you would say that MS not revealing the S leaves them without cards while the PS5 having to already announce an All Digital edition gives them greater flexibility, as if dropping a commodity IO component gives greater price flexibility than a console designed specifically for a lower price point, but you also always credit Sony for waiting and say that MS waiting if then being forced into it. It's *almost* as if you are unable to violate your prime directive, no matter how many divide by zero errors you have to ignore.

It doesn't seem like Sony will be launching on November 6 but maybe some time after this. I'm not sure how Microsoft delaying their stream puts pressure on Sony's pricing if Sony plans to announce their stream after Microsoft , especially when Microsoft is closer to that date than Sony.

And you are absolutely correct about Sony unveiling a digital system before Microsoft. But because their digital system isn't very different from their premium version, there is nothing extra that needs to be known about it that we don't already know of the premium other than the fact that it'll be cheaper. We haven't even seen the UI yet, the teardown, their plans for cloud/online, other exclusive deals or 1st party projects, etc.. We don't even have a launch month, let alone a price. Microsoft has covered most of these things already.

As far as the Series S is concerned, it most certainly is designed to be cheaper, but we already knew this. The question is how beneficial will this be to the premium system with two other units to compete with - especially if the Series X ends up being more expensive than those units.
 
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It doesn't seem like Sony will be launching on November 6 but maybe some time after this. I'm not sure how Microsoft delaying their stream puts pressure on Sony's pricing if Sony plans to announce their stream after Microsoft , especially when Microsoft is closer to that date than Sony.

And you are absolutely correct about Sony unveiling a digital system before Microsoft. But because their digital system isn't very different from their premium version, there is nothing extra that needs to be known about it that we don't already know of the premium other than the fact that it'll be cheaper. We haven't even seen the UI yet, the teardown, their plans for cloud/online, other exclusive deals or 1st party projects, etc.. We don't even have a launch month, let alone a price. Microsoft has covered most of these things already.

As far as the Series S is concerned, it most certainly is designed to be cheaper, but we already knew this. The question is how beneficial will this be to the premium system with two other units to compete with - especially if the Series X ends up being more expensive than those units.
Sony will be announcing first. It’s why Phil is being agile and moving the dates to later than Sony.
 
If there are easy difficulty options, I might actually get that on release. Godfall and Miles should keep me busy with the PS5 for a bit.

I always feel bad using the easy difficulty, but I should just accept I'm not as good as I think I am, I find the normal and easy difficulty in God Of War to be quite a big gap though.
 
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Other highlights worth mentioning are the manufacturing process, confirmed to be based on TSMC's 7nm enhanced process, and the fact that the whole System-on-Chip (SoC) Xbox Series X die costs more than that of the Xbox One X. This leaves us with two options: either the Xbox Series X will cost more than the Xbox One X did ($499) when it launched three years ago or Microsoft is going to sell the console at a greater loss per unit this time around. We'll know soon enough, anyway, as pre-orders are expected to go live soon.


Seems unbelievably expensive.

More and more, it makes me think about that Series S and how it was probably supposed to dampen some of that cost until Sony showed up with those two units. I just don't see any other way they could have done it other than eating the cost out right. Hopefully they have another plan because this is starting to look how i pictured it.
 
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Crackdown 3 is a critical failure and thankfully did terrible numbers.

It had a lot of potential and the bones of a good game are there, sadly the developer(s) weren't able to push it across the line. It's not a bad game though it's just not great at anything either.
 
Seems more like by postponing his announcement, he's forcing Sony to delay theirs. With less time between the announce and release date, that is basically a multiplier on the pressure for both sides to come in lower on price or whatever else they use to sell the console since there's little time to change perceptions once it drops. Of course, only you would say that MS not revealing the S leaves them without cards while the PS5 having to already announce an All Digital edition gives them greater flexibility, as if dropping a commodity IO component gives greater price flexibility than a console designed specifically for a lower price point, but you also always credit Sony for waiting and say that MS waiting if then being forced into it. It's *almost* as if you are unable to violate your prime directive, no matter how many divide by zero errors you have to ignore.

Dropping that specific component gives them the ability to lower the price much more than just the cost of the part because it ensures that each all digital console sold will bring in more money per game purchase than the one that includes the UHD drive. The fact that you aren't sacrificing anything else when it comes to the capabilities of the PS5 and being able to offer possibly a $100 price reduction is a big deal compared to buying what is basically an entry level console that's nowhere near as powerful as the other model in the line.

IF that estimate of $600 + to manufacture the XSX is accurate (not sold on that btw) there is no way MS can undercut the PS5 if it's sold at $499 and IF the digital edition comes in at $399 I don't think many people will look at a series S at $299 as a great value.

Of course this is all speculation, we don't know the actual manufacturing costs or what each company is willing to lose. I know people will point to how much more money MS has than Sony but they aren't just going to throw money away either.

If both consoles do end up being $599 it's going to be a slow start to the generation, the hardcore will pay it this holiday but they'll have a much harder time growing over the next year, I think people are willing to go to $500 but that's about it.
 
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Of course this is all speculation, we don't know the actual manufacturing costs or what each company is willing to lose. I know people will point to how much more money MS has than Sony but they aren't just going to throw money away either.

Well, that's the obvious point to anybody who isn't a PR flack or someone auditioning for the role, which is why I still value your contributions here even when we disagree. 👍
 
If both consoles do end up being $599 it's going to be a slow start to the generation, the hardcore will pay it this holiday but they'll have a much harder time growing over the next year, I think people are willing to go to $500 but that's about it.

I know personally at $600 my enthusiasm goes way, way down. I'll probably get one, but I'll definitely be thinking hard on why I really need one.
 
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$600 will be a hard sell for XSX.

Not only that. Phil doesn't care about selling consoles anymore but rather GamePass (I will hold judgment on projections), but what if the PS5 outsells the Xbox by 2, 3 or 4 to 1 as it is being assumed. What will the fate of the Series X be? Are they going to discontinue that console, too, like they did the One X?
 
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Not only that. Phil doesn't care about selling consoles anymore but rather GamePass (I will hold judgment on projections), but what if the PS5 outsells the Xbox by 2, 3 or 4 to 1 as it is being assumed, what will the fate of the Series X be? Are they going to discontinue that console, too, like they did the One X?
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Not only that. Phil doesn't care about selling consoles anymore but rather GamePass (I will hold judgment on projections), but what if the PS5 outsells the Xbox by 2, 3 or 4 to 1 as it is being assumed. What will the fate of the Series X be? Are they going to discontinue that console, too, like they did the One X?

Who's assuming that? Analysts? It will likely sell at least 2-1 but I doubt 4 to 1, we shall see in a couple years time what happens, I really hope not as both companies have their strengths and weaknesses which is a win for those not consumed in the console warz. Plus a couple years will give their first party studios some momentum and hopefully bring some great games. (Lots of hope haha).
 
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$600 is about what the xbox one cost in 2013 here and what I paid for one X, so that's not too bad, but if history repeats itself it'll prob be closer to $700 here if this holds true.
 
Who's assuming that? Analysts? It will likely sell at least 2-1 but I doubt 4 to 1, we shall see in a couple years time what happens, I really hope not as both companies have their strengths and weaknesses which is a win for those not consumed in the console warz. Plus a couple years will give their first party studios some momentum and hopefully bring some great games. (Lots of hope haha).

Well, based on the figures, Sony is expected to sell 120 to 170 PS5 units in 5 years. That is what analysis are projecting. I'm guessing they are basing those figures on the 10 million SKUs Sony plans to ship during launch. On the other end, Phil Spencer isn't concerned at all about selling through Xbox consoles, which is very concerning when you think about price or value; he only cares about services - rather that be the phone, PC, Xbox or whatever all linked to this subscription service. Add anticipation on top of this and i believe this is where those figures are coming from.

I personally don't like engaging in sales if they aren't taking place at the moment.

Like you, i would rather competition remain.
 
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