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I guess that is similar to me haven't read where anyone said that as soon as the Xbox One is in equal countries that it will match the PS4 in sales or surpass the PS4 in sales that very second.
Big difference.
1. posters here on several occasions have indeed insinuated that PS4 sales doing so much better than XB1 had something to do with XB1s launching in less countries.
2. posters here have not insinuated in any way that XB1 would never have the chance to catch up to PS4 in it's lifetime.
The PS4 IS doing better because it is in more countries, and most likely quite a bit better. Though the biggest factor I believe is the price.
Posters HAVE insinuated that the XB1 would never catch up to the PS4, even with more countries, YES. I would agree that some posters have insinuated that the PS4 is ONLY ahead because of being in more countries...though they haven't come right out and said that.
In case you missed it, I said I could be wrong. I haven't read every single post in Union to catch that.
As for PS4 only doing better due to countries that it launched in....get real. Do you honestly believe that XB1 would have sold so far over 2 million in those countries?
That was an "after" post, and I suspect that he was posting in jest.
In any case, no one here has a magic crystal ball to predict what's going to happen 8+ years from now. For all we know, Sony could go out of business and stop producing PS4s a couple of years from now leaving only MS to dominate the gaming landscape.
No. I think the Xbox One would have sold more consoles than they have already though, making the sales gap tighter. I am repeating myself now though.
That would probably put a nail in the coffin for gaming. Lack of competition, lack of innovation, and a move to probably PC and mobile gaming and no more console gaming. Don't even paint such a scary picture.
I don't think it's something that'll happen, nor would I want it to happen. I want both consoles to be successful. More gaming options is just all around better for us gamers.
Those two are insignificant. I will add late launch and a PS4 head start to things that will work against the Xbox One.
Xbox One's processing power is not going to be a problem for it. It is within the same generation of tech as PS4 with very similar silicon architecture all from the same vendor. They have used tech that is 'good enough' for third party games with identical content and art assets abeit at a lower pixel count sometimes. Price and other factors (games, online, services etc) matters more than tech specs and resolution differences to the larger potential audience.
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A problem MS got themselves into.
But I disagree about spec. Like any electronics, price, brand, & specs are factors in determine sales. Since X360 & PS3 are neck to neck last gen, their popularity is about same. So we left price & spec, both are disadvantages to MS. Kinect is suppose to justify the difference, but until there is content, its a device that does voice commands & videos capture (with a vastly underutilized gesture control, which is suppose to be the main function of kinect, & put most of R&D), not features that excite most people over cheaper price & better spec.
Insignificant to you doesn't mean insignificant to the general public.
When someone sees a console that is $100 more, with weaker specs and includes some "new fangled doo dad" they don't completely understand it turns them off. This thread isn't about the validity of my opinions on the XB1, it's about sales and these factors ARE contributing to their lowered sales compared to a supply constrained competitor.
and a late launch? didn't XB1 launch like 10 days after PS4?
And the WiiU is the weakest this gen, your point?
The Wii was cheaper than the other two for a long, long time.
You know that and I know that but the general public sees "better on PS4" and "another game performs better on PS4" and "is the xbox one ever going to catch up to the PS4 in game visuals and performance" and guess what?
They want a PS4 instead of an XB1, because they want the "BEST"
Wii shows power difference is insignificant. The power difference between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 is nowhere near the difference of the Wii and the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
Late launch in the remaining countries which is what was being discussed.
Wait for the "If you want Best, you should get a PC!" comments.
About the Wii comments, its ok to be weak, but only if you sell cheap. Than it will sell. Why people buy Toyota corolla instead of a BMW 3 series.
As for late launch, I think Plainview meant in rest of the world (in september later this year).
Perception > reality. There's definitely an anti-MS sentiment out there. Even the average consumer out there who never visits a place like this has to be impacted by it.
It started with the DRM debacle which even casuals heard a lot about and keeps going on. Combine the higher price and it doesn't surprise me one bit that MS is behind Sony.
It started with the DRM debacle which even casuals heard a lot about and keeps going on. Combine the higher price and it doesn't surprise me one bit that MS is behind Sony.
I think using Wii is not a good comparison, Firstly while weaker it was also quite a bit cheaper, also the target audiences are difference. The same way you would not compare a economy car with a premium car. You compare one premium car to another. A person who look for BMW/Merc/Audi will not cross shop with a Fiat.
X1 & PS4 are targeting the same audience. The evidence is they both have mostly same multiplat games. Just saying.
Anyway, I am not saying whoever have the greatest power win, but they must be quite identical. Combine weaker hardware and higher price, its not helping MS, & sales reflect this.
I never for a moment believe the 'Hate'. Its just the same fan boys that has been around forever doing what they do.
80+ million sales of X360, neck to neck with PS3 is the proof. People do not suddenly hate a company/brand, that was so well loved.
MS made a mistake on DRM, they remedy it & people have long moved on. Its mainly the price point & secondary the spec. Not Kinect, & certainly not 'hate'.
Ok, got it, sell it within 30 bucks to PS4, have more contents for Kinect, better value for gold. At least MS knows selling more expensive have backfired.
At this rate Wii U needs to be 150 with tons of games to beast it. Take out the gamepad and it could have happened. I have no idea what Nintendo is thinking though, it's almost as if they don't even want to try to move the Wii U. Either Nintendo is dumbfounded or they have another system in planning. Not sure what that could be but a 300 dollar box around fall 2015 that beats PS4 and X1 would turn heads. Need to launch with good software though, a big Mario title (3d etc) Wave race would be a good start.
MS was selling good but not PS4 good and they have been making big moves. Nintendo basically just thought... well, I have no idea what they were thinking. They did very little to fix the problem. After sales dived, 2nd holiday they should have ripped out the gamepad and re branded the thing. I guess the problem for the wii us is that no one cares for the pad and without the pad it's just a PS3.
MS was selling good but not PS4 good and they have been making big moves. Nintendo basically just thought... well, I have no idea what they were thinking. They did very little to fix the problem. After sales dived, 2nd holiday they should have ripped out the gamepad and re branded the thing. I guess the problem for the wii us is that no one cares for the pad and without the pad it's just a PS3.
MS beleived in their vision of tv carrying the xbox and kinect being a part of that experience. Talked about it before, but they shouldn't have tested the market with the first Kinect and they would have had that hype to help with the tv plan they originally had. It may be very unfortunate for them to have released the first kinect because with the hype it had and eventually all but mostly deflated, plus the integrated tv stuff of the x1, it may have actually been the go to device for tv and movies as they originally wanted.
Don't be so sure. I know a few people who still don't like what MS tried to do, even though they did end up reversing on it. Also, while the DRM debacle was big news, the reversal wasn't. There are more casual fans out there who didn't follow the details of the reversal. One friend asked me the other day how often I had to connect online to make X1 work.
Casuals don't live and die by this stuff. Most will never see a thread like this. They hear a few things and that impacts their decision, especially when you combine the higher price.
The gamepad has to stay because it is what defines the system for better or worse. Without it you break compatibility with existing software and end up with a slightly more powerful 360/PS3, as you said, with no unique selling point. This contradicts the already muddled message about what the system is about.
The Wii U is a product that has failed, it does not and will never have mass appeal. It will continue as is for the next couple of years with a few great games but Nintendo, I think, are probably looking towards its replacement already. The Wii was cheap to build and was priced accordingly, the gamepad adds a considerable cost to Wii U's bill of materials and it has been too expensive from the start. I think that Nintendo may silently kill it within those two years if they can't cut price and remain profitable
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Nope. Not in worldwide sales. The playstation brand is simply more popular worldwide.
For the Xbox One to beat the PS4 in worldwide sales, it would have either had to launch at $300 (or less) and/or release a full year before the PS4. There's really nothing MS can do in terms of worldwide sales. I honestly think they care far more about getting people locked into the XBL ecosystem than being #1 in worldwide sales... Well, that is if being #1 in worldwide sales gave them a lower percentage of XBL subscribers that are using the system.
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