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I don't know why they keep trying to bother, just focus on europe and usa japan pretty much belongs to nintendo even Sony is starting to focus less in Japan.
Microsoft has no intention of starting to publicly disclose console sales numbers again, even if Xbox Series X/S greatly outperforms PlayStation 5.
“I can promise you that I won’t do that,” Xbox boss Phil Spencer told The Guardian. Instead, Microsoft will continue to use monthly active users as its key metric for success.
“I know it seems manipulative and I’ll apologise for that, but I don’t want my team’s focus on [console sales],” Spencer said. “The primary outcome of all the work that we do is how many players we see, and how often they play. That is what drives Xbox.
“If I start to highlight something else, both publicly and internally, it changes our focus. Things that lack backwards compatibility become less interesting. Putting our games on PC becomes a reason that somebody doesn’t have to go and buy an Xbox Series X.
And what about if the Xbox Series X/S vastly outsell the PlayStation 5? Will he start talking about console sales again if that happens? “I can promise you that I won’t do that,” he answers. “In the last year we’ve had Google and Amazon and now Facebook announcing they’re coming into our gaming space. I’m not gonna go compete with their numbers based on how many Xbox Series X I’ve sold. [Google] is never gonna talk about how many Chromecast Pros they sold. They’re gonna talk about how many players they have.
“I’ll hold fast to this. We publicly disclose player numbers. That’s the thing I want us to be driven by, not how many individual pieces of plastic did we sell.”
Earlier this year Spencer said Microsoft now views Amazon and Google as its primary competitors in the games business, rather than its traditional rivals Nintendo and PlayStation, which he said aren’t set up to compete in the race to take gaming truly mainstream via the cloud.
“I think the people who want to pit us against Sony based on who sold the most consoles lose the context of what gaming is about today,” he told The Guardian. “There are three billion people who play games on the planet today, but maybe [only] 200 million households that have a video game console. In a way, the console space is becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall gaming pie.”
Microsoft launched Xbox Series X/S on November 10 while PlayStation 5 debuts on November 12. In terms of which new console ships more units this holiday season, Spencer believes the victor will be determined by production capacity as demand for the machines is far outstripping supply.
“I can promise you that I won’t do that,” Xbox boss Phil Spencer told The Guardian. Instead, Microsoft will continue to use monthly active users as its key metric for success.
“I know it seems manipulative and I’ll apologise for that, but I don’t want my team’s focus on [console sales],” Spencer said. “The primary outcome of all the work that we do is how many players we see, and how often they play. That is what drives Xbox.
“If I start to highlight something else, both publicly and internally, it changes our focus. Things that lack backwards compatibility become less interesting. Putting our games on PC becomes a reason that somebody doesn’t have to go and buy an Xbox Series X.
And what about if the Xbox Series X/S vastly outsell the PlayStation 5? Will he start talking about console sales again if that happens? “I can promise you that I won’t do that,” he answers. “In the last year we’ve had Google and Amazon and now Facebook announcing they’re coming into our gaming space. I’m not gonna go compete with their numbers based on how many Xbox Series X I’ve sold. [Google] is never gonna talk about how many Chromecast Pros they sold. They’re gonna talk about how many players they have.
“I’ll hold fast to this. We publicly disclose player numbers. That’s the thing I want us to be driven by, not how many individual pieces of plastic did we sell.”
Earlier this year Spencer said Microsoft now views Amazon and Google as its primary competitors in the games business, rather than its traditional rivals Nintendo and PlayStation, which he said aren’t set up to compete in the race to take gaming truly mainstream via the cloud.
“I think the people who want to pit us against Sony based on who sold the most consoles lose the context of what gaming is about today,” he told The Guardian. “There are three billion people who play games on the planet today, but maybe [only] 200 million households that have a video game console. In a way, the console space is becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall gaming pie.”
Microsoft launched Xbox Series X/S on November 10 while PlayStation 5 debuts on November 12. In terms of which new console ships more units this holiday season, Spencer believes the victor will be determined by production capacity as demand for the machines is far outstripping supply.
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Yeah they aren't going to win the console battle. It's nice that they recognize that and focus on the bigger picture.
Dec 2020 US NPD THREAD - December 2020 consumer spending across video game hardware, content and accessories reached a December record $7.7B, 25% higher when compared to a year ago. Full year spending also set a new record, totaling $56.9B, 27% higher than 2019.
US NPD Hardware -
Hardware dollar sales reached $1.35 billion in December 2020, an increase of 38 percent when compared to a year ago, and the highest total for a Decemeber month since the $1.37 billion achieved in December 2013.
Annual hardware dollar sales totaled $5.3 billion, 35% higher than 2019, and the most since $5.6 billion was reached in 2011.
Nintendo Switch was the best-selling hardware platform in units and dollars for both December and the 2020 year. Annual dollar sales of Switch hardware were the 2nd highest for a platform in U.S. history. Only the 2008 dollar sales of Nintendo Wii were higher.
PlayStation 5 finished 2020 as the #2 best-selling console in dollar sales, while PlayStation 4 ranked 2nd in units sold. PlayStation 5 set a new dollar sales record for PlayStation hardware through each platform's first December.
US NPD SW -
Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War was the best-selling game of both December as well as 2020, while Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was 2020's 2nd best-seller. Call of Duty ranked as the best-selling gaming franchise in the U.S. market for a record 12th consecutive year.
Animal Crossing: New Horizons was 2020's 3rd best-selling title, and the 6th best-selling game of December. In 2020 the title achieved the highest physical dollar sales for a Nintendo published game in a calendar year since Wii Fit Plus in 2010.
Cyberpunk 2077 debuted as the #2 best-selling game of December, and the 19th best-selling game of 2020, despite the lack of digital tracking.
The Last of Us: Part II finished 2020 as the year's 6th best-selling title overall. The Last of Us: Part II now ranks as the 3rd best-selling Sony published game in U.S. history in dollar sales, trailing only Marvel's Spider-Man and 2018's God of War.
Half of the top 20 best-selling games of December 2020 were published by Nintendo.
US NPD Hardware -
Hardware dollar sales reached $1.35 billion in December 2020, an increase of 38 percent when compared to a year ago, and the highest total for a Decemeber month since the $1.37 billion achieved in December 2013.
Annual hardware dollar sales totaled $5.3 billion, 35% higher than 2019, and the most since $5.6 billion was reached in 2011.
Nintendo Switch was the best-selling hardware platform in units and dollars for both December and the 2020 year. Annual dollar sales of Switch hardware were the 2nd highest for a platform in U.S. history. Only the 2008 dollar sales of Nintendo Wii were higher.
PlayStation 5 finished 2020 as the #2 best-selling console in dollar sales, while PlayStation 4 ranked 2nd in units sold. PlayStation 5 set a new dollar sales record for PlayStation hardware through each platform's first December.
US NPD SW -
Call of Duty: Black Ops: Cold War was the best-selling game of both December as well as 2020, while Call of Duty: Modern Warfare was 2020's 2nd best-seller. Call of Duty ranked as the best-selling gaming franchise in the U.S. market for a record 12th consecutive year.
Animal Crossing: New Horizons was 2020's 3rd best-selling title, and the 6th best-selling game of December. In 2020 the title achieved the highest physical dollar sales for a Nintendo published game in a calendar year since Wii Fit Plus in 2010.
Cyberpunk 2077 debuted as the #2 best-selling game of December, and the 19th best-selling game of 2020, despite the lack of digital tracking.
The Last of Us: Part II finished 2020 as the year's 6th best-selling title overall. The Last of Us: Part II now ranks as the 3rd best-selling Sony published game in U.S. history in dollar sales, trailing only Marvel's Spider-Man and 2018's God of War.
Half of the top 20 best-selling games of December 2020 were published by Nintendo.
Your argument is mathematically flawed. Call of duty is release on 5 platforms, with a higher userbase, so being higher in sales is not unexpected.
To make an argument that Multiplat game is more popular, you have to compare to sales of the game on the platform to compare, say CoD on PS4 against other Exclusives on PS4.
Even if CoD sold better than another exclusive, it still doesn't imply exclusives do not matter or not affect significant decision making.
That will be like a survey of what most people want with their car, & the top answer is getting from A to B, & then concluded, therefore, car with higher performance or luxuries do not matter to consumers.
I wasn’t talking about exclusives. Just saying that multiplatform games are the best selling.
Makes sense because they are tracking the sales of the title across all of the consoles/platforms. Especially for a franchise as popular as COD.
Again the obvious flaw. No one doubt CoD is popular.
But sales = function(popularity, userbase) You cannot ignore the size of the userbase when you talk about popularity.
A better (while not perfect) gauge of popularity is sales/userbase.
That's bad judgement because there's no context in it.
Isn't it common sense for the title which has been popular since its release 18 years ago and is released on ALL gaming platforms to be #1 in sales? Come on now Hedon. You're better than this.
But then...
GTAV.. an xbox 360/PS3 game is also the best selling PS4 game.
6 of the 10 best selling PS4 games are multiplatform
GTAV.. an xbox 360/PS3 game is also the best selling PS4 game.
6 of the 10 best selling PS4 games are multiplatform
Multiplatforms are definitely popular among the gamers as sales show, especially big franchises like Assassin's creed, GTA, COD. Notice these are all long withstanding franchises that have been here with gamers since at least the 2000's.
Who said they aren't the best selling? Just saying you need to look at why they are the best selling.
Good.
So why do you think the best selling PS exclusives are outselling the best selling Xbox exclusives?
Because more people want them.
Yep.
Might be incorrect as the Xbox list doesn't have any Forza Horizon games in it and that's known to have sold better with each release even ignoring GP numbers. Same with Sea of Thieves.
So they probably have more than online tells us.
Both pale compared to Nintendo obviously.
No XB doesn't have numbers that would put them in the top 20 or they would be listed.
Both Nintendo and Sony do.
Both Nintendo and Sony do.
I'm not talking about US.
This is WW which is more important. I'm talking about the what the games have sold on each platform during the consoles life span.
6 of the all time best selling PS4 games are multiplatform games
For MS US is the most important.
I actually think MS has a big chance of reclaiming NA this gen and even with losing the WW battle that would be huge for XB as a brand if MS can reclaim NA.
Exclusives on ONE platform being in the top spots is HUGE!
Forza horizon was still pretty consistently in the top 20 last year in UK charts, must of sold a fair few copies by now, but seems like on NA matters around here.
Each Horizon game sold over 3M on Xbox One and yeah its probably MS biggest IP in the UK. It's also a system seller here so you can see why they acquired them and have them making the new Fable.
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