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See, this is what i was talking about earlier when you start counting your chickens before they've hatched . It tends to backfire and you're left having to explain yourself more often than you need to. Of course it seems inconsequential in the moment until that reality starts unfolding right before your eyes.

Now Sony has been sitting back tone silent making sure everything was absolutely ready to go. It's easier to let people assume what you don't have and introduce it later rather than speaking on it early and not being able to deliver.


Miles Morales and Ratchet and Clank will finally drive the nail in the coffin for Xbox :laugh:
 
This was very obvious, and it only solidifies what Sony had been saying all along about why they have chosen to concentrate their next gen titles exclusively to their next gen hardware rather than allowing the previous generation or just a weaker platform to hold it back. Of course though, Phil Spencer has to defend this because GamePass is the crucial puzzle piece that links all these platforms together. But at the expense of supporting a wide range of platforms, a unique or robust piece of hardware can lose its identity and purpose in that process.

That is true. But in Microsoft's case, the games won't be ready for a couple of years anyway. Pushing third party games,, Gamepass and Optimized current gen games is what they have to do.

I can see why that's not optimal and is actually kind of bizarre that they have no new IP's in a launch cycle. But it is what it is at this point. We all at one time bought a PS3 based on nothing but potential.
 
That is true. But in Microsoft's case, the games won't be ready for a couple of years anyway. Pushing third party games,, Gamepass and Optimized current gen games is what they have to do.

I can see why that's not optimal and is actually kind of bizarre that they have no new IP's in a launch cycle. But it is what it is at this point. We all at one time bought a PS3 based on nothing but potential.
But PS3 had a PROVEN Sony name backing it.
 
True. But its still buying on potential.

I think Microsoft is going to deliver. But its going to be awhile.
If I didn't need a new Xbox, I would probably wait a couple of years.
For the most part MS didn't even show up this gen and had all the momentum in the world after showing the XSX but has been shooting THEMSELVES in the foot ever since.

You think consumers don't see this?

With the above I see ZERO reason to believe they will deliver.

Lucky for them I am a multi-platform gamer who will give them business even though I could regret it.
 
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Miles Morales and Ratchet and Clank will finally drive the nail in the coffin for Xbox :laugh:

I think you're missing the point. It has more to do with consistency than anything. You can have all the developers in the world possessing the best hardware tech, but if don't have a solid plan when executing this into the hands of the consumer, you will always be behind the curve in everything you do. So in one corner, you are having to wait just to get something mediocre if at all while in the other, you get them at a record pace but at a much better quality. Consumers see this, and they will remember it. This is what builds a fan base, not hype. Hype will naturally come with the territory. You first have to get your product right.

So when people try to use the analogy of the PS2 launch to the Series X, they aren't considering the fact that that console came off the previous generation for delivering quality at a consistent rate and paving the road for gaming. So if they do fumble at any point, it can be overlooked. You can't continue to fumble throughout a race and expect the user to maintain interest in your product. In fact, they will start to question it, and it's not a good look for the long term as this can affect bargaining power along with everything else that follows.
 
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For the most part MS didn't even show up this gen and had all the momentum in the world after showing the XSX but has been shooting THEMSELVES in the foot ever since.

You think consumers don't see this?

With the above I see ZERO reason to believe they will deliver.

Lucky for them I am a multi-platform gamer who will give them business even though I could regret it.

Of course people see it. I said it was bizarre. Maybe I should have used a stronger word?

Microsoft keeps stepping on their own dicks. But they have the studios. They will produce something.

I can totally understand consumers turning away or going the PC route. I'm a console gamer like you. Even though l would gladly take one of your used PC's. Lol
 
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Of course people see it. I said it was bizarre. Maybe I should have used a stronger word?

Microsoft keeps stepping on their own disks. But they have the studios. They will produce something.

I can totally understand consumers turning away or going the PC route. I'm a console gamer like you. Even though l would gladly take one of your used PC's. Lol
i really see them just relying on 3rd party games and this won't be enough.
EDIT: I am not thinking new 1st party stuff will be worthwhile for a while.
This is a battle they don't have time. I can see them tapping out sooner than people think.
 
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i really see them just relying on 3rd party games and this won't be enough.
I am not thinking new 1st party stuff with be worthwhile for a while.
This is a battle they don't have time. I can see them tapping out sooner than people think.

Its possible. They are really struggling.

I dont know if they are profitable. I can't speak to that. But a games publisher is, oh I don't know, expected to create and publish games? Its just weird.

But here's hoping that they turn that corner sooner rather than later.
 
That is true. But in Microsoft's case, the games won't be ready for a couple of years anyway. Pushing third party games,, Gamepass and Optimized current gen games is what they have to do.

I can see why that's not optimal and is actually kind of bizarre that they have no new IP's in a launch cycle. But it is what it is at this point. We all at one time bought a PS3 based on nothing but potential.

But that potential was followed by two solid generations of quality content in addition to paving the gaming industry. This is what builds trust and confidence in your product. This is how the PS3 was able to thrive even at a significantly higher price point. Consumers trusted its future, and it paid off in the end.

It's much harder to do this when you're not living up to your promises or creating doubt in your future when you have to eat the very words you used to promote your product (current gen not holding back next-generation games) but then turn around and try to pave a road for everyone to follow you down. It creates an certain uncomfortability in your leadership and that dark tunnel to which everyone must trust and follow you down accordingly. Microsoft has to instill trust and not just bank on cost as a selling factor.
 
Yesterday IGN released an article stating that there are 3 billion people that play videogames, and I bet that only 10-15% of those own consoles, hence the different approach for MS:


While discussing an array of topics in the latest episode of Animal Talking, Phil Spencer, head of the Xbox brand, stated that if Microsoft wanted to be part of a traditional console war, all new games and content would be kept exclusive to Xbox Series X. Microsoft will instead be making sure that players have the choice to access new games and new content however they want. This will include releases for both Xbox Series X and Xbox One, PC, as well as through services like Project xCloud and Xbox Game Pass.

Spencer noted that Xbox Series X is not the only focus. Being able to deliver across multiple devices and create an Xbox experience around players is what Microsoft will be gunning for in the coming years.

‘How many consoles do I sell versus how many consoles does another company sell’ – Sony or Nintendo or other companies back in the day – we’re just not…that’s not our approach. And I’m not disparaging someone else’s approach, but when I talk to fans and customers, what I say is when you’re a member of Xbox, we want to build the experience around you.'”
 
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But that potential was followed by two solid generations of quality content in addition to paving the gaming industry. This is what builds trust and confidence in your product. This is how the PS3 was able to thrive even at a significantly higher price point. Consumers trusted its future, and it paid off in the end.

It's much harder to do this when you're not living up to your promises or creating doubt in your future when you have to eat the very words you used to promote your product (current gen not holding back next-generation games) but then turn around and try to pave a road for everyone to follow you down. It creates an certain uncomfortability in your leadership and that dark tunnel to which everyone must trust and follow you down accordingly. Microsoft has to instill trust and not just bank on cost as a selling factor.

Right, exactly. I dont think anyone is denying any of that.

I guess I'm not as spurned as most because I'm not in love with every single Sony franchise. So its not some huge gap for my personal tastes.
 
Its possible. They are really struggling.

I dont know if they are profitable. I can't speak to that. But a games publisher is, oh I don't know, expected to create and publish games? Its just weird.

But here's hoping that they turn that corner sooner rather than later.
How though? I believe the best they have coming they showed.
I do expect some behind the scenes moves being made that could excite people but these things likely won't come to fruition until down the road. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR THE FISCAL 2020/21 time frame MS?
 
How though? I believe the best they have coming they showed.
I do expect some behind the scenes moves being made that could excite people but these things likely won't come to fruition until down the road. WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR THE FISCAL 2020/21 time frame MS?

You don't expect things from Ninja Theory. Obsidian, the Coalition, The Initiative etc...?

I'm not talking about 2020, at all.
 
Yesterday IGN released an article stating that there are 3 billion people that play videogames, and I bet that only 10-15% of those own consoles, hence the different approach for MS:


While discussing an array of topics in the latest episode of Animal Talking, Phil Spencer, head of the Xbox brand, stated that if Microsoft wanted to be part of a traditional console war, all new games and content would be kept exclusive to Xbox Series X. Microsoft will instead be making sure that players have the choice to access new games and new content however they want. This will include releases for both Xbox Series X and Xbox One, PC, as well as through services like Project xCloud and Xbox Game Pass.

Spencer noted that Xbox Series X is not the only focus. Being able to deliver across multiple devices and create an Xbox experience around players is what Microsoft will be gunning for in the coming years.

‘How many consoles do I sell versus how many consoles does another company sell’ – Sony or Nintendo or other companies back in the day – we’re just not…that’s not our approach. And I’m not disparaging someone else’s approach, but when I talk to fans and customers, what I say is when you’re a member of Xbox, we want to build the experience around you.'”
Mobile games and FB games don't count as games.
The big headliners are console games followed by PC games.

None of the above works without games.

MS spins still spinning the console sales don't matter cause they can't get the console sales LOL.
 
You don't expect things from Ninja Theory. Obsidian, the Coalition, The Initiative etc...?

I'm not talking about 2020, at all.
Fiscal 2020/21 IS CRUCIAL for them with the JUGGERNAUT PS5 releasing unless they delay the launch and release when they have a solid launch lineup ready.

Going toe to toe with nothing will shorten it's lifespan.

It could get real ugly.. don't say I didn't call it.
 
Right, exactly. I dont think anyone is denying any of that.

I guess I'm not as spurned as most because I'm not in love with every single Sony franchise. So its not some huge gap for my personal tastes.
I like less than half of the PS franchises.
Even less for XB.
 



See, this is what i was talking about earlier when you start counting your chickens before they've hatched . It tends to backfire and you're left having to explain yourself more often than you need to. Of course it seems inconsequential in the moment until that reality starts unfolding right before your eyes.

Now Sony has been sitting back tone silent making sure everything was absolutely ready to go. It's easier to let people assume what you don't have and introduce it later rather than speaking on it early and not being able to deliver.


The guy makes valid points in his video but I believe that Jim Ryan twitter is fake, it's currently suspended.
 
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That is true. But in Microsoft's case, the games won't be ready for a couple of years anyway. Pushing third party games,, Gamepass and Optimized current gen games is what they have to do.

I can see why that's not optimal and is actually kind of bizarre that they have no new IP's in a launch cycle. But it is what it is at this point. We all at one time bought a PS3 based on nothing but potential.

100% true and yet they are trying to market that as MS being pro consumer and sadly some people are falling for it. They bought a bunch of smaller studios 2 years ago, no way they'd have all new projects ready to go for a next gen console that fast especially when several of them were working on projects that they still had to finish (contractually obligated to do so) and ship for other publishers before starting work on whatever MS exclusives they'll be doing.

It doesn't help that by the time the new console launches they'll have only had two AAA titles released since 2018, Forza Horizon and Gears, everything else has been smaller indie quality games.
 
Microsoft is doomed guys. It's over. Better hand over the reigns to Nintendo.
Can we seriously say it's not heading that way?

If Nintendo released a machine at least comparable to the PS5 and also a comparable online service...
It be my console of choice.
But Nintendo in it's current state is a non factor for what i want.
 

Check that out, no wonder Shawn Jelsic posted one of his videos. 😂 😂 😂
 
Savage 😂, I do still enjoy playing the best version of third party games on a whisper quiet console with the most comfortable controller. I agree they could of done with a AAA exclusive or two especially with Sony's big year they had, but these doom and gloom videos are ridiculous. I'll still be enjoying playing GP games with friends for years to come I'm sure.
 
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I think you're missing the point. It has more to do with consistency than anything. You can have all the developers in the world possessing the best hardware tech, but if don't have a solid plan when executing this into the hands of the consumer, you will always be behind the curve in everything you do. So in one corner, you are having to wait just to get something mediocre if at all while in the other, you get them at a record pace but at a much better quality. Consumers see this, and they will remember it. This is what builds a fan base, not hype. Hype will naturally come with the territory. You first have to get your product right.

So when people try to use the analogy of the PS2 launch to the Series X, they aren't considering the fact that that console came off the previous generation for delivering quality at a consistent rate and paving the road for gaming. So if they do fumble at any point, it can be overlooked. You can't continue to fumble throughout a race and expect the user to maintain interest in your product. In fact, they will start to question it, and it's not a good look for the long term as this can affect bargaining power along with everything else that follows.
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Check that out, no wonder Shawn Jelsic posted one of his videos. 😂 😂 😂

So the validity in what he saying is discredited by yourself because he's not satisfied with how the Xbox has been handled over the years as an Xbox fan? .....and that's your argument?

I thought he made a very strong point to what Jim Ryan said. But of course, we didn't need that to notice the many headlines saying exactly what some of us were already thinking and for awhile now. There is obviously a flaw in the consistency and the reliability in what is being said compared to what is being seen or delivered. Perhaps you may be ok with that, but its not a good plan for the long term or when you are coming off a rocky history.
 
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