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[Shawn Jelsic]

My prediction on PS5 is that it'll be $500 & $550.

Sony so far is unable to get the manufacturing cost for a PlayStation 5 below $450, Bloomberg reports, which may result in difficulty for the company.

A difference of a dollar here and a dollar there does indeed add up. Sony could theoretically decide it's worthwhile to sell the consoles at a loss and make up the cash elsewhere. Far more likely, though, is that whatever Sony has to pay in order to get a console manufactured, consumers will pay more than that to buy one. The current-generation PlayStation 4 reportedly cost $381 per unit to manufacture originally. At launch in 2013, units sold for about $20 more than that—a thin margin, to be sure, but a margin nonetheless. If Sony took a similar tactic this time around, the expected launch price for a PS5 would be around $470.

Report: Sony can’t build a PS5 for less than $450

Sony may be waiting for Microsoft to blink first before it names a price tag.

arstechnica.com

It won't go over $500, and that's the disc model. By Sony removing the disc drive, it gets them closer to the $400 mark. Whether the smaller SSD (825GB) affected this, it may likely fall closer to a break even mark or just in range for them to sell it at a small loss. In addition to this, maybe this is why Zero Dawn ended up on the PC when it did.

 

[hrudey]

My prediction on PS5 is that it'll be $500 & $550.

The price will have a 9.

 

[SpartanDawgX1]

$399 and $499 and Sony behind the scenes cleans house on whoever managed to designed the costlier console to build while overall being less capable.

 

[menace-uk-]

$399 and $499 and Sony behind the scenes cleans house on whoever managed to designed the costlier console to build while overall being less capable.

$500 yes. I 'm not sure Sony needs to incure extra losses on the digital version, though. I'm at a 50/50 point with $400/$450.

 

[Rollins]

I also heard from a reliable source that it would be $900 ......and that's just for the digital.

Take it with a grain of salt., though

So I used to live in Seattle 16 years ago, and a buddy of mine was working for a smaller game studio there. He has since bounced around a few studios, and now has a prominent position at one of the biggest studios there.

I don’t talk to him as much these days, but he slips me info from time to time. I would never risk his job so I’m very careful with how I present it.

Believe what you want, but amidst all the crazy rumors I post, there are sometimes bits of things I’ve been told directly.

 

[yankeessuck]

$399 and $499 and Sony behind the scenes cleans house on whoever managed to designed the costlier console to build while overall being less capable.

Who says its costlier to build though? We have to go buy estimates at this point but they don't back that up.

So I used to live in Seattle 16 years ago, and a buddy of mine was working for a smaller game studio there. He has since bounced around a few studios, and now has a prominent position at one of the biggest studios there.

I don’t talk to him as much these days, but he slips me info from time to time. I would never risk his job so I’m very careful with how I present it.

Believe what you want, but amidst all the crazy rumors I post, there are sometimes bits of things I’ve been told directly.

Pretty unlikely that random developers know the price

 

[eVo7]

what would be beneficial, asking for a friend?

In that case, absolutely nothing. Which was my point.

 

[Dno69]

My prediction on PS5 is that it'll be $500 & $550.

$500 & $450 imo

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

So I used to live in Seattle 16 years ago, and a buddy of mine was working for a smaller game studio there. He has since bounced around a few studios, and now has a prominent position at one of the biggest studios there.

I don’t talk to him as much these days, but he slips me info from time to time. I would never risk his job so I’m very careful with how I present it.

Believe what you want, but amidst all the crazy rumors I post, there are sometimes bits of things I’ve been told directly.

Yeah... I'm sure a lot of people have been told a lot of things by their buddies, though. So now we have a lot of buddies running around with buddy answers these days.

For the PS5 to exceed the $500 mark, it has to be as expensive or more expensive than the Series X to manufacture. Short answer.....it's not. Because it's not, that places it closer to the $400 mark than the $500 mark, and that's with the disc drive. So by Sony even selling the disc version at $500, they are selling the SKU at a profit, which is not the case with the Series X. By removing the drive, Sony will more than likely break even or sell at a small loss. So any money they make off the high end SKUs will simply go towards some of the money being lost on the low end SKUs in addition to other things such as purchasing games or accessories or even games sold on PC to mitigate that impact.

People guessing are doing just that.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

$500 yes. I 'm not sure Sony needs to incure extra losses on the digital version, though. I'm at a 50/50 point with $400/$450.

A $50 difference on a home console is not only something Sony has never done before between two launch units, but the difference in impact regarding the value will not be significant enough to sway the consumer from the discless model to the high end model. Unless one is vastly anemic to the other value wise, such as a packed-in headset, a game, and a larger storage solution, being that close, the value of the two will not be attractive enough to warrant the plunge. The value has to speak for a reason to upgrade other than a disc. This is why I don't see a $450 mark, and I'm sure Sony also saw this when they were building the thing.

Sony will likely take the hit and not add anything of that degree just to get the SKU priced to a point where it can easily be obtained and brought into a home while also being competitive at the same time.

 

[Siglind]

Weaker hardware, should cost slightly less than the Series X.

$449.99 for the disc version.

 

[Dno69]

Hey, if they want to sell me the Digital version for $399, I'm cool with that.

 

[Kerosene31]

I would guess $450 and $500. I don't know if you'd shave off more than $50 for a disk drive. The funny thing is I still need a disk drive, even though I've gone mostly digital. I still find disk games on sale from time to time. At $400 a digital PS5 would be hard not to buy though. Heck, I can probably just buy digital copies of anything I need and still save money. I doubt it is that low though.

It would be interesting to see if Sony could go $550 for the big console. They certainly have the brand loyalty, but would an extra $50 get people to take a harder look at the competition? I honestly don't know.

 

[TeKPhaN]

IF Sony wants a Mic drop moment...

$349 and $449.

 

[Swede]

IF Sony wants a Mic drop moment...

$349 and $449.

They couldn't afford that.
I'd definitely consider buying an all digital ps5 at $399 at release though, I haven't bought a physical game the last 5 years so it's great to have this option.

 

[Two Pennys Worth]

IF Sony wants a Mic drop moment...

$349 and $449.

If they could price the digital at $350 it’s game over. That would be insane value for what’s inside. I’m waiting for PSVR 2 before I buy but at that price it would be day one.
I’d buy day one regardless but got to buy my son a SX as well as my own. Kids eh?

 

[hrudey]

Yeah... I'm sure a lot of people have been told a lot of things by their buddies, though. So now we have a lot of buddies running around with buddy answers these days.

For the PS5 to exceed the $500 mark, it has to be as expensive or more expensive than the Series X to manufacture. Short answer.....it's not. Because it's not, that places it closer to the $400 mark than the $500 mark, and that's with the disc drive.

That assumes that the Sony is willing to take the exact same profit or loss as MS. If I had to go with numbers myself if agree with 499/399 as a wild guess, though 499/449 seems as likely since there's little chance that they will get the price gap to less than 100 on the xss. But maybe the consoles really do cost over 500 to make and MS is just willing to eat more of it because as you love to point out, they're just trying to get you into gamepass, while Sony actually is trying to make money on hardware too most of the time.

 

[Spiritech]

MS really going in on that 'All'.

 

[GordoSan]

MS really going in on that 'All'.

So "The Onion" of gaming?

“I don’t care what it comes with, I would never buy an Xbox. It’s s***ty and a total ripoff, and doesn’t even have the good games. No way. I love paying more money for less stuff,” said local gamer Tess Robbins. “It’s what real gamers do.”

Microsoft will also sell the PS5 as a standalone. They would not reveal the price, but they did confirm it would be less than whatever Sony ends up charging.

LMAO!

 

[Spiritech]

 

[karmakid]

Yeah... I'm sure a lot of people have been told a lot of things by their buddies, though. So now we have a lot of buddies running around with buddy answers these days.

For the PS5 to exceed the $500 mark, it has to be as expensive or more expensive than the Series X to manufacture. Short answer.....it's not. Because it's not, that places it closer to the $400 mark than the $500 mark, and that's with the disc drive. So by Sony even selling the disc version at $500, they are selling the SKU at a profit, which is not the case with the Series X. By removing the drive, Sony will more than likely break even or sell at a small loss. So any money they make off the high end SKUs will simply go towards some of the money being lost on the low end SKUs in addition to other things such as purchasing games or accessories or even games sold on PC to mitigate that impact.

People guessing are doing just that.

ya guessing prices there too buddy? Cos that’s all everyone is doing for the ps5 now, some may be doing educated guesswork when comparing parts that currently exists. Let’s take their custom SSD, when looking at others with (recently released SSDs like the Samsung 980 pro) equivalent speeds we find that the price exceeds that of a console. And if you want to exceed it then you’re talking in the thousands.

note, I could be wrong on the price, but there’s a list of their older stuff here https://www.samsung.com/us/business...tb-sky-blg-us-other-na-100219-112001-na-na-na

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

That assumes that the Sony is willing to take the exact same profit or loss as MS. If I had to go with numbers myself if agree with 499/399 as a wild guess, though 499/449 seems as likely since there's little chance that they will get the price gap to less than 100 on the xss. But maybe the consoles really do cost over 500 to make and MS is just willing to eat more of it because as you love to point out, they're just trying to get you into gamepass, while Sony actually is trying to make money on hardware too most of the time.

Well, for one, it's not uncommon for Sony to lose money on a system and risk getting it back on software. They did it with the PS2 and the PS3, with the PS3 being by far the highest by almost $300. With the PS3, Sony overestimated the market by leaving a pretty wide gap and a steep price between their console and Microsoft to a point where it almost cost them the generation and PlayStation in general. It was a hard lesson and one that has humbled them greatly. For them to take a small hit to get their console in homes is more likely than them not taking the hit and having a repeat.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

ya guessing prices there too buddy? Cos that’s all everyone is doing for the ps5 now, some may be doing educated guesswork when comparing parts that currently exists. Let’s take their custom SSD, when looking at others with (recently released SSDs like the Samsung 980 pro) equivalent speeds we find that the price exceeds that of a console. And if you want to exceed it then you’re talking in the thousands.

note, I could be wrong on the price, but there’s a list of their older stuff here https://www.samsung.com/us/business...tb-sky-blg-us-other-na-100219-112001-na-na-na

Unlike that SSD, these were already factored into the manufacturing cost. But if that were the case, the Series X would be a lot more expensive than a little over $500 to manufacture. THIS is where these estimated prices are coming from rather than someone simply pulling numbers out the air just because it fits their agenda.

 

[karmakid]

Unlike that SSD, these were already factored into the manufacturing cost. But if that were the case, the Series X would be a lot more expensive than a little over $500 to manufacture. THIS is where these estimated prices are coming from rather than someone simply pulling numbers out the air just because it fits their agenda.

perhaps, but one thing we do know is the price of a 4k Blu-ray player cost a manufacturer about 30 dollars, there’s rundowns online that I’m too lazy/busy to find atm. I doubt the price gap between the ps5 and ps5 digital will be greater than 50 dollars.

 

[Shawn Jelsic]

perhaps, but one thing we do know is the price of a 4k Blu-ray player cost a manufacturer about 30 dollars, there’s rundowns online that I’m too lazy/busy to find atm. I doubt the price gap between the ps5 and ps5 digital will be greater than 50 dollars.

Again, all of these things were added in. This is how we were able to predict the $300 Series S and possible (which is now confirmed) $500 Series X. Had Microsoft shot below these marks, that would have been the curve ball no one saw coming in the very same way if Sony shoots below the $500 mark on the disc SKU and below the $400 mark on the discless SKU. The likelihood is the $400 mark on the discless SKU since it yields a very small loss (or a break even) on every unit produced but one that can easily be made up in other areas. The disc SKU will likely sell at $500 at a complete profit as it is over the manufacturing cost to produce.

 

[karmakid]

Again, all of these things were added in. This is how we were able to predict the $300 Series S and possible (which is now confirmed) $500 Series X. Had Microsoft shot below these marks, that would have been the curve ball no one saw coming in the very same way if Sony shoots below the $500 mark on the disc SKU and below the $400 mark on the discless SKU. The likelihood is the $400 mark on the discless SKU since it yields a very small loss (or a break even) on every unit produced but one that can easily be made up in other areas. The disc SKU will likely sell at $500 at a complete profit as it is over the manufacturing cost to produce.

how could any of them sell at a profit, especially in the first year, when a lot of the tech in them is custom? The current gen only made that because it was ancient tech upon release. I think Sony has more custom hardware tech in their units, definitely with the ssd, when you compare the two. Sony is the only one giving numbers for production, with ten million made by March of next year.

 

[TeKPhaN]

Who says its costlier to build though? We have to go buy estimates at this point but they don't back that up.



Pretty unlikely that random developers know the price

The cooling and SSD are costly.

 

[karmakid]

Off and yet on topic, kinda sorta maybe not

 

[menace-uk-]

A $50 difference on a home console is not only something Sony has never done before between two launch units, but the difference in impact regarding the value will not be significant enough to sway the consumer from the discless model to the high end model. Unless one is vastly anemic to the other value wise, such as a packed-in headset, a game, and a larger storage solution, being that close, the value of the two will not be attractive enough to warrant the plunge. The value has to speak for a reason to upgrade other than a disc. This is why I don't see a $450 mark, and I'm sure Sony also saw this when they were building the thing.

Sony will likely take the hit and not add anything of that degree just to get the SKU priced to a point where it can easily be obtained and brought into a home while also being competitive at the same time.

And cheaper digital version wouldN't help at all. There is literally 0 reason for anybody to get a disc PS5 other than than the included disc drive.

Being competitive isn't always about cost. Brand names sell regardless. Sony has that.

 

[TeKPhaN]

And cheaper digital version wouldN't help at all. There is literally 0 reason for anybody to get a disc PS5 other than than the included disc drive.

Being competitive isn't always about cost. Brand names sell regardless. Sony has that.

Wanting a disk drive is a HUGE reason to want that model.
They can keep that all digital crap and it's bad enough that we are forced to play this way on the PC.