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How Oodle Kraken and Oodle Texture supercharge the IO system of the Sony PS5



The Sony PS5 will have the fastest data loading ever available in a mass market consumer device, and we think it may be even better than you have previously heard. What makes that possible is a fast SSD, an excellent IO stack that is fully independent of the CPU, and the Kraken hardware decoder. Kraken compression acts as a multiplier for the IO speed and disk capacity, storing more games and loading faster in proportion to the compression ratio.
Sony has previously published that the SSD is capable of 5.5 GB/s and expected decompressed bandwidth around 8-9 GB/s, based on measurements of average compression ratios of games around 1.5 to 1. While Kraken is an excellent generic compressor, it struggled to find usable patterns on a crucial type of content : GPU textures, which make up a large fraction of game content. Since then we've made huge progress on improving the compression ratio of GPU textures, with Oodle Texture which encodes them such that subsequent Kraken compression can find patterns it can exploit. The result is that we expect the average compression ratio of games to be much better in the future, closer to 2 to 1.

 
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No. It's a clear difference.



You mean fake outrage? 😂🤣😂


"Journalism". If its a viewpoint we dislike, let's call it a conspiracy theory or "pushing a narrative", "claim without evidences"
 
Most of those things are minor, and hardly anti-consumer, except for the XBL paywall. But is PS Plus free?

Neither myself nor anyone else here said the X launch will be perfect, and I agree with most of those things.

But that’s not the point of the article. Sony has made very little effort to be pro-consumer. Pay for upgrades, pay more for some games, and they have nothing like game pass, which like it or not, is a fantastic value.

Honest q, as a Sony fan, wouldn’t you like them to be doing just a bit more for you? They’re basically saying ‘we’re not changing because we know you’ll still pay.’

It’s just more obvious now, because MS has made so many pro-consumer moves. It looks bad in comparison.

So if you disagree, just debate each point in the article (with facts of course).

- You can play free games on PSN without PS+.

- You can upgrade all of Sony cross gen titles for FREE.

- PS collection is a great deal

- You can play over a 1000 games on PS Now for 60 a year

- The industry is moving toward 70.00 not just Sony

- Xbox is lacking in the game department which is why "value" and "potential" are a selling point.

- Remasters cost money/time/effort. Demanding it free is entitlement.
 
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- You can play free games on PSN without PS+.

- You can upgrade all of Sony cross gen titles for FREE.

- PS collection is a great deal

- You can play over a 1000 games on PS Now for 60 a year

- The industry is moving toward 70.00 not just Sony

- Xbox is lacking in the game department which is why "value" and "potential" are a selling point.

- Remasters cost money/time/effort. Demanding it free is entitlement.
Only PS5 charges $70 so far (even more absurd $93 in Europe). We can cross the bridge If others start charging $70.
 
- Remasters cost money/time/effort. Demanding it free is entitlement.
LOL! So having free Xbox One X quality upgrades of MANY games in resolution, framerate, filtering, and texture quality hasn't actually been a thing for the past 3 years? I didn't have to demand this but Microsoft delivered this anyway. There have been multiple examples of this on not just BC, but already released, standard Xbox One titles... Now they're doing it again on Series X... yes, for free. You misunderstand the economics, and how they can still make money off of selling any generation of games on a single system, and that newer, shinier version still holds its value to newcomers. They just aren't double-dipping for it, if you've already bought it (either digital or disc). I can still go buy a 360 game that I've never owned right now, right from the Xbox Marketplace. It will still be the exact same game, with the same exact gameplay, but it will look better than it ever has! Besides resolution framerate, etc, they are continuing to add features like AI based HDR to older titles too.

I'm sorry, but trying to turn added value into a negative is a fools game. What Microsoft has been doing with BC upgrades is one of the best things that has ever happened to gaming, and I've been console gaming since the Atari 2600. To excuse Sony for not adopting this going forward, after they saw how Microsoft has been handling upgrades for the last few years is just as bad, IMO. They look BAD... PERIOD.
 
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LOL! So having free Xbox One X quality upgrades of MANY games in resolution, framerate, filtering, and texture quality hasn't actually been a thing for the past 3 years? I didn't have to demand this but Microsoft delivered this anyway. There have been multiple examples of this on not just BC, but already released, standard Xbox One titles... Now they're doing it again on Series X... yes, for free. You misunderstand the economics, and how they can still make money off of selling any generation of games on a single system, and that newer, shinier version still holds its value to newcomers. They just aren't double-dipping for it, if you've already bought it (either digital or disc). I can still go buy a 360 game that I've never owned right now, right from the Xbox Marketplace. It will still be the exact same game, with the same exact gameplay, but it will look better than it ever has! Besides resolution framerate, etc, they are continuing to add features like AI based HDR to older titles too.

I'm sorry, but trying to turn added value into a negative is a fools game. What Microsoft has been doing with BC upgrades is one of the best things that has ever happened to gaming, and I've been console gaming since the Atari 2600. To excuse Sony for not adopting this going forward, after they saw how Microsoft has been handling upgrades for the last few years is just as bad, IMO. They look BAD... PERIOD.

Yeah. It isn't like it is just MS either. The industry has created an expectation we didn't have at the start of this gen. I mean s***, CDPR are doing a second free upgrade for Witcher 3.
 
Yeah. It isn't like it is just MS either. The industry has created an expectation we didn't have at the start of this gen. I mean s***, CDPR are doing a second free upgrade for Witcher 3.
This whole concept of timeless upgrades might be the single category with the most progress we've seen in this past generation, IMO. You're right though, it wasn't just Microsoft, but they took this concept and ran with it, and ignited the spark. There are multiple levels of this, and when developers themselves are getting involved, it goes to another level.

Witcher 3 is another perfect example of how I was saying that there's still a revenue stream, even if they're giving away the upgrade. The assets are already there! They just have to recompile them, and add features and assets. If you missed a game last gen, now you can buy the next gen version without the publisher completely republishing the title, just tweaking the distribution. Yes, there is some cost in having a team to upgrade the graphics, but there is definitely an offset in not publishing another whole game. As a gamer, if you still have it, its value is retained! They could even still sell it for a higher price than a non-upgraded game. It's literally good for everyone, IMO.
 
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This whole concept of timeless upgrades might be the single category with the most progress we've seen in this past generation, IMO. You're right though, it wasn't just Microsoft, but they took this concept and ran with it, and ignited the spark. There are multiple levels of this, and when developers themselves are getting involved, it goes to another level.

Witcher 3 is another perfect example of how I was saying that there's still a revenue stream, even if they're giving away the upgrade. The assets are already there! They just have to recompile them, and add features and assets. If you missed a game last gen, now you can buy the next gen version without the publisher completely republishing the title, just tweaking the distribution. Yes, there is some cost in having a team to upgrade the graphics, but there is definitely an offset in not publishing another whole game. As a gamer, if you still have it, it's value is retained! They could even still sell it for a higher price than a non-upgraded game. It's literally good for everyone, IMO.
Yeah. I didn't bother with Witcher 3 on the X1X upgrade, but when I do get an XSS I will play it again and buy the DLC.
 
Yeah. I didn't bother with Witcher 3 on the X1X upgrade, but when I do get an XSS I will play it again and buy the DLC.
Interesting... LOL, I even forgot to mention that this free upgrade path is another avenue for people to gain access to DLC in a desirable way!

I own Spider-Man on PS4, and I know this is a vs thread, but I still don't want to just sh!t on Sony here for the sake of it... but I think that Sony could have taken this same path. I'll leave it at that. Good games are good games, but they should rethink the way they reach the consumer.
 
Eh. I still don't get the hype for that game. It's looks like a pretty middle of the road game to me. Only reason it had any hype, imo, is because it was thought to be a Sony Exclusive.

It was the controller. The game utilized it pretty well.
 
Interesting... LOL, I even forgot to mention that this free upgrade path is another avenue for people to gain access to DLC in a desirable way!

I own Spider-Man on PS4, and I know this is a vs thread, but I still don't want to just sh!t on Sony here for the sake of it... but I think that Sony could have taken this same path. I'll leave it at that. Good games are good games, but they should rethink the way they reach the consumer.
It is fairly typical for the Japanese to not move with the times in gaming. This is just another example of it.
 
No apparently it’s not. 2 days ago:

Demon's Souls PS5 Remaster Preorder Details: Price And Where To Buy


You crack me up
Ouch! As awesome as it looks that $70 price is a bit hard to swallow.
 

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A Narrative Of Sony And PS5 As ‘Anti-Consumer’ Is Starting To Take Shape

It goes without saying that Sony is in a strong position heading into this next console generation. They outsold the Xbox 2:1 last generation and some analysts predict they’ll do the same this time around with the PS5 versus the various Xbox Series models. Everyone expects Sony will continue to have rock solid first party releases this coming generation and yet…something seems to have shifted the past few weeks.

All Microsoft’s efforts to paint themselves as “pro-consumer” are starting to bear fruit, while Sony, staying with the industry standards or even moving in the opposite direction, is starting to feel a little “anti-consumer” to some potential players in contrast.

What am I talking about? A number of issues.

The thing that set this off most recently was Sony and Insomniac detailing the upcoming release of Spider-Man: Miles Morales which can be bundled with a PS5 remaster of the original Spider-Man. But unlike Xbox and its Smart Delivery upgrades, free upgrades of last gen games to next gen, that is not the case with Spider-Man, which does not have a free or even cheap upgrade path for PS5 as part of this bundle. Try and parse this out:


Xbox has seen how wacky this situation is, and has taken to memeing to dunk on Sony for all this confusion:


That’s…pretty funny, and has echoes of the famous “here’s how you share used games on PlayStation” video that Sony made in 2013 to embarrass Xbox and its confusing disc rights policies.

It isn’t just this though. These issues just keep adding up:
PlayStation fans who were “proud” that Sony was concentrating on actual generations by making games specifically for PS5 are now annoyed after Sony revealed that both Miles Morales and Horizon Forbidden West are also coming to PS4.

Sony stated that some of their first party games in the future would be priced as high as $70. This is in contrast to Microsoft offering all its first party games (and soon enough, all its Bethesda games) as part of a Game Pass subscription.

Sony shows little interest in adding its new first party games to its own version of Game Pass (technically PS Now at the moment), saying they’re too expensive to make to justify that. Meanwhile, Xbox Game Pass subscriptions have increased 50% over the summer, and Microsoft continues offering all its new games on it in addition to releasing its games on PC at the same time, something Sony has not done until years later for some titles, if at all.

There are few clear upgrade paths for recent Sony hits. Sony is giving away a bunch of high profile PS4 games as part of PS Plus when PS5 launches, and yet “next gen” versions of games like The Last of Us Part 2 and Ghost of Tsushima have not been announced. And when they are announced, given what’s happened with Spider-Man, they’re not expected to be free or cheap upgrades, but probably entirely new paid releases in some form. Again, the opposite of Xbox’s Smart Delivery.

This is Sony’s current problem. It’s not that the PS5 isn’t attractive in terms of features and price, or that Sony’s games aren’t going to continue to be good. But at a certain point, all of Microsoft’s programs and features and subscriptions full of brand new games are going to add up and equal an overall “next gen experience” that Sony is currently not building, and seems to have no interest in building. Xbox is providing tremendous value for players to stay in its ecosystem, while it’s starting to feel like Sony is banking on the loyalty of its fans to put up with things like paying twice for remasters or $70 for brand new games. Maybe that gamble will work, but I can feel many players starting to get frustrated, given the clear alternatives Xbox is offering which Sony is not even attempting to match.

At most, the article was more entertaining and humorous to a point where I can't even take it serious. To give you an idea, SackBoy is $60. To go down the line breaking this thing down is painful. There is so much misinformation that only comes off as a meaningless rant at the end of the day.
 
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Most of those things are minor, and hardly anti-consumer, except for the XBL paywall. But is PS Plus free?

Neither myself nor anyone else here said the X launch will be perfect, and I agree with most of those things.

But that’s not the point of the article. Sony has made very little effort to be pro-consumer. Pay for upgrades, pay more for some games, and they have nothing like game pass, which like it or not, is a fantastic value.

Honest q, as a Sony fan, wouldn’t you like them to be doing just a bit more for you? They’re basically saying ‘we’re not changing because we know you’ll still pay.’

It’s just more obvious now, because MS has made so many pro-consumer moves. It looks bad in comparison.

So if you disagree, just debate each point in the article (with facts of course).

If you seriously think the points mentioned in the rant are going to slow Sony's sales down, you obviously haven't been gaming long enough. Unlike people on a message board, the wider consumer base share a different outlook on what comes to a platform, and it has to be much bigger than this. The Xbox don't even have a Spider-Man to compete. So who the heck is going to care? All consumers see is content and experiences. The last time i checked, Sony had a lot of that and appears to have a lot more going into the next-generation. So a small hiccup here and there is not going to affect the greater part of that.
 
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The last time i checked, Sony had a lot of that and appears to have a lot more going into the next-generation.


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Only PS5 charges $70 so far (even more absurd $93 in Europe). We can cross the bridge If others start charging $70.
Oh really?...

It’ll cost you $69.99 to grab a Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War cross-gen bundle, meaning that you’ll be able to play the game on the PlayStation 5 and the PlayStation 4. But the reason for that increase is because Activision is charging $69.99 for standard next-gen copies of the game, exactly the same as NBA 2K21 confirmed earlier in the year.


I must have been dreaming all of that then. 👍

So while all the nitpickers are complaining, the rest of the industry is going to follow. I wonder what the excuse will be after that.
 
LOL! So having free Xbox One X quality upgrades of MANY games in resolution, framerate, filtering, and texture quality hasn't actually been a thing for the past 3 years? I didn't have to demand this but Microsoft delivered this anyway. There have been multiple examples of this on not just BC, but already released, standard Xbox One titles... Now they're doing it again on Series X... yes, for free. You misunderstand the economics, and how they can still make money off of selling any generation of games on a single system, and that newer, shinier version still holds its value to newcomers. They just aren't double-dipping for it, if you've already bought it (either digital or disc). I can still go buy a 360 game that I've never owned right now, right from the Xbox Marketplace. It will still be the exact same game, with the same exact gameplay, but it will look better than it ever has! Besides resolution framerate, etc, they are continuing to add features like AI based HDR to older titles too.

I'm sorry, but trying to turn added value into a negative is a fools game. What Microsoft has been doing with BC upgrades is one of the best things that has ever happened to gaming, and I've been console gaming since the Atari 2600. To excuse Sony for not adopting this going forward, after they saw how Microsoft has been handling upgrades for the last few years is just as bad, IMO. They look BAD... PERIOD.

Microsoft didn't have any games, so they didn't have a choice but to boster about some old games being upgraded. And the fact that it doesn't even support the entire catelog is very telling. Just by itself, Sony's one console supports more backwards titles than Microsoft’s entire back catelog put together from all their systems. So if you are calling that added value, then what is this? Shouldn't Microsoft be copying THIS....or does that not matter anymore?
 
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Microsoft didn't have any games, so they didn't have a choice but to boster about some old games being upgraded. And the fact that it doesn't even support the entire catelog is very telling. Just by itself, Sony's one console supports more backwards titles than Microsoft’s entire back catelog put together from all their systems. So if you are calling that added value, then what is this? Shouldn't Microsoft be copying this....or does that not matter anymore?

i thought the ps5 was only supporting the top 100 games at launch?

 
i thought the ps5 was only supporting the top 100 games at launch?


The new console is “99 percent” backward compatible with the PS4 games the company has tested on it so far, Sony PlayStation boss Jim Ryan said in an interview with The Washington Post. In March, Sony said it believed the “overwhelming majority” of PS4 games would be backward compatible with the PS5, so hearing that “99 percent” should work on the new console is assuring, if unspecific.

 
Microsoft didn't have any games, so they didn't have a choice but to boster about some old games being upgraded. And the fact that it doesn't even support the entire catelog is very telling. Just by itself, Sony's one console supports more backwards titles than Microsoft’s entire back catelog put together from all their systems. So if you are calling that added value, then what is this? Shouldn't Microsoft be copying THIS....or does that not matter anymore?
I love how you never respond to any of my posts :laugh:
 
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But I was told the media never reports negative Sony stories

Forbes is the only site calling them out on it. (Tassi is a PS guy by the way, he's a big Destiny player and he plays on PS). I had to goggle to find an IGN article on it and it was a brief mention of how it works with zero commentary on it. Where's the angry Kotaku rant? There won't be one.

Remember when trading games with friends was the big deal last gen? Now a digital console is the best thing ever.

It is hilarious hypocrisy. Even people here who I would consider to be well informed don't seem to get how smart delivery works. When the basic facts aren't getting out there, there's a major problem. They can all put their spin on the facts, but to ignore them completely? That's a joke.

I'm off to read about how Doom Eternal only got announced on Game Pass just days after the buyout announcement, obviously some massive conspiracy (until you read the fine print at the bottom saying how Bethesda games were already all over Game Pass).
 
Forbes is the only site calling them out on it. (Tassi is a PS guy by the way, he's a big Destiny player and he plays on PS). I had to goggle to find an IGN article on it and it was a brief mention of how it works with zero commentary on it. Where's the angry Kotaku rant? There won't be one.

Remember when trading games with friends was the big deal last gen? Now a digital console is the best thing ever.

It is hilarious hypocrisy. Even people here who I would consider to be well informed don't seem to get how smart delivery works. When the basic facts aren't getting out there, there's a major problem. They can all put their spin on the facts, but to ignore them completely? That's a joke.

I'm off to read about how Doom Eternal only got announced on Game Pass just days after the buyout announcement, obviously some massive conspiracy (until you read the fine print at the bottom saying how Bethesda games were already all over Game Pass).

They are not the only ones but at this point its all confirmation bias. When IGN does something like say XsS is faster than PS5 you have nothing to say.

Where is all the criticism towards Microsoft buying Bethesda? I don't think there should be but why isn't there since they could? I mean they spent so much time talking about a exclusive DLC character and how bad that was right? Media biased against Sony=confirmed.
 
I don't get the no battery pack comment. I prefer to use rechargeable AA batteries anyway, as many people do. Including a battery pack would be a waste for many.

Yep, simple AA batteries are way easier and cheaper than any other solution. I buy a 4 pack of eneloops and haven't thought about batteries in 2+ generations. 2 in the controller, 2 in the charger ready to go.

It actually slightly annoyed me that the new elite controller went to an internal battery. Once that goes, that's it.
 
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Yep, simple AA batteries are way easier and cheaper than any other solution. I buy a 4 pack of eneloops and haven't thought about batteries in 2+ generations. 2 in the controller, 2 in the charger ready to go.

It actually slightly annoyed me that the new elite controller went to an internal battery. Once that goes, that's it.
Yeah. Internals are stupid.

I use the plug n play.
 
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