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Most (vast majority) are being won by Xbox actually. Though I think 3 recently by PS. Xbox just took DMC5 and 2K21, and now has the multiplayer advantage in COD Cold War, and has native 4k in Observer. 12 vs 9.

PS5 has performance advantages in Valhalla, Cold War, DMC5 in high fps mode, Observer.

The only one Xbox has advantage in is DMC5 in normal modes.

As for NBA 2K21 ... seems Sony offers the better version too.

 
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It says the only advantage is the dual sense nothing about graphic capabilities.
 
In my opinion the first real test of PS5/XSX strengths in a direct comparison to each other will be CyberPunk 2077.

The game features all the latest graphics tech and was also delayed numerous times for optimizations.

I have no doubt CDPR will push these systems and showcase their relative weakness/strengths that each has.

It's going to be a backwards compatible game not a game that's really optimized for the new consoles so I don't think I'd be looking to that game for anything until the true next gen patches come sometime next year. Honestly the screens I've seen of Cyberpunk gameplay from the One X aren't all that impressive, at least not the character models, they look like plastic and I'm not talking about the artificial parts of their bodies lol. I only pointed out xbox by the way because that's all I've seen so far I haven't seen any PS4/PS5 pics although I'm sure they'll have the same issue.
 
If graphics are equal then you look for other features that stand out and make a difference.

Yea true they were just talking about graphical comparisons though. In that case dual sense makes it the better version.
 
I don't know about you guys but I am more than happy to give up extra storage space for these load times, even the "long" ones are still so much faster than last gen. AC is so much more enjoyable when you only have to wait a few seconds for fast travel or to come back after you die.
 
Has it been confirmed if the devs are using multi threading on SX CPU or going with just the 8 cores? I remember Phil Spencer saying devs will probably opt to go with just the 8 cores on cross gen games at first.
 
Has it been confirmed if the devs are using multi threading on SX CPU or going with just the 8 cores? I remember Phil Spencer saying devs will probably opt to go with just the 8 cores on cross gen games at first.
Both CPU's (PS5/XSX) have SMT, if they are using it for one they are using it for the other and vice versa. It sounds like the heavy screen tearing on the XSX version of AC is the GPU not lowering the resolution enough according to a couple of the DF guys, they think that needs to be adjusted by the devs to fix it. It tears a little bit on the PS5 as well but that's mostly during cut scenes, can't say I've seen it more than once or twice during gameplay.
 
Both CPU's (PS5/XSX) have SMT, if they are using it for one they are using it for the other and vice versa. It sounds like the heavy screen tearing on the XSX version of AC is the GPU not lowering the resolution enough according to a couple of the DF guys, they think that needs to be adjusted by the devs to fix it. It tears a little bit on the PS5 as well but that's mostly during cut scenes, can't say I've seen it more than once or twice during gameplay.

MS said they’ve left the option open to devs as they’d likely opt to not use the multi thread at first for cross gen games. Maybe you’re right, I’m just asking if there’s been any word either way. MS was of opinion that devs will likely use just the 8 cores though at first so I’d like to know if that’s the case.
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Obviously devs have to use multi threading on the PS5 and MS knew that so why would they allow that option if they thought devs would just use multi threading because PS5 uses it. There’s a good chance that with these early cross gen games devs are optimising for One X and porting that straight over to Series X and just letting the SX brute force the res and frame rate, pretty much like they’re already doing on the back compact games which is basically just 8 cores and 12 tf GCN. It would make sense for devs to do that whilst working on so many devices.
That way the next gen games are pretty much even and they’d likely get fewer death threats from certain fanboys.
We know that MS’s tools aren’t quite there yet and with the superior power of the SX the devs could easily opt for that route meaning SX is probably operating as a 12tf GCN with 8 cores just like MS are already doing now on there own games. That would make a lot of sense on why we’re seeing a weaker console sometimes outperforming an undisputedly more powerful console.
 
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PS5 has performance advantages in Valhalla, Cold War, DMC5 in high fps mode, Observer.

The only one Xbox has advantage in is DMC5 in normal modes.

As for NBA 2K21 ... seems Sony offers the better version too.

Not from what I read about 2K21. But yeah Xbox is still wayyy ahead. Did you all of a sudden forget all the games DF looked at before the couple you mentioned?
 
MS said they’ve left the option open to devs as they’d likely opt to not use the multi thread at first for cross gen games. Maybe you’re right, I’m just asking if there’s been any word either way. MS was of opinion that devs will likely use just the 8 cores though at first so I’d like to know if that’s the case.
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Obviously devs have to use multi threading on the PS5 and MS knew that so why would they allow that option if they thought devs would just use multi threading because PS5 uses it. There’s a good chance that with these early cross gen games devs are optimising for One X and porting that straight over to Series X and just letting the SX brute force the res and frame rate, pretty much like they’re already doing on the back compact games which is basically just 8 cores and 12 tf GCN. It would make sense for devs to do that whilst working on so many devices.
That way the next gen games are pretty much even and they’d likely get fewer death threats from certain fanboys.
We know that MS’s tools aren’t quite there yet and with the superior power of the SX the devs could easily opt for that route meaning SX is probably operating as a 12tf GCN with 8 cores just like MS are already doing now on there own games. That would make a lot of sense on why we’re seeing a weaker console sometimes outperforming an undisputedly more powerful console.
Devs aren't going to bother multithreading the PS5 games and not the Series X, the CPU's are very similar and the CPU on the series X is actually running at a faster clock. Sony isn't mandating devs use SMT, don't know why you would think they'd do it on PS5 and not XSX.
 
Devs aren't going to bother multithreading the PS5 games and not the Series X, the CPU's are very similar and the CPU on the series X is actually running at a faster clock. Sony isn't mandating devs use SMT, don't know why you would think they'd do it on PS5 and not XSX.

It’s MS that assume that they’ll do that, that’s what they’ve stated from the reveal of the SX. Devs would do it because it’s easier for them to port straight across from One X and use SX brute force with similar results to PS5. It’s what MS are currently doing on back compat games and because there tools are a bit behind which is obvious from some games not even supporting RT on SX, even though it has superior RT hardware to the PS5. If MS themselves are still only using brute force 12 tf GCN there’s no reason why 3rd party devs would do otherwise, especially if the toolset is not quite ready. I’m in no way stating this as fact, just a supposition but it does make sense and lines up with what MS said they expected devs to do early on. If you’ve got evidence to the contrary I’d love to see it. I’m only going off what MS said what they expect would happen early on.
Like you said about devs going to the "bother” of multi threading, why go to the "bother” on SX when they can get pretty much the same results on the more powerful SX with less effort on a console with a very small user base?
 
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Not from what I read about 2K21. But yeah Xbox is still wayyy ahead. Did you all of a sudden forget all the games DF looked at before the couple you mentioned?

Let me read your source link for 2k21.

What are those games mentioned by DF? If you're talking about BC games then yes Xbox has advantage there. For newer games that are actually using next gen capabilities , PS5 has the edge so far. Still waiting to see how Legions is.
 
I don't know about you guys but I am more than happy to give up extra storage space for these load times, even the "long" ones are still so much faster than last gen. AC is so much more enjoyable when you only have to wait a few seconds for fast travel or to come back after you die.

It is a huge deal for sure. Normally I'd want to pop into a game like AC Odyssey on my lunch break from work. Well, in order to do that, I'd fire up the game around 11:50 and get past all the initial loading screens. Then, I'd check back a few minutes later and load my save.

Now? Fire up the console and be into AC:V in less than a minute easily.

Also if I want to go from AC to Forza Horizon? No problem. With the old systems, the loading times would discourage me from even trying that.
 
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I don't know about you guys but I am more than happy to give up extra storage space for these load times, even the "long" ones are still so much faster than last gen. AC is so much more enjoyable when you only have to wait a few seconds for fast travel or to come back after you die.
After you fail the drinking challenges you mean. :yleak:
 
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Let me read your source link for 2k21.

What are those games mentioned by DF? If you're talking about BC games then yes Xbox has advantage there. For newer games that are actually using next gen capabilities , PS5 has the edge so far. Still waiting to see how Legions is.
I don't have links to everything at the moment, but you can google, just like you did for the rest of your claims. Not just BC games but also newer games like 2K21, DMC5, and of course first party. But fact remains, Xbox is winning the VAST majority of face offs on the new consoles.
 
I don't know about you guys but I am more than happy to give up extra storage space for these load times, even the "long" ones are still so much faster than last gen. AC is so much more enjoyable when you only have to wait a few seconds for fast travel or to come back after you die.

So far the games I have installed are only about 35-40gb each, I thought they would be larger like last gen. This is good!
 
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I don't have links to everything at the moment, but you can google, just like you did for the rest of your claims. Not just BC games but also newer games like 2K21, DMC5, and of course first party. But fact remains, Xbox is winning the VAST majority of face offs on the new consoles.

There is only one next gen faceoff from DF and that is DMC5, where PS5 has advantage in high fps mode and Xbox has advantage in normal mode. So not sure where you are getting the rest of your face offs from.
 
There is only one next gen faceoff from DF and that is DMC5, where PS5 has advantage in high fps mode and Xbox has advantage in normal mode. So not sure where you are getting the rest of your face offs from.
DF has DMC5 Xbox winning on 3 of their 4 comparison. I am getting mine from DF, for all games...not just games released this week.


Xbox seems to have a consistent - if very small - advantage in three of the four modes, while its inconsistency in the high frame-rate mode is puzzling to say the least. - Digital Foundry

And with 2K21, XSX took the win here including loading times:


 
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DF has DMC5 Xbox winning on 3 of their 4 comparison. I am getting mine from DF, for all games...not just games released this week.


Xbox seems to have a consistent - if very small - advantage in three of the four modes, while its inconsistency in the high frame-rate mode is puzzling to say the least. - Digital Foundry

And with 2K21, XSX took the win here including loading times:




Yeah I know. You said you are getting faceoffs from DF for all games but the only next gen face off they have is DMC5?

That NBA2K21 comparison shows 0.3 and 1 second loading time advantage for the XSX side, I'll give you that. Graphically, no differences other than colour grading. I showed you another article already that gives the edge to PS5 due to controller advantage saying there is improved haptic feedback compared to last gen. Hardly a win.

So all you got is DMC5 for Xbox . Like I said, other than BC last gen games where are all these other "vast majority" titles coming from especially considering there are not a massive amount of new games out since next gen consoles launch.
 
Holy crap, who cares. The comparisons are all over the place. They are essentially neck and neck. Whether that persists beyond early and cross-gen games remains to be seen.

DMC was not built for new architectures. The RT on that game is pretty low level RT and I'm sure both machines will destroy that when they come into their own.

The Screen tear on Valhalla is baffling and just points to UBi being UBi. Hell, even Watchdogs wasn't built for these new machines.

Too much much claiming victory when it's simply too early. Next wave will give us a better idea, methinks. For now, I'm just digging the new consoles.
 
Holy crap, who cares. The comparisons are all over the place. They are essentially neck and neck. Whether that persists beyond early and cross-gen games remains to be seen.

DMC was not built for new architectures. The RT on that game is pretty low level RT and I'm sure both machines will destroy that when they come into their own.

The Screen tear on Valhalla is baffling and just points to UBi being UBi. Hell, even Watchdogs wasn't built for these new machines.

Too much much claiming victory when it's simply too early. Next wave will give us a better idea, methinks. For now, I'm just digging the new consoles.

Being so close is actually the surprising part for me. Thought it would be like the PS4 and Xbox One launch time where the PS4 with more tflops was ahead in terms of resolution and performance like black flag, new cod at that time. New titles are virtually at the same resolutions and in most of these new games cases, PS5 comes out slightly ahead in performance. Pretty interesting considering how Xbox was always thought to have the advantage coming into launch. We will see how it goes as more titles come out in the rest of the launch year.

So far, the only title I've played that gives me a next gen feel is Demon's Souls Remake. That game is just a tier above anything else graphically speaking. I haven't played Miles yet so will judge that later. Not surprising though as they are exclusives and probably take more advantage of the new hardware.
 
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