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What looks like RDNA1 is really RDNA2? Interesting. My guess is what looks like RDNA1 is likely RDNA1.

From your logic, the XSX is RDNA 1-1.5 as well then.

For the record, I believe both are custom RDNA 2 based. People are falling for marketing once again like always.



 
More evidence PS5 is RDNA 2 based. You guys think Sony, Cerny and AMD are lying? But keep spreading the FUD, you guys are loving it I can see :laugh:

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I feel like we're falling back on the fake tech experts or articles with click bait headlines taking developer interviews out of context to go right back to where we were before. I'll stick with the feedback of an experienced developer working with UE on both pieces of hardware for now. The marketing talk of RDNA 1 vs 2 vs 3 means nothing. Series has more capable hardware accelerated features.

ML upscaling is the most boring.

Everything from ML AI to ML quests in RPGs are far more interesting and game impacting.

In regards to ML quests. I wonder if this could be expanded into a full 6 to 8 story. Couple that with something like procedural levels/worlds and you have a game you could theoretically play forever. Instead of new game+ being the same, it would be a whole new story in a whole new world, with a bunch of new abilities, weapons, armour,etc. To aquire , master, craft, level up.

Yeah the AI possibilities are the most interesting next gen thing right now. We haven't had innovations in physics or AI for well over a decade.
 


I remember when Kitty leaked this and got some heat by Xbox fans.

I believe this is the real analysis by someone who knows their tech. Not the clickbait articles.

Note: "... the PS5 and Xbox Series are neither 100% RDNA1 nor RDNA 2 technology..."

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So now PS5 is closer to RDNA 2 than XSX is?

So AMD lied?
I'm supposed to believe Twitter geek over AMD?

I mean Xbox fans here believe these Twitter "geeks" that the PS5 is somehow closer to RDNA 1.

My opinion is they are both RDNA 2 based with customized features. That's the gist from all I've read.
 
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Again this is just a semantics game so people can save face, hand out L's....or whatever the kids call it on Twitter.

Mesh shaders, VRS and ML all can be simulated on both platforms. Difference is capabilities based on hardware. Having "their own versions" doesn't say or prove much. Tells you nothing about efficiency.

One dev can misread a situation especially this far from delivering results so I'm not saying that my answer is the final answer. I just don't see any of what's being offered here as evidence to refute that Series X is more efficient at these tasks. It's misdirection for these people on Twitter to get into RDNA 1 vs 2 definition technicalities.
 

A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture​


Together we are ushering in the next generation of gaming delivering a level of power, performance and compatibility never before seen in console gaming, powered by AMD’s latest “Zen 2” and RDNA 2 architectures. Xbox Series X|S are the only next-generation consoles with full hardware support for all the RDNA 2 capabilities AMD showcased today.

Well, we know that the Xbox Series X/S are full RDNA 2, confirmed by AMD and Microsoft.
 

A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture​




Well, we know that the Xbox Series X/S are full RDNA 2, confirmed by AMD and Microsoft.
Full due to using windows dx12 features that PS5 doesn't need and is cut from the silicone.
RDNA 1 in GPU clock speed.
 

A Closer Look at How Xbox Series X|S Integrates Full AMD RDNA 2 Architecture​




Well, we know that the Xbox Series X/S are full RDNA 2, confirmed by AMD and Microsoft.

I think this is where some Xbox fans get confused.

MS is specifically talking about the features that were showcased today. It's Microsoft PR speak.

Why would Sony need things such as "Sampler Feedback" and "DirectX Raytracing" when they have their own Raytracing and texture streaming solution based on their own I/O structure?
 
Full due to using windows dx12 features that PS5 doesn't need and is cut from the silicone.
RDNA 1 in GPU clock speed.

I think this is where some Xbox fans get confused.

MS is specifically talking about the features that were showcased today. It's Microsoft PR speak.

Why would Sony need things such as "Sampler Feedback" and "DirectX Raytracing" when they have their own Raytracing and texture streaming solution based on their own I/O structure?
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Why didn't MS keep the original ad?

They still are claiming it's the most powerful, because it is the worlds most powerful. 12 > 9


  • Xbox Series X, the most powerful gaming console
  • MORE IMMERSIVE AND RESPONSIVE GAMES FROM THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE
  • The bold and unique industrial design enables us to deliver the most powerful console in the quietest and most efficient way, enabling it to fit seamlessly into your home.
  • Xbox Series X delivers over 12 TFLOPS of sustained, consistent GPU performance, making it the most powerful console ever.
  • When a developer’s creativity is backed by the most powerful gaming platform in the world



All still there, all the same.
 
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They still are claiming it's the most powerful, because it is the worlds most powerful. 12 > 9


  • Xbox Series X, the most powerful gaming console
  • MORE IMMERSIVE AND RESPONSIVE GAMES FROM THE WORLD’S MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE
  • The bold and unique industrial design enables us to deliver the most powerful console in the quietest and most efficient way, enabling it to fit seamlessly into your home.
  • Xbox Series X delivers over 12 TFLOPS of sustained, consistent GPU performance, making it the most powerful console ever.
  • When a developer’s creativity is backed by the most powerful gaming platform in the world



All still there, all the same.


Then why change to most powerful Xbox ever now if nothing has changed 🤷‍♂️

Marketing PR and you're buying right into it.
 
Then why change to most powerful Xbox ever now if nothing has changed 🤷‍♂️
Because they didn't change. If you look back when it was announced, they also said most powerful Xbox ever as well. They claimed both, and they are still claiming both.

Why do you think they haven't stopped claiming both? Probably because they are just claiming the facts.

12 > 9
 
Because they didn't change. If you look back when it was announced, they also said most powerful Xbox ever as well. They claimed both, and they are still claiming both.

Why do you think they haven't stopped claiming both? Probably because they are just claiming the facts.

12 > 9

Where's the original AD then?
 
Because they didn't change. If you look back when it was announced, they also said most powerful Xbox ever as well. They claimed both, and they are still claiming both.

Why do you think they haven't stopped claiming both? Probably because they are just claiming the facts.

12 > 9
No they aren't MS has changed its stance.


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Even though XSX runs below RDNA 2 clocks.
 
Where's the original AD then?
Not sure. Do I look like Google? Why haven't they removed their stance on being the Worlds Most Powerful console? Why have they claimed to be the worlds most powerful console and most powerful Xbox for over a year now and still do?

No they aren't MS has changed its stance.


Oh and....

Even though XSX runs below RDNA 2 clocks.

Xbox Series X is the worlds most powerful console. It's also the only FULL RDNA 2 console. RDNA 2 > RDNA 1.1 and 12 > 9

 
I mean, until a few weeks ago the Xbox One X site still said it was the most powerful, so lets not take the MS PR as anything meaningful.
 
I mean, until a few weeks ago the Xbox One X site still said it was the most powerful, so lets not take the MS PR as anything meaningful.
And Sony hasn't ever claimed the PS5 is the worlds most powerful console.....because.....incoming reasons.....
 
We finally have a picture of the PS5 chip where we see it’s size and a point of comparison. A bunch of RDNA2 stuff is missing and what’s left is RDNA1.1. But yet we are to believe it does the same thing because of patents and technical know how. Basically message board talking points along with SSD and the XSX is not true RDNA2 because of CPU speed.
 
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