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The Living Tribunal said:
Revisiting this because DF FINALLY released their comparison. Seems the developer got the Series X version at a locked 60fps @ a HIGHER resolution than the PS5 version.

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Looks like the devs lowered the resolution from the demo to get better performance which is the correct choice.

Weird how DF didn't mention the better AF/texture filtering advantage the PS5 has as shown in these pics which makes the IQ of the PS5 look better than the XS.


Outriders - Demo

Xbox Series X -1944p
PS5 - 1800p

Outriders - release

XSX - 1800p
PS5 - 1728p
 
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Yeah that didn't make sense to begin with so I'm glad it was cleared up especially since MS has that marketing deal as the "official partner of Samsung TV's
and their TV's don't support Dolby Vision.
 
JinCA said:
Yeah that didn't make sense to begin with so I'm glad it was cleared up especially since MS has that marketing deal as the "official partner of Samsung TV's
and their TV's don't support Dolby Vision.
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The strange thing is XSX currently doesn't support Dolbly Vision at 4k/120 for LG OLED TVs. I did come across a posting by MSFT saying that its a bug currently being investigated with a fix coming at some point. I hope it comes soon as I'm leaning heavily to the newest LG OLED. If only both Samsung and Sony would increase the available features for gaming to bring more competition to the field and help lower prices at a quicker pace.
 
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Hmm, it looks like IQ takes a significant hit with FSR. Go look at it starting from 5:30 ish.



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Better than nothing, I guess for AMD consumers and Nvidia GTX owners. AMD needs to step it up more than that to compete with Nvidia now a' days. It seems like AMD is just doing the bare minimum to maintain itself as the underdog. They lack the ambition Nvidia has.
 
When they did it with the highest setting the stuff looked fine but when they lowered the base setting things got blurry fast, hardly worth using if that's the result.
 
DarkPassenger said:
Better than nothing, I guess for AMD consumers and Nvidia GTX owners. AMD needs to step it up more than that to compete with Nvidia now a' days. It seems like AMD is just doing the bare minimum to maintain itself as the underdog. They lack the ambition Nvidia has.
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DLSS 1.0 was pretty bad too. Maybe wait for FSR 2.0? 😅
 
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This guy is pushing hard for them to say everything from Bethesda is going to be exclusive, we already know pretty much everything that's not already announced for PS5 or Nintendo will be exclusive for Xbox/PC.

I think the way he's putting things is a it flawed though, this doesn't actually create more games for xbox as every one of those games would have come to xbox anyway it just takes games away from Sony and Nintendo so while technically it means more exclusives the actual amount of games is pretty much the same as it was going to be before the purchase.

He says the lead is shocking but it must only be to him because he was making videos in April about how things had turned around and things were all trending towards xbox based solely on other former IGN people like himself constantly talking about game pass lol.
 
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JinCA said:
This guy is pushing hard for them to say everything from Bethesda is going to be exclusive, we already know pretty much everything that's not already announced for PS5 or Nintendo will be exclusive for Xbox/PC.

I think the way he's putting things is a it flawed though, this doesn't actually create more games for xbox as every one of those games would have come to xbox anyway it just takes games away from Sony and Nintendo so while technically it means more exclusives the actual amount of games is pretty much the same as it was going to be before the purchase.
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Wait what? That's a given isn't? Maybe increase in exclusive games but not more games per se.
 
Dtwice said:
Wait what? That's a given isn't? Maybe increase in exclusive games but not more games per se.
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That's what I'm saying, it's not more actual games it's just more games they can call "exclusive" but some people are acting as if this Bethesda acquisition fixed their lack of content problem and it really doesn't because xbox gamers would have had these games either way.
 


He's talking about xbox catching up to switch btw he clarified that in a later tweet, also this is year to date.
 
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He's talking about xbox catching up to switch btw he clarified that in a later tweet, also this is year to date.
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So far, looks like same sales trend as last gen. Things can still change since it's so early in the gen.
 
DriedMangoes said:
So far, looks like same sales trend as last gen. Things can still change since it's so early in the gen.
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Yeah I mean they are still both selling everything they are putting out for the most part, Series S seem to last a little longer now but still eventually go. I doubt MS is going to do as poorly as last time but when it comes to actual console sales and money brought in overall by their gaming divisions I think PlayStation will still be quite a bit ahead of Xbox when this gen comes to an end.
 
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Will be interesting to see actual UE5 games running in realtime and the fps performance.
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It looks like static Geometry is nothing to nanite. Practically infinite. Can't make everything with it tho.
 
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DriedMangoes said:
So far, looks like same sales trend as last gen. Things can still change since it's so early in the gen.
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Right now the sales data is kinda irrelevant thanks to supply shortages. Both main consoles are gone instantly and the S isn't lasting long either. Kinda crazy this still the case 6 months in.
 
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JinCA said:
This guy is pushing hard for them to say everything from Bethesda is going to be exclusive, we already know pretty much everything that's not already announced for PS5 or Nintendo will be exclusive for Xbox/PC.

I think the way he's putting things is a it flawed though, this doesn't actually create more games for xbox as every one of those games would have come to xbox anyway it just takes games away from Sony and Nintendo so while technically it means more exclusives the actual amount of games is pretty much the same as it was going to be before the purchase.

He says the lead is shocking but it must only be to him because he was making videos in April about how things had turned around and things were all trending towards xbox based solely on other former IGN people like himself constantly talking about game pass lol.
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He has a point. Many if not everyone is uncertain how or if all Betheseda games will be exclusive. It would be silly NOT to from MS perspective.

I feel that Spencer is trying too hard to be the "Nice guy" making political correct flowery scripted statement instead of answer that help his business. Like " we are ot competiting against Sony, there is room for more than one player in console etc"

If I am in his shoes, I will just straight up said along lines of "Yes we buy Bethesada" so we have excluisve high quality AAA to compete against Sony & gain more market share"
 
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He has a point. Many if not everyone is uncertain how or if all Betheseda games will be exclusive. It would be silly NOT to from MS perspective.

I feel that Spencer is trying too hard to be the "Nice guy" making political correct flowery scripted statement instead of answer that help his business. Like " we are ot competiting against Sony, there is room for more than one player in console etc"

If I am in his shoes, I will just straight up said along lines of "Yes we buy Bethesada" so we have excluisve high quality AAA to compete against Sony & gain more market share"
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But honestly, they're not competing against Sony (in b4 "duh, look at the sales"). Microsoft is a trillion dollar corporation and their CEO's payment package includes a 5% component that's based strictly on gaming - and that's tied to Gamepass, not market share. Whether this turns out to be the right or wrong call, they're all in on that front.

I think they're all happy if they sell ~2/3 the consoles of Sony this gen and game pass ends the gen with ~60M subs. I'm not sure the target number, maybe higher, maybe not, but the money's never in consoles (which they've taken a loss on lifetime, based on Epic v Apple revelations), but on software. A software subscription? That's where they see the money.

Of course, they need content to fuel that. That's the challenge now.
 
hrudey said:
But honestly, they're not competing against Sony (in b4 "duh, look at the sales"). Microsoft is a trillion dollar corporation and their CEO's payment package includes a 5% component that's based strictly on gaming - and that's tied to Gamepass, not market share. Whether this turns out to be the right or wrong call, they're all in on that front.

I think they're all happy if they sell ~2/3 the consoles of Sony this gen and game pass ends the gen with ~60M subs. I'm not sure the target number, maybe higher, maybe not, but the money's never in consoles (which they've taken a loss on lifetime, based on Epic v Apple revelations), but on software. A software subscription? That's where they see the money.

Of course, they need content to fuel that. That's the challenge now.
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OF course MS as a corp is not competing with Sony. I think its clear we mean XBOX division.

I also highly doubt they are happy to be 1:3 sales/profit/market share compare to Sony. if I am MS CEO & the chief of BoX called 1:3 of Sony a success (remember it was almost 1:1 2 gen ago), I will fire him in a heartbeat.
 
starseeker said:
OF course MS as a corp is not competing with Sony. I think its clear we mean XBOX division.

I also highly doubt they are happy to be 1:3 sales/profit/market share compare to Sony. if I am MS CEO & the chief of BoX called 1:3 of Sony a success (remember it was almost 1:1 2 gen ago), I will fire him in a heartbeat.
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XBOX isn't competing with PS either. That is literally the point. Their primary focus is Game Pass, from the CEO of the enterprise down. Their incentive compensation packages for the CEO and named executives specifically have incentives for Game Pass - not for consoles sold, not for console market share, not for MS games sold, not for metacritic ratings for games, the only component for gaming that is specifically called out with an incentive is Game Pass. This is from top to bottom the primary driver of the Xbox strategy.

I mean, the whole point of selling consoles has always been to get money from software - Microsoft as a company has lost money on selling consoles (and I presume that doesn't even include the R&D and the cost of the RROD failures, but I didn't read the Epic documents to see if that was part of the testimony). Gaming has been shifting towards finding ways to make money on software other than the initial purchase price as well. This is basically the next step, moving away from single point purchases and into recurring revenue.

I don't remember if you're one of the folks who works with Autodesk products too, but they also went heavy on the subscription model in the mid 2010s. That's the direction a lot of software is going, and in the end, Microsoft is a software company. I'm sure they'd love to sell more consoles too, but I still think if they can get to 2/3 of Sony's hardware sales and get to 60M gamepass subs by the end of the generation, they'll be much happier than if they somehow found magic rainbow unicorn farts and got to 110% of Sony's hardware sales and only had 35M gamepass subs.
 
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This is something I have known since my computer science classes at my College. I’m a software engineer and the way modern silicon is designed closely resembles how you write software on an IDE or most other development platforms. Cool to hear that guy explain it out. It is inherent in the nature of modern software/hardware engineering: to write out and design an application you need to first know the limits of the hardware it is running on first and design around those limits or within them.
 
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Right now the sales data is kinda irrelevant thanks to supply shortages. Both main consoles are gone instantly and the S isn't lasting long either. Kinda crazy this still the case 6 months in.
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Still pretty significant that Sony managed to produce and sell twice the number of consoles as MS in Q1 globally this year.

Wonder why the huge disparity.
 
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