Sony: How to fumble a launch

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I don't really understand Sony or game developers idea about launching PS4. The sales of the system in general are very high, higher than any console in history if im not mistaken. Yet, we have no games to play. Sony wanted to invest into PS4 quite heavily and get gamers to enjoy the system... so basically

I'd have to ask Sony a few things

Where are these games, and why you didn't fund more games for launch/launch period

Tekken
Ridge Racer
RPG's
NFS (thanks.... glad to get another one of those yearly NFS up ports EA)...
Sports (not too worried about this, they are always year one efforts anyways) Say what you want about NBA 2k, but it will also look and play much much better in a few years.



I'd also have to ask, what was you thinking trying to put a Killzone game as a launch game?

Knack was a ok choice, a good alternative but it didn't really hit that creative or mass appeal of a Crash or Spyro.

PS1 era showed us that when you collectively put your RPGS, horror titles together with quality, they will take off.

Developers need to have some kind of industrial wide meeting to combat this situation in some way. Start working together at a consumer/awareness level.

I think at the end of the day developers have to understand something. If you collectively put games on something, those games are going to garner interest and sells. Developers, gotta work together in some way. Yeah, maybe one interesting RPG can take off (Demon Soul's) but for a genre to flourish you need a lot of good games in that genre.

I hope with lacking sales and play time of games like Killzone, Halo 4, Gears Judgement etc that developers will start to create orginal and unique game experiences again atleast. This is doubful however.

PS4 and Xbox One both have had some of the worse launch and post launch periods I have ever seen up to March. It will get better from March imo, atleast that is a good sign for us. Still, I much prefer the niche games of the PS2 launch my-self. To add to that, MS should have also had Halo HD something ready for One launch. Couldn't have been that hard to man power up a HD port of there better Halo games.

Maybe I'm not saying there is absoluting nothing to play. But...

Don't you think for a company that wants to push a consumer product as much as SOny wants to push PS4 would have had more in the pipe line as far as games is concerned? There is a lot of options out there that they didn't take in the four or five years they were designing the PS4. Guess we will have to wait and see their true plans and game line up for their streaming service. Hope their PS1/PS2 game list grows and potentially enhanced for HD tv's.
 
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Plenty of games to play. Just because they are not the ones you want doesn't make it a fumbled launch for either platform.
 
My phone also has plenty of games to play.

Yeah, we have the pizza but we are missing the toppings. Hardly anything of depth to play, I guess I could just stick to PS3 (as I have been anyways) since that is where all the interestin titles have been coming from anyways. Would have liked to seen some of those games on PS4 though. (Dragkan, Deception etc) So, yes, not all is so bad. I can still play them atleast.

I'd have to ask, where are the "good" plenty of games to play at? BF? NFS? Killzone? Knack? They were not there, maybe in March, but the point is. The "good" games simply haven't been there. One or two good Indie games doesn't really cut it for me. All of the stuff I was interested in didn't make it out (PS2, DC)
 
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Riiiiiidge Racer

Aren't launch periods always kind of paltry, in terms of available games?

I think they expected Killzone to be better than it was. And Knack, too. If both of them had delivered, we'd be happy gamers.

Developers need to have some kind of industrial wide meeting to combat this situation in some way.
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Uh, to combat Sony's decision making?

I think at the end of the day developers have to understand something. If you collectively put games on something, those games are going to garner interest and sells.
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Nice to have you back, Jackie. I've missed your unique way of thinking.
 
Off the top of my head, I can only think of three real major PS4 only games like Killzone, Knack, and Resogun, but those look pretty cool in my opinion. I just don't pay as much attention to Sony stuff, so if I miss anything, please fill in the gaps. As for the X1, I gotta say, lots of interesting titles, for me anyway. Outside of the big four like Killer Instinct, Ryse, Forza 5, and Dead Rising 3, you also got Zoo Tycoon, LocoCycle, Powerstar Golf, and Crimson Dragon to help fill in any desirable spots that the big exclusives and third party games might not be filling. I would definitely say that some kind of RPG should have been available day one, but it's not like none are in the pipeline either. Overall, I'm pretty optimistic about the new consoles personally. Maybe the Wii U will cater to your tastes Jackie. That X rpg that Monolith Software is making looks to be really cool, and stuff like Bayonetta 2 or Wonderful 101 could be up your alley. You seem like a guy who would enjoy Nintendo games as well.
 
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Riiiiiidge Racer

Aren't launch periods always kind of paltry, in terms of available games?

I think they expected Killzone to be better than it was. And Knack, too. If both of them had delivered, we'd be happy gamers.



Uh, to combat Sony's decision making?
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Group efforts is what makes the 3DS work, they just don't really see it like that more than likely .

I do really like Ridge racer but it's also the quality that has taken a hit. When I say they need the games, they also need to have quality there as well.
 
Obscene Jester said:
Plenty of games to play. Just because they are not the ones you want doesn't make it a fumbled launch for either platform.
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Yeah, personally this has been one of the best launches in terms of game I can remember in a long time. While many of games on the PS4 I wasn't exactly thrilled about. They weren't exactly lacking in terms of content. The One personally just had more.
 
Moving to MP forum, since the OP and others are already talking other consoles...
 
sharkboy1200 said:
Off the top of my head, I can only think of three real major PS4 only games like Killzone, Knack, and Resogun, but those look pretty cool in my opinion. I just don't pay as much attention to Sony stuff, so if I miss anything, please fill in the gaps. As for the X1, I gotta say, lots of interesting titles, for me anyway. Outside of the big four like Killer Instinct, Ryse, Forza 5, and Dead Rising 3, you also got Zoo Tycoon, LocoCycle, Powerstar Golf, and Crimson Dragon to help fill in any desirable spots that the big exclusives and third party games might not be filling. I would definitely say that some kind of RPG should have been available day one, but it's not like none are in the pipeline either. Overall, I'm pretty optimistic about the new consoles personally. Maybe the Wii U will cater to your tastes Jackie. That X rpg that Monolith Software is making looks to be really cool, and stuff like Bayonetta 2 or Wonderful 101 could be up your alley. You seem like a guy who would enjoy Nintendo games as well.
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This is why I'm focusing on Sony, MS has a few more gamers games IMO

We didn't get Hot Shots golf or anything for example. I wouldn't really include Lococycle in any sense though, that game looks terrible.

The thing is, there is just so many things sony has that they could have had something for. Ape Escape, Hot shots, wipeout, twisted metal, they have a huge amount of games that could be made to be fun and have appeal. Hopefully, can se them in the future and I'll obviously forget their launch.
 
Variance said:
Yeah, personally this has been one of the best launches in terms of game I can remember in a long time. While many of games on the PS4 I wasn't exactly thrilled about. They weren't exactly lacking in terms of content. The One personally just had more.
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I don't understand that really. We have last gen games, and nothing good on the exclusive front. What games makes this more enticing than PS2, 360?

I can't think of anything on PS4 I'd take over Tekken Tag, SSX, COD 2 (very good then, cod is obviously run in the ground now) Kameo, Condemed (dead rising ) again it's about timing and fresh experience. Not getting that from PS4.

I can't really get the same feeling from DR3, as I would DR 1 for example.
 
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Jackie_Fhan said:
This is why I'm focusing on Sony, MS has a few more gamers games IMO

We didn't get Hot Shots golf or anything for example. I wouldn't really include Lococycle in any sense though, that game looks terrible.

The thing is, there is just so many things sony has that they could have had something for. Ape Escape, Hot shots, wipeout, twisted metal, they have a huge amount of games that could be made to be fun and have appeal. Hopefully, can se them in the future and I'll obviously forget their launch.
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I played LocoCycle on the 360 myself and loved it personally. Found the game to be a ton of fun. As for Sony, yeah, I get what your saying, but they also have a ton of indie games from what I hear. Doesn't seem like they're creating too much of buzz individually, but they are there and offer up some new experiences. Still though, some more first party stuff would've been nice. Fortunately, the third party games seem to be pretty good in my opinion. I mean, ACIV has been given all kinds of love and offers up a pretty unique experience from what I hear. Then the new Infamous game is just around the corner too.
 
I actually agree with jackie. I've felt like both launches have sucked balls, especially the ps4 launch. I know I'm not the typical gamer but still. Ryse and Ki were the only xb1 games worth a damn to me and here we are months later and still nothing even half way good has been released. It's even worse for Sony. Killzone is the only game worth a damn and it wasn't even super great.

Even 3rd parties are blowing balls imo. I can't believe nothing else has been released yet. The only games I even own between both systems are KI, Killzone and battlefield 4. 3 games between 2 platforms and I just downgraded my gamefly because there is not even a point to renting 2 games at once lol. I've been so bored with these systems it's not even funny.

At least Titanfall is coming out in a few weeks, but I'm most likely getting that on pc so my xb1 will still end up unplayed. Ps4 has infamous but that is not enough. Sony definitely should have gotten 3rd parties to port over some ps3 games imo.
 
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Been enjoying Tomb Raider, AC4, Resogun, Outlast.
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Again, this is like enjoying Gun, King Kong on 360. It's good to have them, yes I agree... but half of these games are not going to push gamers to the system. I want to get Tomb Raider for PS4, but it's not exactly a ground breaking experience imo (same for AC4)

Maybe I'm not saying there is absoluting nothing to play. But...

Don't you think for a company that wants to push a consumer product as much as SOny wants to push PS4 would have had more in the pipe line as far as games is concerned? There is a lot of options out there that they didn't take in the four or five years they were designing the PS4. Guess we will have to wait and see their true plans and game line up for their streaming service. Hope their PS1/PS2 game list grows and potentially enhanced for HD tv's.
 
sharkboy1200 said:
I played LocoCycle on the 360 myself and loved it personally. Found the game to be a ton of fun. As for Sony, yeah, I get what your saying, but they also have a ton of indie games from what I hear. Doesn't seem like they're creating too much of buzz individually, but they are there and offer up some new experiences. Still though, some more first party stuff would've been nice. Fortunately, the third party games seem to be pretty good in my opinion. I mean, ACIV has been given all kinds of love and offers up a pretty unique experience from what I hear. Then the new Infamous game is just around the corner too.
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Agreed on Infamous and March, but they still fumbled the 4 months before that. That is what I'm mainly talking about. End of this year, if there are some unique and worth while games to play I'm sure we will all forget this time rather quickly atleast. Really don't see games being that much different from last gen though sadly. I'd take more borderlands style than COD though.
 
Hissatsu said:
I would have been happy with a port of Armored Core for ps4.
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Yakuza is a nice touch (would have been fantastic to actually get it right about now for a English release... I would have forgiven Sony a lot more in that situation actually.

Beyond should have been a PS4 launch game as well, I'm sure sony sees that as a mistake too after the low sales.
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
Agreed on Infamous and March, but they still fumbled the 4 months before that. That is what I'm mainly talking about. End of this year, if there are some unique and worth while games to play I'm sure we will all forget this time rather quickly atleast. Really don't see games being that much different from last gen though sadly. I'd take more borderlands style than COD though.
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Who knows, but it seems like both sides fumbled in one way or another. Sony just seems to be taking less criticism for something MS was given a ton of heat for the past few years in the lack of variety in games and overall exclusives line-up. Yet it's been their biggest weakness and until they reveal more, they're future exclusive line-up vs MS' still come across as pale in comparison I think. The better hardware really has given them a win though. That seems to be what PS4 fans are really championing.
 
There were a lot of PS games that could've been released at launch, but then again, many of them had recently been released on the PS3 so perhaps it wouldn't have made much sense bring a new iteration of the same games on the upcoming PS4. Bringing GT6 out on the PS3 was absolutely bonkers though. To release that on the PS4 seemed to be a no-brainer. How Sony missed out on that opportunity, I'll never know. :rolleyes:
 
Forza 5, Ryse, Killer Instinct, Dead Rising 3, ACIV, Battlefield 4... I mean the list can keep going and going. I dunno, I don't see it as you.
 
I could probably agree with Ryse, Forza 5, KI if they weren't such bare bones packaging. I do give MS a B for having KI for launch though, these are the sort of moves Sony should have made.

I actually forgot to mention the second part of Sony's fumble.

PS4 allocation's

They did one thing right, not launching in Japan early was the right move (possibly, could have had some games for them too sony...) but...

I think Sony should have cut their launch countries down to about 16 or so. There is nothing wrong with releasing in other countries later to meet the demand in US, UK and a few other strong holds. This is the idea MS had, that didn't exactly work out, but I gurantee you it helped them sell a lot more units than they would have other wise.. along with Sony's fumble.

Get in another possible million units to some of the European and American markets and you would have probably seen more PS4 and less One sales.

I do think sony did a lot of things right (price, design, network, os) etc and I'd still give the a solid A- but they really missed the A+ oppurtunity that would have been easily had.
 
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Barebones?

I dunno what quantifies that in your world, but Ryse was pretty feature rich as a game. DR3 and Forza5 as well. KI, as a working demo ongoing until S2, is a damn good thing.
 
I wouldn't consider Ryse a strong launch game, besides graphics the game is average. KI, Dead Rising, and Forza are strong launch games. The x1 had a stronger launch lineup imo.
 
Variance said:
Barebones?

I dunno what quantifies that in your world, but Ryse was pretty feature rich as a game. DR3 and Forza5 as well. KI, as a working demo ongoing until S2, is a damn good thing.
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Not sure how Ryse is a feature gameplay rich game. Forza 5, ditto. DR3 I didn't say was barebones.. KI should have had more characters, just not a fan of that model. DLC characters is fine.. but atleast give me 12 characters day 1. Also, some of the art styles are very questionable for my tastes. All in all, seems the game is good for what is there for where it counts though.

MS did have the stronger line up of exclusives, but having weak ports made it a problem to own the system. Sony had the better launch in theory before actual launch. Then everything was delayed. Really wanted Driveclub
 
This was my first console launch... and since launch I've played on my PS4:

COD: Ghosts
Contrast (free from PS+ at launch)
Resogun (free from PS+ at launch)
Killzone: Shadow Fall
NBA 2K14
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Trine 2 Complete Story
Knack
The Playroom
Just Dance 2014
Outlast (PS+)
Don't Starve: Console Edition (still need to start but downloaded already)

Actually been pretty busy up until January. Yes, there is a drought now from Jan/Feb with only Tomb Raider: DE and Thief coming out but for me personally, this has been a great launch. Got my shooters, puzzle/platformers, action, survival horror, side shooters, sports, openworld (AC4: BF is pretty open world for me), music/dance. The only genres missing to back it up would be a good JRPG and racing game. Other than that... it's been fun.
 
Jackie_Fhan said:
Not sure how Ryse is a feature gameplay rich game. Forza 5, ditto. DR3 I didn't say was barebones.. KI should have had more characters, just not a fan of that model. DLC characters is fine.. but atleast give me 12 characters day 1. Also, some of the art styles are very questionable for my tastes. All in all, seems the game is good for what is there for where it counts though.
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For a story driven hack n slash game, it is feature rich. Especially when you add in the multiplayer element. KI should have had more characters, but I'm ok with them balancing the game and getting it just right while their fans enjoy the hell out of it.
 
COD: Ghosts
Contrast (free from PS+ at launch)
Resogun (free from PS+ at launch)
Killzone: Shadow Fall
NBA 2K14
Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Lego Marvel Super Heroes
Trine 2 Complete Story
Knack
The Playroom
Just Dance 2014
Outlast (PS+)
Don't Starve: Console Edition (still need to start but downloaded already)

Would play most of these, but i can't justify the launch price of these games. I don't want them that much.
 
X1 had a marginally stronger exclusive launch line up.
Both consoles exclusives were outshone by 3rd parties.
PS4 has a lower price that for many, outweighed Ryse and Forza.

I wouldn't call it a fumbled launch as much as a satisfactory one.

Not every launch can have a Halo or Mario 64, and the days of first party games destroying 3rd parties in quality are a memory.
 
I really don't get this crap people keep spouting that we don't have games to play, this was the best console launch line up (both the PS4 and X1) that we've ever had IMO. Yes we had ports which we always have at launch but they weren't sloppy, AC4 was a better game on next gen then current gen, BF4 was a better game (when it worked) on next gen than current gen etc. Yes the exclusives may not have captured everyone's hearts but launch exclusives usually are mediocre. I've had plenty of games to play since launch day so I really don't understand this way of thinking.
 
He's back and his English is still broken. Welcome back Jackie!

But yeah.. there's not many games for the PS4 right now but you can bet your ass they're coming. When has Sony ever dropped the ball on games? That's their staple. The PS3 had a slow launch. How'd that turn out?
 
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