The Interviews Of Phil Spencer - To P3 And Beyond
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No just little weird to say great games wouldn't move the needle on the console front . Great games are exactly what gamers want so having more of them would definitely help to make them come to your console platform. Of course this wouldn't be an overnight thing, it would need to be consistent output over a generation.
Arkane just assisted MachineGames in that one, so I wouldn't put it on them. They were just responsible for level design.
If you have time, watch the entire interview. He explains his reasoning. Much of his reasoning ALSO includes the fact now that people have a massive investment in an ecosystem where all their games are moving forward, they aren't going to leave that garden to go into a new garden. Which means they would have to pray on a small portion of people that are multiconsole owners, or want to be.
He does make sense. I almost have 1000 PAID for games in my Xbox catalog. Not a chance that I am going to ever dump Xbox and go to PS (If I didn't have a PS that is) because it has a few games that aren't in my expansive library that can't even be sold. I am going to continue to grow my library of games that are all playable on my one device. If I had 1000 games in my PS library, I wouldn't want to leave it.
If a competitor to iTunes comes out and is the only place in town where you can get Metallica's new album, but that person's iTunes library consists of 20,000 paid songs, they aren't going to switch to Zune because they want Metallica.
The whole digital thing is changing this.
He knows, and we know, that there will indeed be more people buying an Xbox if they release some games that are not on PS. They will move the needle. But not in some record time frame that fanboys expect. But at the same time, PS gamers aren't going to dump their library of games.
MS has the games. They have more coming. And if Activision closes soon, they will have those. So Xbox and Windows PC fans are safe for many years/decades to come. Xbox has already grown this gen more than all previous gens. We have great games, and more great games coming.
Hope it works out. I would like more MP and Xbox first party games I can play on PC.
I think the problem with "record time" is they probably should have been consistently delivering by now and them not doing it is why it would require record time.
They clearly have issues that go beyond whether they have enough studios. None of us thought we would still be having this kind of discussion in 2023 when they ramped things up years ago.
This is what happens when you let developers be free to do what ever they want. It wasn't this way before and now it is getting worse.
I think Phil is amazing. He manages to be the only non-politician that manages to keep performing badly year after year & still keep his job.
On a serious note. It's bogus how someone in this position thinks studios you bought should develop games how they want (obviously not include games they are already in development).
You need to set the sales, financial goals, timeframe, & criteria for games you expected from them. And they can think about & propose to you what they are developing, & negotiate the terms. You do not let them do whatever F they want. That defeats the purpose of buying a studio.
If you want creative freedom, stay independent.
On a serious note. It's bogus how someone in this position thinks studios you bought should develop games how they want (obviously not include games they are already in development).
You need to set the sales, financial goals, timeframe, & criteria for games you expected from them. And they can think about & propose to you what they are developing, & negotiate the terms. You do not let them do whatever F they want. That defeats the purpose of buying a studio.
If you want creative freedom, stay independent.
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Their selling the Xbox platform. Xbox hardware is just one piece of that. Jesus, jinca! My man's stay salty.
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Unless he is playing the long game that I don't see, he needs to get the stepping. I like the older guys when they were more aggressive. None of this plays nice with others. Like the ABK deal, he should just say f*** it and give nothing away. Look what SONY did to them on this deal, Do you see them playing nice?
Uh, did you follow the ABK deal? They gave to pass the deal and it still didn’t work.
Wow, all I said was making great games will sell more hardware, that's hardly a controversial or even critical response to what he said lol.
You weren't listening. Since Sony and Nintendo are so synonymous with hardware, Xbox won't be able to make a dent in specifically the hardware space against them. This is precisely why they went the subscription route and are playing to their strengths now.
As he mentioned, no one's going to sell their PS5 for Starfield, no matter how good it is. He's right!
I think you are amazing. A German full of false propaganda. How quaint.
If you think he is failing then you just aren't paying attention or are ignorant as all hell.
- Making more money.
- Got MS to actually invest in Xbox.
- Got one of the best services in the business.
- Grew XGS massively.
- Did all that after Mattrick killed Xbox in the last gen.
And when all his work is on the cusp of fruition he is suddenly failing or should be booted. What a joke.
You think Sony and Nintinedo beat MS because of hardware? Console are not collector items like watches or vintage cars.
people pick them over Xbox because they consistently produce high quality exclusive AAA titles. Something MS have issue with , for more than a decade That doesn’t have forza in the name.
people wouldn’t give up their ps or nintendo beCause it’s one game, and Nintendo and PS easily have 5-10x the quantity of quality titles.
Noone is selling their Ps5 for Starfield but they will buy into the Xbox platform if the game is good. Gone are the days where gamers really only focus on one platform especially when more games are intertwined now on PC. If you have good games, I bet more than likely people will come. That is the main reason Sony and Nintendo continue to do well every generation. They bring the quality games consistently.
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This just isn't true.
The vast majority of console owners have 1 console. The idiots you meet on Twitter and folk you see on forums are not representative of the majority.
Phil's point wasn't that making good games is bad for Xbox so they wont make them. His point was simply making good games isn't enough as the other 2 do that aswell. They have to find other ways, like Game Pass.
You need to also fill Gamepass with great games. Otherwise what would be the appeal?
They have done it before with the 360. They can do it again.
If anyone has listened to the podcast, they would be aware that he’s aware of what people say, mentions he’s seen many things about him, from “fire Phil” and other negative stuff against him.
It’s a good listen, and pretty short too, well I list to it at 1.5 or 2x speed on my way to work.
It’s a good listen, and pretty short too, well I list to it at 1.5 or 2x speed on my way to work.
Yes. Nobody disputes you need good games. Not Phil, not I.
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Funnything is Phil's whole point about good games isn't enough and trying to out console is pointless has history to back it.
just look at Nintendo. They stopped trying to out console. did other things and went from 25 million sold to like 100+ million. Wasn't quick though.
just look at Nintendo. They stopped trying to out console. did other things and went from 25 million sold to like 100+ million. Wasn't quick though.