The basis for my beliefs are sad?
I trust the truths of that basis over what people think they feel.
I trust the truths of that basis over what people think they feel.
The Naughty Dog Agenda
- Thread starter karmakid
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Some of the later comments ITT have provided too much information. Particularly the one about being offered money to allow the use of their private area. 
This sex stuff in a lot of TV shows and now in gaming serves no real purpose. Most of it adds nothing to it and it's just there for shock value more than anything else it seems. Let it be optional like in TW3 instead of the entire focus of the game being set around it, which is what it looks like they're doing with this game so far. I don't care if the main character is gay or straight, I do care that they're focusing on it so much for whatever reason.
This sex stuff in a lot of TV shows and now in gaming serves no real purpose. Most of it adds nothing to it and it's just there for shock value more than anything else it seems. Let it be optional like in TW3 instead of the entire focus of the game being set around it, which is what it looks like they're doing with this game so far. I don't care if the main character is gay or straight, I do care that they're focusing on it so much for whatever reason.
Val says he isn't sure if the Earth is flat or not (seriously) so bad example
I don't know why you keep talking about being "policed" and "not allowed" to speak or being banned if you state your opinion. None of that is happening. If it were, I'd be the first to side with you.
I understand that you disagree. You don't need to use all caps to shout about it. What I'm asking for is a reason for your disagreement. You're not giving any reasons. That's fine if you don't want to. I understand religion can be a dicey subject on internet forums, and you probably don't want to open yourself to more ridicule and push-back. Discussion doesn't really go anywhere without anyone providing reasons or rationale, though.
I'll take a guess at the rationale underlying your disagreement. Parts of the Bible say homosexuality is a sin. Something can't be a sin if it's involuntary. A moral/ethical wrong has to be something that's freely chosen. If what all those gay people are saying is true -- that they were just born that way -- then those parts of the Bible are wrong, because homosexuality can't be a sin if it's not a free choice. The Bible is inerrant, so therefore it must be the gay people who are wrong about their own experience. That's what I think the reasoning is.
Btw, it's not just "feelings." Feelings are momentary states that pass. For instance, I'm feeling kind of down and hurt today, because of something that happened last night. That's a feeling, and it'll pass. Later today, I'll feel different. Sexual orientation isn't a transient emotion; it's more like a trait or temperament. For instance, I'm an introvert. I've always been an introvert, and I'll always be an introvert. That's just how God made me. It's not just a feeling or an emotion, and it's not something I've got a choice about. It's part of who I am and how I've always been. That's similar to the difference between feelings and sexual orientation.
You should read this thread. Its Union's finest work.
http://unionvgf.com/index.php?threa...int-and-laugh-at-flat-earthers-thread.159848/
Unsure if the world is flat
Believes there was an ancient civilization of angels on the moon
Earth is 6000 years old
Believes women should be subservient to men
Equates homosexuality to sorcery
The sad thing is that we're talking more about Ellie's sexual orientation than the game itself, and the game looks state of the art amazing.
I very much respect people's religious and other beliefs. I believe in protecting people's rights to their freedom and beliefs.
However I also respect my freedom to NOT be constrained by someone else's beliefs. That's what people don't get. You can't stamp your beliefs and definitions on me.
However I also respect my freedom to NOT be constrained by someone else's beliefs. That's what people don't get. You can't stamp your beliefs and definitions on me.
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The difference is gay people and people who support us aren't trying to pass laws to make you accept things, the same can't be said for the other side. People try to vote to keep gay people from having the same rights, not special rights just equal when it comes to things like marriage or adoption etc. Also again I have to say it seems like people who think there should be two sides to this thought process just don't get it, being gay is just the way people are it is not a choice, that thought process shouldn't be given validation because it's based on a lie and it has a negative effect on other people. So yes they have a right to feel that way, you can't make laws against free thought but validating something that makes no sense just so someone who is wrong doesn't feel bad about it seems counter productive IMO.
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Separate thing but that's just pure idiocy, can those people not see the sun or the moon? Why the hell would the earth be flat but every other planet and star we can see with our own eyes be round? I get that they don't trust anything but what their Sunday cult leader tells them before he asks for money (and sometimes Alex Jones) but that kind of thinking is just plain stupid.
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Blame the devs for pulling this nonsense. That scene should've never been the focal point when they have an awesome game that's now basically being swept under the rug because of it. I was waiting to see the game for over a year and they killed my hype for the game entirely.
Very serious, if you think being gay is a choice or just a feeling you are flat out wrong.
Its your opinion and in my opinion I disagree and telling me I'm wrong over and over is policing.
You can think what you want to think about people who don't see things the way you do.
I'm not policing you so please stop the victim mentality garbage, nobody has said you would be banned from the site or that you are going to be arrested for your opinion so no you aren't being policed you are being corrected. I'm telling you what the truth is because I actually live it so me telling you that you are wrong isn't an opinion it's a fact based on actual experience and first hand knowledge. If I didn't think you were a good guy I wouldn't even other with the discussion but I don't get how in this day and age you could think the way you do, especially if as you say you have gay "friends". Is it because someone offered to pay you for sex? are you judging an entire group of people based on that? I hope not because the President you support has done a hell of a lot worse to women and if we judged straight men by what he's done you'd all be in jail lol.
Nah, that's all right. I thought you might be willing to express your reasoning here in this discussion. I guess not. Oh well.
I'm sure once they show more of it you'll get your hype back
Unless it turns out horrible, I'll definitely get the game. It's just not something I'm anticipating as much now because of their choice in the story section that they focused on in the trailer. I just don't like sex stuff in games. I stopped playing GoW3 because of it and skipped every part in TW3 where you were given those choices to do dirty stuff. I play games for fun and to escape reality, not to feel awkward...
A kiss is hardly sex
but I get what you mean. It was a bit childish in God of War 3, it was just there to be there and just seemed immature. The way it's done in this game seems more organic and like they are trying to tell a mature story.
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A kiss is hardly sex
I DON'T LIKE THAT EITHER
Someone earlier in the thread said Era was better now.
Same animal. They may have backed off a bit and become slightly more tolerant of free speech, but it's the same underlying progressive/SJW sensitivities.
Or maybe I misunderstood and by "new GAF" you were actually referring to GAF now, and not to Resetera as I assumed.
Sure is. Speech police. Can't say anything that might possibly be perceived as disrespectful to some subgroup based on gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or whatever, no matter if it's a reasonable, fact-based opinion or not. They just want to shut you down, if your opinion is not the approved one. They usually do it by shame tactics or name-calling (racist, sexist, etc.). Or else just shouting and screaming.