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OneBadMutha said:
No more PS Pro comparisons please. There's hardly a Scorpio thread on the internet that isn't a ish show due to system wars. Can't we be excited about new toys without all the bull? I think the only relevant platform to compare the Scorpio to is the PC and that's to gauge potential performance.
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Not true, the hardware in the Pro and Scorpio are more alike than anything you'll find on PC and it's not about comparing which is better because clearly that's scorpio, only "comparisons" are strictly to show what kind of expectations can be made of the hardware for Scorpio. You aren't going to find anything in the PC market that resembles the make up of Scorpio more than the Pro.
 
JinCA said:
Not true, the hardware in the Pro and Scorpio are more alike than anything you'll find on PC and it's not about comparing which is better because clearly that's scorpio, only "comparisons" are strictly to show what kind of expectations can be made of the hardware for Scorpio. You aren't going to find anything in the PC market that resembles the make up of Scorpio more than the Pro.
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Your continuance to quote every mofo here and make it about PlayStation vs Xbox is getting old. You absolutely need to compare Scorpio to PC benchmarks because the Pro benchmark isn't high enough. If Scorpio offers the same results of the Pro, it will be underwhelming and completely disappointing...which is what I think you're hoping for. We don't need you to provide the anti-hype right now.

JinCA said:
The trailer for the game makes it look like Sony has the marketing rights to it so don't count on it being shown at any big MS events, it'll undoubtedly look the best on Scorpio though.
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...marketing deals all differ. There have been numerous instances where one of the big companies has the marketing deal but the game is still shown in both E3 conferences. My point still remains. Even with the marketing, this will be on EA Access early and undoubtably there will be streams and pics of it running on Scorpio everywhere.
 
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The first SW: Battlefront had sound in Dolby Atmos for PC only. Here's hoping that it will be in Atmos for Xbox One and Scorpio, now that MS is opening the audio block up for Atmos. Too bad they can't even advertise it properly, though.
 
OneBadMutha said:
Your continuance to quote every mofo here and make it about PlayStation vs Xbox is getting old. You absolutely need to compare Scorpio to PC benchmarks because the Pro benchmark isn't high enough. If Scorpio offers the same results of the Pro, it will be underwhelming and completely disappointing...which is what I think you're hoping for. We don't need you to provide the anti-hype right now.



...marketing deals all differ. There have been numerous instances where one of the big companies has the marketing deal but the game is still shown in both E3 conferences. My point still remains. Even with the marketing, this will be on EA Access early and undoubtably there will be streams and pics of it running on Scorpio everywhere.
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EA access no doubt, the last one was even though there were never any official X1 advertisements for the game and it was NEVER shown on stage at an X1 event, same will happen with this one, keep telling yourself marketing deals are different but that's not going to change reality.

You can keep your cheerleader act up all you want, Scorpio will be the most powerful console when it comes out and will likely hold that title for 2 years or more and that's great, why make it out to be something it's not? the CPU is 200mhz faster than the one in the Pro, both are customized jaguars nothing more, that alone keeps them from being compared to what you'd get in a mid to high end gaming PC, there is NOTHING wrong with admitting this is a powerful console but there is something wrong with pretending it's on the same level overall as a gaming rig when the CPU will keep that from being the case. This isn't a dick measuring contest even though you seem to want it to be one, it's simply talking about how much games will benefit from the extra power, nobody is suggesting the Pro has any technical advantage over Scorpio because it doesn't.
 
griff_dai said:
Screw Battlefront 2 if XBOX lands KOTR remaster then they win e3
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Wasn't that talk shut down by kotaku? they said the game isn't happening and it was just something that had been prototyped but never greenlit.
 
OneBadMutha said:
Your continuance to quote every mofo here and make it about PlayStation vs Xbox is getting old. You absolutely need to compare Scorpio to PC benchmarks because the Pro benchmark isn't high enough. If Scorpio offers the same results of the Pro, it will be underwhelming and completely disappointing...which is what I think you're hoping for. We don't need you to provide the anti-hype right now.
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Realistically the architecture of Scorpio matches far closer to the PS4 Pro then anything else (ironically even the XB1), so it makes sense to guesstimate performance by taking the PS4 Pros performance and multiplying it by the difference in TFLOPs for a rough guide on what you should expect.
 
JinCA said:
Wasn't that talk shut down by kotaku? they said the game isn't happening and it was just something that had been prototyped but never greenlit.
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Yeah they said it wasn't greenlit yet.... It's still on the table. They are working on something else at the moment so any hope for a kotor game will be a long while yet.
 
Frozpot said:
Yeah, that was like, every console generation before the last. Problem is, many younger gamers think the 8 year cycle is the norm, instead of the outlier. Hell, in the 90s, s*** was coming out more frequently than that! Sega Genesis, SNES, Sega CD, 32X, Saturn, Playstation, Dreamcast, Playstation 2, N64, Virtual Boy, (ok, 89 to 2000, but still)!! Not to mention the 3DO, Jaguar, and Neo Geo.

Even Nintendo had a mid-gen refresh of sorts in way of that FX Chip in the cartridges. I think the N64 did something similar with an add on. Ah, history... To bad know one remembers it...
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I never got to see a Jaguar in person, but I used to use my allowance to buy Gamepro (which was $14 here) and they always had ads for it! And they had this controller with like, a bajillion buttons on it.
 
JinCA said:
You'd think so but that gain would be for GPU not CPU, the CPU will still be limiting on the Scorpio but just not by as much. The GPU is really strong and it will be doing a lot of work I'm sure so anything that's a load on the GPU will look better on Scorpio than anywhere else but the CPU stuff will still be a bottleneck but again it'll be to a lesser degree than on the Pro. Honestly I don't mind that, sure being able to get 60 fps more often sounds great but there have been a ton of amazing console gaming experiences over the years that were 30 fps, hell the vast majority of them have been.
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I just remember a lot more games running better on ps4 despite running at a higher resolution, I'm almost certain the same would be true here if they were both running at a 1800p middle ground. Remember, the ps4 did it 90% of the time and had a slower cpu WHILE running at higher resolution. I'm almost certain will see high-performance modes that pro doesn't get. Also a game like Battlefront with DX12 matches up with the cpu if I read correctly, not to mention way more RAM.
 
You guys keep acting like Scorpio will be so much better than the Pro, when it's actually just the CPU, GPU, memory size, memory bandwidth, UHD drive, input, output, V sync, texture filtering, drive speed, loading speed, and video capture that will be better.

STOP EXPECTING GREATNESS!!!
 
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JinCA said:
The CPU is still going to limit things, it's only 200mhz faster than the one in the Pro and people expecting most games to be bumped up to 60 fps are probably going to be disappointed. I think that's why they wanted DF to be the ones to break it down, they saw all the nonsense going around online about it being a newer CPU and thought "well when this leaks out and it will because it always does people will be upset because it's not the newest and best, let's have DF come in and break down our modifications so it cuts off some of the panic" and that was very smart.

The problem is some people who were saying it had to be ryzen before are now acting like this cpu is just as good and it's not, it's 100% the right cpu for the console though don't get me wrong I have NO problem with them using it but it's still going to be limiting just as the CPU has been in the PS4/Pro and X1. Things that are heavily CPU dependent are still going to have issues pushing performance beyond a certain point and that's fine, these are consoles not PC's so we can't expect top of the line everything for a much lower price than a person would pay on a high end gaming rig.
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Why is this pony not banned ffs..
 
The Wolf King said:
Cut. It. Out.

Topic bans will be coming next.
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Agree, I have a hammer myself I don't know what it can do here but I got a great deal at Home Depot and I haven't used it yet. This might be the place to test it out to see if the deal is worth it.

All kid aside we just had the other thread closed because you guys just can't keep PS4 and Pro out of this topic and feel like you need to compare all the time.
 
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Scorpio VR talk
 
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Some cool stuff


  • DK have 24 GB of memory. Imagine what that could accomplish
  • 3rd party games up and running at native 4k in only a day
  • Devs are encouraged to develop for high end and scale down
  • Games developed for OG Xbox One will just work
  • Vents at sides and back means consoles can be stacked vertically
  • Work already under way on Scorpios successor
 
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JinCA said:
There were also X1 games that ran at more stable framerates as well, keeping a more stable 30fps is a lot different than doubling the framerate and you won't get that with a 200mhz difference. Yon don't see games going from 30 to 60 on PS4 to the Pro and there is a 500mhz difference between those two CPU's.
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You still seem to be of the opinion that they took the same CPU, jacked up the frequency and were done with it.

The DF articles/videos stated extremely clearly that what MS did was take games that had shipped on its console and run extensive profiling on them to identify precisely where each game was bottlenecking, and then customizing the CPU/GPU and everything else based on that data. You're also neglecting to mention that the increase of the hard drive speed gets compressed assets to the CPU (and GPU) faster, and therefore less time will need to be spent preparing and loading those. You're also not mentioning that because of the increased RAM that more assets can be kept in memory rather than pulled off disk, which also means less time preparing and loading those.

I'm not saying it's a frame rate doubler by any stretch, just that your understanding of the CPU seems to start with a number and end with mhz, and that's unfortunate.
 
hrudey said:
You still seem to be of the opinion that they took the same CPU, jacked up the frequency and were done with it.

The DF articles/videos stated extremely clearly that what MS did was take games that had shipped on its console and run extensive profiling on them to identify precisely where each game was bottlenecking, and then customizing the CPU/GPU and everything else based on that data. You're also neglecting to mention that the increase of the hard drive speed gets compressed assets to the CPU (and GPU) faster, and therefore less time will need to be spent preparing and loading those. You're also not mentioning that because of the increased RAM that more assets can be kept in memory rather than pulled off disk, which also means less time preparing and loading those.

I'm not saying it's a frame rate doubler by any stretch, just that your understanding of the CPU seems to start with a number and end with mhz, and that's unfortunate.
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If there where significant performance gains they would be shouting it out from the roof tops like they have been for the GPU. I wouldn't expect much outside of maybe a bit ontop of the upclock.
 
GordoSan said:
You guys keep acting like Scorpio will be so much better than the Pro, when it's actually just the CPU, GPU, memory size, memory bandwidth, UHD drive, input, output, V sync, texture filtering, drive speed, loading speed, and video capture that will be better.

STOP EXPECTING GREATNESS!!!
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Greatness awaits (when the PS5 is launched).
 
kb said:
If there where significant performance gains they would be shouting it out from the roof tops like they have been for the GPU. I wouldn't expect much outside of maybe a bit ontop of the upclock.
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You're right. Instead they're hiding behind releasing specs more than six months ahead of launch to an outfit widely known as being the pixel and frame counters, just like ... oh, nobody else has done that?
 
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hrudey said:
You're right. Instead they're hiding behind releasing specs more than six months ahead of launch to an outfit widely known as being the pixel and frame counters, just like ... oh, nobody else has done that?
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Instead there being incredibly coy about the architecture there CPU is based on for no reason. The only reason to do this at this point in time is because its jaguar and they don't want to say so.
 
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