Pachter: Next Xbox and PS5 in 2020

TDbank24 said:
I would say Sony is the most likely company to be in trouble if they stink it up since the PS division is really the only thing making them money anymore.
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This is absolutely not true.

In the past year and including the last quarter, Sony has made more money from three other departments of its business.

Imaging Products & Solutions (digital cameras and industrial imaging for medical etc)

Devices (Hardware that is not PlayStation or mobile phone)

Financial Services (Insurance!)

All these departments match or exceed the gaming business. For the full year Sony expects Pictures, Music, Devices and Financial Services to be the top performers for the company in revenue and profit over gaming.

The only thing it needs to ditch is its mobile phone business, which loses loads of money but not enough to offset the company's profits.

PlayStation is important to Sony but it isn't the only thing making them profitable.




 
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Troublegum said:
This is absolutely not true.

In the past year and including the last quarter, Sony has made more money from three other departments of its business.

Imaging Products & Solutions (digital cameras and industrial imaging for medical etc)

Devices (Hardware that is not PlayStation or mobile phone)

Financial Services (Insurance!)

All these departments match or exceed the gaming business. For the full year Sony expects Pictures, Music, Devices and Financial Services to be the top performers for the company in revenue and profit over gaming.

The only thing it needs to ditch is its mobile phone business, which loses loads of money but not enough to offset the company's profits.

PlayStation is important to Sony but it isn't the only thing making them profitable.
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For probably 10 years, their most successful and consistently profitable division is insurance. Yet it's the one division most people don't know they even have since it is Asia focused only.

The company itself would have higher shareholder/equity value if it was solely a Sony insurance company, since it makes oodles of money, while other divisions over the years is hit and miss.
 
Intellivision said:
For probably 10 years, their most successful and consistently profitable division is insurance. Yet it's the one division most people don't know they even have since it is Asia focused only.

The company itself would have higher shareholder/equity value if it was solely a Sony insurance company, since it makes oodles of money, while other divisions over the years is hit and miss.
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They have steadied the ship on their hardware divisions (outside of mobile which is a shonking disaster) and the image products they have are industry leading.

Kaz Hirai is doing a terrific job at the moment but people only see PlayStation as it is their most recognised brand these days.
 
Troublegum said:
Kaz Hirai is doing a terrific job at the moment but people only see PlayStation as it is their most recognised brand these days.
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That's because their TV division has taken a beating as people prefer buying Samsung and LG.

PS is a consumer-centric brand. It's sales depend on consumer awareness, discussion, fun and as many stores carrying the product as possible. Consumer centric brands will always be the most popular, but doesn't mean the most financially successful.

At my company, many of our consumer brands do great, but some of our professional sales division products sell better (stuff sold to businesses and institutions). These products you'd never know about as it doesn't sell to stores. It's sales guys selling direct to businesses and wholesalers.

At one of my old companies, one of the best divisions sold medical equipment. Unless you worked in a doctor's office or hospital you'd have no idea we made gear for them even though we are a well known global company that also sells stuff at Walmart.
 
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Sounds about right. Imagine where we'll be in 2020. 4k consoles?!
 
Troublegum said:
Still think the Xbox One will be the last Xbox console, huh?

I think they would be leaving billions of dollars on the table by dropping out of the console market. The Xbox brand makes plenty of bank through Xbox Live, which quite frankly nobody is going to sign up to for online play on any device outside of a console.
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But he thinks Dreamcast 2 is actually a real possibility. Lol
 
Troublegum said:
This is absolutely not true.

In the past year and including the last quarter, Sony has made more money from three other departments of its business.

Imaging Products & Solutions (digital cameras and industrial imaging for medical etc)

Devices (Hardware that is not PlayStation or mobile phone)

Financial Services (Insurance!)

All these departments match or exceed the gaming business. For the full year Sony expects Pictures, Music, Devices and Financial Services to be the top performers for the company in revenue and profit over gaming.

The only thing it needs to ditch is its mobile phone business, which loses loads of money but not enough to offset the company's profits.

PlayStation is important to Sony but it isn't the only thing making them profitable.
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Oh yeah. I'm sure Sony makes plenty of money at the end of the day. They're not Microsoft but they don't need to be. The doom and gloom is always exaggerated to a point. All of these companies are on a budget, is what it comes down to. Last gen Sony couldn't sell a building without people saying it was over for them. How times change. The better you do, the better the budget. They're obviously in a much better place now.
 
TDbank24 said:
Oh yeah. I'm sure Sony makes plenty of money at the end of the day. They're not Microsoft but they don't need to be. The doom and gloom is always exaggerated to a point. All of these companies are on a budget, is what it comes down to. Last gen Sony couldn't sell a building without people saying it was over for them. How times change. The better you do, the better the budget. They're obviously in a much better place now.
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AFAIK Sony is still in the red as a company overall.
 
VaLLiancE said:
MS gaming history is like Sega. Both have been contenders but neither understood the business enough to win a single console generation.(I feel a winning or losing history is key)The closest they got was the last gen and they still couldn't get it done losing billions and this gen the beating is even worse and the victor was decided less then 2 years in.(that's gotta be killing the desire to stay in the biz ) MS doesn't need gaming and you can see from some of the decisions they make throughout the years that they are clueless to what the majority of gamers want. I don't need spin responses from bg saying 1st place isn't important if they are making money...been there heard that.Also There has been numerous rumors that MS was looking to sell the XB brand.Then the games or should I say lack of games.The XBO has put out the lowest rated exclusives this gen and watered down versions of 3rd party games in comparison to the giant S.
MS can't go toe to toe with Sony ie release the same time,put out better exclusives or be more popular.

I will repeat what I see going down and it will be one of 2 things.
MS sells the XB brand(Amazon buying is a guess) or they release another console and get Sega style Dreamcast out of the business.

Bonus info I see the mid gen release of the Nintendo(another winner) NX taking the number 2 spot from MS and giving Sony's PS4 a run.

You asked I answered no need to question me more about this go in a corner and chuckle or hit the laugh button to this post but respect the answer you asked for.
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VaLLiancE said:
Bonus info I see the mid gen release of the Nintendo(another winner) NX taking the number 2 spot from MS and giving Sony's PS4 a run.
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I like how you are pushing the NX and you have no idea what the fvck it is.

Yep, the NX(whatever the fvck it is) will give the ps4(on track to be the highest selling console ever) a run when the ps4 has a 2-3 year headstart.
 
Kvally said:
AFAIK Sony is still in the red as a company overall.
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That's not true either.

They have reported profit for the previous two quarters.


They also have net cash (cash minus debts) of about 1 trillion yen (8.5 billion dollars) as of 30 September 2015.

They are not in the red.
 
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de3d1 said:
I like how you are pushing the NX and you have no idea what the fvck it is.

Yep, the NX(whatever the fvck it is) will give the ps4(on track to be the highest selling console ever) a run when the ps4 has a 2-3 year headstart.
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I thought the xb1 is still the best selling xbox console? That fact means little in the spin of doom and gloom for MS...
 
jimmyD said:
I thought the xb1 is still the best selling xbox console? That fact means little in the spin of doom and gloom for MS...
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The Xbox One selling better than the previous two Xbox consoles is equated to failure. #facts

Speaking of facts....

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Imagine the epic battle of the industry giants next gen though. Sony PlayStation 5 versus Nintendo NX versus, er, Sega Dreamcast 2...
 
I do wonder how much growth potential MS sees with the Xbox overall, yeah it's the fastest selling Xbox to this point but let's not forget the first xbox wasn't exactly a success and the 360 started off with production issues and then ended up having a lot of bad press due to the RROD, it's not like the 360 came out of the gate firing on all cylinders. It took them basically 8 years to sell 80 million consoles, that's a moderate success not a major one, in comparison the second playstation hit 100 million in just over 5 years. They don't seem to be making any progress in parts of the world where they've struggled in the past., hell they aren't even sales leaders in the areas where they were pretty dominant last time around. That doesn't mean they aren't making any money but I just can't imagine they are happy with how things are going right now regardless of what they may say in a press release.
 
Until they support Zune mp3 players via Xbox, there wont be a next console.

I wonder about console growth too at times. Surely some of these video games must be capping out with their budgets by now.

Either way, 2020 is a safe bet.
 
Saying the NX is going to beat up the X1 in sales 2 years before it's even out? Now that's a bold statement.
 
JinCA said:
I do wonder how much growth potential MS sees with the Xbox overall, yeah it's the fastest selling Xbox to this point but let's not forget the first xbox wasn't exactly a success and the 360 started off with production issues and then ended up having a lot of bad press due to the RROD, it's not like the 360 came out of the gate firing on all cylinders. It took them basically 8 years to sell 80 million consoles, that's a moderate success not a major one, in comparison the second playstation hit 100 million in just over 5 years. They don't seem to be making any progress in parts of the world where they've struggled in the past., hell they aren't even sales leaders in the areas where they were pretty dominant last time around. That doesn't mean they aren't making any money but I just can't imagine they are happy with how things are going right now regardless of what they may say in a press release.
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Sounds like a mighty fine innovation motivator to me. That's what we need. Them making efforts to improve in an attempt to woo customers. What we don't need, is for these companies to dominate. Complacency is not what we should want from these companies.

Bellybama said:
Until they support Zune mp3 players via Xbox, there wont be a next console.

I wonder about console growth too at times. Surely some of these video games must be capping out with their budgets by now.

Either way, 2020 is a safe bet.
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I'm not sure costs will increase at the same rate. They are getting closer and closer to methods used in pre-rendered CG, and tools continue to improve and make it easier to get better results faster and more naturally. The introduction of Zbrush/mudbox has skyrocketed model quality, and many things like trees and foliage have software that make it light-years faster to implement. Where you used to have to hand place every element, now they can "just" kinda "Paint" objects into the scene at any level of randomness they chose.
 
Frozpot said:
Sounds like a mighty fine innovation motivator to me. That's what we need. Them making efforts to improve in an attempt to woo customers. What we don't need, is for these companies to dominate. Complacency is not what we should want from these companies.
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Exactly. Each side has gotten cocky at times over the years and gotten slapped for it.

Competition = good. This will make the next Xbox even better, plus Sony will know that they have to improve to maintain as well. Both sides have learned what complacency gets them.
 
de3d1 said:
I like how you are pushing the NX and you have no idea what the fvck it is.

Yep, the NX(whatever the fvck it is) will give the ps4(on track to be the highest selling console ever) a run when the ps4 has a 2-3 year headstart.
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I have said IF Nintendo handles the NX right,but you must of missed it.
 
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