Pachter: Next Xbox and PS5 in 2020

Kassen said:
AMDs desktop APUs don't hold anywhere near 1080p and 60fps. AMD A10 desktop APUs do Battlefield 4 at 1080p @ 28fps average at medium settings through the DX11 API I should have said, but for whatever the reason, that still puts it ahead of Xbox One and has it butting heads with what the PS4 can do despite the DirectX 11 overhead. And the graphics chips on these AMD A10 desktop APUs are running side-by-side with +4.0GHz non-laptop quad-core CPUs and are intentionally designed and priced as entry-level gamer products sold at like $140 MSRP. I don't know whether or not consoles have the better on-chip graphics for APUs, but I know doesn't stomp desktop APUs even with the desktop APUs being heavily CPU-oriented.

I'm not sure what Nintendo is cooking, but if we have AMD A10s floating around, then I think the PS4 can be surpassed if they just downclocked that 4.4GHz down a bit, given Nintendo doesn't go the cheap route again.
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It would be interesting to see BF4 at the console resolutions on the A10 to see how it compared (720p and 900p).

Looking closely at the AMD APU GPUs, they do fall short of the console specs but I imagine that will change this year with a new range. I think Intel took them by surprise by how well their integrated graphics has progressed. They caught them up and surpassed their APUs which they didn't see coming.
 
The NX is already dead. Nintendo have just lost all the 3rd party support.
 
The Wolf King said:
The NX is already dead. Nintendo have just lost all the 3rd party support.
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I'm not sure we can proclaim it dead yet, we haven't even seen it!

The third party support for Wii U is dire and it's hard to see the same burnt publishers flocking back to a Nintendo platform. Remember EA's special partnership? They soon walked away from that.

There is a part of me that is cautious about writing off Nintendo, but that is mainly because of the Wii's success.

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VaLLiancE said:
AGAIN if the PS4 and the NX shared sales from month to month...that would be giving the PS4 a run.
I really don't see what's so hard to understand!?
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You are impossible. You clearly quoted myself and others talking about generational numbers until you realized how dumb it was. Now its about month to month. That's a different conversion, which is a deflection tactic on your part, my little 14 year old nephew does that. I'm not justifying an answer because it was never part of the conversation.

Let's move along then, just shows how immature you still are.
 
Troublegum said:
I'm not sure we can proclaim it dead yet, we haven't even seen it!

The third party support for Wii U is dire and it's hard to see the same burnt publishers flocking back to a Nintendo platform. Remember EA's special partnership? They soon walked away from that.

There is a part of me that is cautious about writing off Nintendo, but that is mainly because of the Wii's success.

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Wow. I was thinking Nintendo did much better numbers over the years.
 
Troublegum said:
I'm not sure we can proclaim it dead yet, we haven't even seen it!

The third party support for Wii U is dire and it's hard to see the same burnt publishers flocking back to a Nintendo platform. Remember EA's special partnership? They soon walked away from that.

There is a part of me that is cautious about writing off Nintendo, but that is mainly because of the Wii's success.

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Something I don't think they will ever repeat. This gen has proven how important 3rd party games are and Nintendo don't have the support.
 
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The Wolf King said:
Something I don't think they will ever repeat. This gen has proven how important 3rd party games are and Nintendo don't have the support.
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Yeah, I don't know where they turn to. All the hardware spaces are crowded.

Between XB1 and PS4 duking it out in the traditional console area and the casual games market swamped with tablets and phones, I can't see where they slot in. Their dedicated handheld business still appeals to children who are not at the right age for an expensive console or tablet/phone but even that is being eroded.

They should put their software on everything and become the biggest game publisher in the world is what I think they should do.
 
de3d1 said:
You are impossible. You clearly quoted myself and others talking about generational numbers until you realized how dumb it was. Now its about month to month. That's a different conversion, which is a deflection tactic on your part, my little 14 year old nephew does that. I'm not justifying an answer because it was never part of the conversation.

Let's move along then, just shows how immature you still are.
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I been beyond clear.
 
To what? Just look at the lack of support the U got from day one.
 
Most likely. For what ever reason Nintendo has burned so many bridges.

The Wii U coming off the highly successful Wii had near to no support right off the bat and that disappeared very quickly.
 
Is the Wii U online robust like XBL and PSN? I have never played a Nintendo online.
 
I hope the NX will be a success. Last Gen shows there was room for three players in the gaming sphere.

I think a part of the Wii U's problem, was that it was too similar, and too different.
 
Troublegum said:
I like how everything a has a code name, even the generic memory chips!

What's the code name for the disc drive, Princess Zelda's slot?
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Peach's Pit.

(Which incidentally is not her ladyparts, but is the name of her sex tape with the star of Kid Icarus.)
 
I can't imagine the NX will have upgrade-able hardware. That would be beyond foolish.

I still feel like coming in at similar spec 2 years into the generation is a bad Idea. They NEED to outperform, IMO. If they don't, then they will just be repeating what they have been doing since the friggin' Wii. If they can do Multiplats @ 1080/60fps when the PS4 is runnin' 1080/30fps, then that would be a very big deal. It would only have to be marginally more powerful too.

I also hope they don't try to re-capture that Wii audience. That ship is long gone. The Wii was literally a fad with the motion controls. The people that bought in to it for that reason (IE Super casuals who bought the "It" thing) won't be reeled in by it again. The gimmick is old hat.
 
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It has to perform better. I agree 100%. Putting a console out that still struggles with 1080p will turn Nintendo into a laughing stock.
 
How many times has upgradable hardware worked out for consoles?
 
VaLLiancE said:
Never but how many times has a $600 console sold 90 million?
With the right brand and marketing anything is possible.
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It didn't sell 90 million at that price, the majority came after they lowered it, which they did very quickly. They dropped the price in a measly 6 months by $100 with the 60gb model. Within a year it had dropped $200 with the 40gb.

Clearly it hurt them, ps2 wiped the floor with ps3 in sales and so will ps4, so it isn't really saying much considering that. Its not like they held strong for a full year at that price, they were scrambling to damage control.
 
Plainview said:
It has to perform better. I agree 100%. Putting a console out that still struggles with 1080p will turn Nintendo into a laughing stock.
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Honestly I'm thinking it will fall somewhere between the PS4 and Xbox 1 in terms of power. I don't see Nintendo releasing a system that surpasses the PS4 in pure graphical capabilities. They really don't have to anyway.
 
The Wolf King said:
Most likely. For what ever reason Nintendo has burned so many bridges.

The Wii U coming off the highly successful Wii had near to no support right off the bat and that disappeared very quickly.
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The mainstream audience will never see the NX as the "hip" place to play core multiplat titles. Nintendo has done too much damage over the past (basically) 20 years for that to change so quickly and this is on top of the fact that the NX is releasing during the peak periods of the Xbox One and PS4's life.

Hardware power isn't going to change this either. Gamecube is the perfect example; Gamecube was more powerful than the PS2 but the PS2 was still the cool place for core gaming since Nintendo was/is "for kids" and low third party games sales = low third party support.

People who think that the NX can actually end up being a great system with a ton of core third party titles need to come back to reality. Nintendo simply needs to focus on making an attractive system that will interest users in buying the console for Nintendo games. The rumors of the NX being an operating system that will run on a Nintendo handheld device and a Nintendo home console device with both devices playing all of the same games is where they need to aim in my opinion (since many people enjoy the 3DS and tying 3DS features/games in with a home console will benefit Nintendo in the home console space). Nintendo needs to focus on banking on what they do well and/or what people like from them.

Competing head on against Xbox and Playstation will get Nintendo nowhere; The NX can still be successful without competing head on and/or matching the sales of the PS4 and Xbox One.
 
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de3d1 said:
It didn't sell 90 million at that price, the majority came after they lowered it, which they did very quickly. They dropped the price in a measly 6 months by $100 with the 60gb model. Within a year it had dropped $200 with the 40gb.

Clearly it hurt them, ps2 wiped the floor with ps3 in sales and so will ps4, so it isn't really saying much considering that. Its not like they held strong for a full year at that price, they were scrambling to damage control.
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It stayed priced higher then the competition and survived and that was the point but it went over your head.

Oh and anyone with a brain knows the ps2 outsold the ps3 because of price.
 
VaLLiancE said:
It stayed priced higher then the competition and survived and that was the point but it went over your head.

Oh and anyone with a brain knows the ps2 outsold the ps3 because of price.
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The point didn't go over my head, it doesn't make sense.

You said with the right brand and marketing anything is possible, then you proceed to point out the worst selling playstation console in history like it was some milestone. You're are talking about surviving, not thriving. Who wants that?
 
de3d1 said:
The point didn't go over my head, it doesn't make sense.

You said with the right brand and marketing anything is possible, then you proceed to point out the worst selling playstation console in history like it was some milestone. You're are talking about surviving, not thriving. Who wants that?
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I wants that if its giving me a good gaming experience like the PS3 did.

We are talking about Nintendo and if anybody can make a upgradable console survive its Nintendo.
 
VaLLiancE said:
I wants that if its giving me a good gaming experience like the PS3 did.

We are talking about Nintendo and if anybody can make a upgradable console survive its Nintendo.
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I don't want Nintendo to just survive, I want them to thrive.
 
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