Pachter: Next Xbox and PS5 in 2020
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Pretty much this.
Something people fail to realize is that Microsoft almost had the winning formula with the X360 last gen. Almost. It pretty much outsold the PS3 for the entire generation.
This was the step in the right direction that they needed in order to capture market share. Microsoft destroyed that early on this gen with the Xb1 and while the system has made improvements at this point it is pretty much a guarantee that it won't outsell the PS4 (globally.)/and on the technical side isn't as powerful.
What I'm saying is that Microsoft has seen that people are willing to buy their console if the the price is right and it is very competitive (with exclusives) and has the right hardware. The lesson was forged in fire with the 360. Hopefully it is clear what they have to do next generation.
Bring out a console that has superior specs to the competition and also bring the games. If a console has that people will buy it in droves. This is what the PS4 has and it is a lesson hopefully they (Microsoft) have now picked up on.
Not sure if that is enough, globally the PlayStation brand is the stronger name. There are some regions that Xbox will never do well in, as much as people downplay the Japanese market it is potentially 8 - 10 million consoles sold if you are leading over there. PlayStation's strength in Europe also cannot be underestimated either, it's a huge advantage.
Sony had a nightmare start with PS3 last gen and even then, as the worst selling PlayStation home console that launched a year later than 360, it still managed to catch up worldwide.
I can only see Xbox winning a console generation if Nintendo and Sony both colossally f*** up beyond recovery and that is unlikely. If that happened, however, the whole console market would be down the s***ter, too.
Ooooh, get me I'm all gutter mouth this evening.
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No the PS3 outsold the XB 360 year to year and both arguably tied by gens end.
Wait, wha?! 360 was top selling console for what?, like, 36 consecutive months in a row? Where doth thou get thou fiction?
MS will have a console more powerful than the best PC money could buy next-gen. Problem is they will once again try pushing the always online spiel.
Next-gen Xbox will be all about that cloud computing.
Yet you were fine with ps3 even though it had less sales than xbox one to this point. You were fine with waiting to see what they had in store, but for some reason the xbox one is a dreamcast? Well, then I guess so was ps3, even more so.
Not only that xbox one has already doubled the TOTAL number of dreamcast consoles EVER...in two years.
Makes no sense to compare it to that failure. It's not even in the same league.
It aint fiction, blud.
You totes confused North American NPD with Global shipping numbers from financial statements innit.
VaL is right.
US, yes. I get it wasnt WW. But come'on. 36 consecutive months? Thats incredible.
Slow down.
I compared the next Xbox to the DC.(if one happens)
MS Xbox future depends on what Nintendo has in store.
Only America matters. You better remember that before President Trump has you executed.
I'm in the UK where we want to ban him from entering our magnificent island, I'm safe.
He is a top tier troll, but I fear the US doesn't get the joke and will accidentally vote him into office.
It will be like the biggest political Rick-roll imaginable.
Except all the Mexicans and Muslims get killed instead of pranked by a terrible eighties pop song.
I can see a scenario where MS decides it's not worth doing another console based on how much money is brought in vs R&D costs and lack of real growth opportunity with the product etc but I don't think they'll be beaten out of the market. I'm not saying that I think there won't be a new xbox it's just that the real money for MS comes from other parts of the company and they could possibly (not probably) decide they should focus more on other areas. When Xbox was originally conceived at MS it was supposed to be a trojan horse for them to come in and take over the living room, that's not really an option anymore since there is so much competition out there for media devices and a lot of TV's are coming with that kind of thing actually built into them already. Sony and Nintendo both need consoles on the market far more than MS does, again I don't think they'll do that I'm just saying I can see why they would.
No way MS abandons Xbox and out side of bulls*** speculation it ignores pretty much all of the smoke signals coming out of Redmond. If anything Xbox has risen in importance. Xbox provides guide posts internally to what many of MS consumer goods have failed to do: create a product that has a rabid, passionate following. If anything Xbox has become a halo (not the game) brand within MS.
Yup, i think the OG Xbox proved that Microsoft can survive anything and is committed to the brand. Much like the N64/GameCube proved the same for Nintendo. Stick with it, and eventually things turn around. 360, Wii, and PS4 are all great successes coming off a down generation. As long as you don't have two bad generations in a row, these companies will be fine.
I would say Sony is the most likely company to be in trouble if they stink it up since the PS division is really the only thing making them money anymore. Microsoft could absolutely fall flat on their face for the next 10 years and still have more money to waste on the Xbox brand. Nintendo would be in trouble if they actually took a risk on hardware and it flopped. But they don't, so they'll continue to print money.
I bet internally at MS the Xbox One is considered a massive success over the 360 so far. It's selling better than the 360, they have not had a massive outlay of money like fixing the RRD, and the margins are better than the 360.
History shows MS consoles constantly improving in sales every generation, but for some crazy reason, the next xbox will sell WORSE than the first xbox? WAT.
All MS has to do is show a games direction and not have a crappy launch. Sony is terrible their first or even second year with exclusives so it wouldn't take much to take a large chunk of the pie. I completely disagree about their games, I think they're much more varied than sony's for sure, but no one looks at that or "scores" or else bloodbourne would have sold 5 million.
Well yeah but not many companies have to deal with issues like that on that scale so if that's the bar you set it's pretty low. As far as the margins who knows? they've had to be very aggressive with price drops, undoubtedly much earlier than planned and they've had to fork out money for new 3rd party games to be given away for free with consoles far more than with any other console that I can remember and that has to cost a pretty penny as well.
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If MS gave up on Xbox next gen in 2019 or 2020 would simply be due to shareholder profit maximization.
The company earns about $20 billion profit per year. Losing a billion here or there on Xbox or Bing or Surface or failed Zune is a drop in the bucket.
There are 8 billion outstanding shares. So every $1 billion swing in profit or loss is about 12 cents EPS. If Xbox division loses $500 million, that's a hit of about 6 cents per share on an annual basis, or about 1.5 cents per quarterly report. it comes down to whether higher management cares enough about this swing in EPS.
If there is no Xbox console centric hardware, I'd can see MS focus attention on an overall console/PC media hub where the whole gaming/social/movie ecosystem comes together. Or no media hub at all. Just hook up your PC to the TV
I know PC games can be played on TVs and Xbox can now be part of W10 integration and such, and some games have cross buy, but there is still a closed system Xbox console that limits what functionality it can do with broad scope PC/entertainment. It has it's own set of features, games, multiplayer etc....
Just a matter if MS wants to make PC/console seemless or always have each other in different ecosystems.
The company earns about $20 billion profit per year. Losing a billion here or there on Xbox or Bing or Surface or failed Zune is a drop in the bucket.
There are 8 billion outstanding shares. So every $1 billion swing in profit or loss is about 12 cents EPS. If Xbox division loses $500 million, that's a hit of about 6 cents per share on an annual basis, or about 1.5 cents per quarterly report. it comes down to whether higher management cares enough about this swing in EPS.
If there is no Xbox console centric hardware, I'd can see MS focus attention on an overall console/PC media hub where the whole gaming/social/movie ecosystem comes together. Or no media hub at all. Just hook up your PC to the TV
I know PC games can be played on TVs and Xbox can now be part of W10 integration and such, and some games have cross buy, but there is still a closed system Xbox console that limits what functionality it can do with broad scope PC/entertainment. It has it's own set of features, games, multiplayer etc....
Just a matter if MS wants to make PC/console seemless or always have each other in different ecosystems.
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