General console meh talk.
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Just google Shrek and you can see the difference mate. Did Splinter Cell ever happen on PS2?
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Splinter Cell. Pic needs to be bigger though i'm having a hard time seeing any difference.
Thanks for that, petal! You made my day!Splinter Cell. Pic needs to be bigger though i'm having a hard time seeing any difference.
Two years ago, I might have went down this road with you, but I won't now. But I'll leave it here. Its crazy hearing someone downplay 3GB of RAM with higher bandwidth though, never thought I hear that from you. Many say the RAM advantage is more important as the GPU.
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I gave reasons I feel the differences won't be major.
If Scorpio eliminated some of the baggage it could have even greater potential.
Scorpio is the most powerful console period.
not seeing that big of a difference pro vs scorpSplinter Cell. Pic needs to be bigger though i'm having a hard time seeing any difference.
The Pro and Scorpio are both just spec increases over the older consoles that's all a new console ever really is. The Pro version of Horizon has better textures, is higher res and several other improvements it's not just CB and calling it a day, BF1 had more improvements other than res as well.
I agree except for the PS2/XB thing, plenty of 3rd party games looked better on XB and they should have it came out later and was more powerful. I remember games like GTA they actually had fingers on the characters vs the oven mitt hands on the PS2 versions.
That'd be the best way to take advantage of it's power too, you'd see the difference in power more that way than just shooting for native 4K and using the little left over for other modest upgrades IMO.
HZD is anaomly, the majority don't do that and even then it's not native 4k despite being only 30fps.
HZD is the beginning... expect even better looking games and to think its not even maxing what Pro and talented devs are capable of.
Keep an eye out on Spiderman and GOW to name a couple.
Yeah, but it also shows the limits of the machine, not even Guerilla could get it running at 60fps at even 1080p with low details. We've seen what the OG ps4 did with gpu grunt to improve performance over XB1, scorpio has that plus much more tricks.
Scorpio wont make a better looking game this year.
Scorpio couldn't achieve 60fps either with HZD.
Tricks? Sony devs are the ones who work miracles with hardware.
I have a bit of doubt that MS devs will put out better looking games than Sony.
If Scorpio beats Pro with visuals...it will likely be the 3rd party offerings.
Surprise me MS
By tricks I mean facts, way more RAM at a higher bandwidth and a faster cpu and gpu. 3rd party games will show differences for sure. Destiny 2, Battlefront 2, RDR2 definitive editions. You can't throw that much more power at some of the best developers in the world and have them ignore it.
The Pro has only been out 5 months, it's the first big Sony exclusive to release where the Pro was actually factored in at all before it's release and they were still able even with a limited amount of time to make an open world game look better than just about any other game regardless of it's size and scope on any platform. You won't see any Scorpio games running at 60 fps that are 30 fps on pro so I don't know why the "30 fps" thing is worth pointing out, sure they got the X1 version of a game that was already designed to run at 60 fps onto the scorpio and add some higher res assets but again it was an Xbox One game not some high end PC game that made it's way to consoles, it's the other way around.
The game was never designed to run at 60 fps in the first place, they always targeted 30 fps. They could have had a 60 fps game that didn't look anywhere near as good but that's not what they wanted. BTW Val is right, there is no way Scorpio could run Horizon ZD at 60 fps either so if you are expecting games that look that good to run at 60 fps on that console you are going to be disappointed.
I'd imagine that Xbox One could run HZD at 900p/30 if the PS4 runs it at 1080/30. According to the article released today by Digital Foundry, Andrew Goosen of MS says he expects Scorpio could be capable of playing 900p/30 OG X1 games at 1080/60.
We'll never know as it's a Sony exclusive but 900p/30 to 1080/60 is a definite possibility according to MS.
It absolutely would run at 60fps at 1080p, no doubt in my mind. I don't buy the idea the it wasn't "designed" to run it 60fps, the machine just isn't capable enough. That just sounds like developer talk to make people better about it.
Don't buy if you don't want but no matter what we think of the quality of some of GG's other projects when it comes to gameplay they've always been on the cutting edge when it comes to console graphics so I'd take their word on it.
60fps on scorpio is actually much more likely at lower resolutions. A few games run at an upgraded 60fps on pro at 1080p, the problem is they are linear or less graphical taxing, but still decent looking games.
-Ps4 has proven that its gpu helped increase performance over xb1
-The boost in cpu while small aims to take even more load off the gpu
-RAM increases help performance, plus massive bandwidth
Having said that, scorpio will see some mainstream games with performance modes at 1080p-1800p at 60fps. Highly likely that pro won't.
I agree. Just like the "effect" of nearly halfing the 1080p resolution of The Order under the lie of making it more "cinematic."
It's kind of a silly thing for him to say, if the game is heavily CPU dependent that won't happen, the CPU didn't get a huge bump the GPU did. I'm sure there are times when that could be the case and obviously the resolution won't be an issue but doubling the framerate is another story and it depends on what the limiting issue was first place.
As far as Horizon yes that game is an exclusive and it's made to work with the PS4 (and Pro) hardware, so that gives the devs more of an advantage than someone who has to build an engine that works on console and PC because they don't have so many targets they have to hit, they can really tweak it to use the available power as best as they can in the time they have vs having to worry about different configurations.
Well do you really think Guerilla would release a statement to pro owners saying "ah yeah, well we tried to hit 60fps, but we didn't have the horsepower." Guerilla is owned by sony, they'll tell you what you want to hear. The truth is HZD could probably hit 60fps at 720p on pro, most anyone would agree with it, thats a ton of resources left over. 1080p however, is not, and thats exactly what scorpio could pull off and what you will see it doing in some cases.
The CPU in the X1 is actually faster than the one in the PS4, only slightly but it is running at a higher clock. There are also games that run slightly better on the X1 than the PS4, it all depends on the developer and also what the bottleneck is in the engine. The GPU in the PS4 has a decent advantage over the one in the X1 (basically the same percentage scorpio has over Pro) but that mainly seems to be used for resolution upgrades, it also has much faster memory than what's in the X1, yes the X1 has that small pool of DRAM but the GDDR5 in the PS4 is 2.5 times faster than the DDR3 in the X1 (PS4 176GBs vs X1 68GBs) The RAM in scorpio is faster than the RAM in the Pro (by 100GBs) but it needs to be if they are going to be targeting native 4K, the higher amount of RAM is probably the bigger deal IMO.
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