General console meh talk.

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Majority XBO quality to 4K isn't better than what the best examples of what the Pro has released and will release.

Non-fake 4K, better textures, better performance modes(lower resolutions). Battlefront 2 will be the best looking, best sounding games, and the best console version will be on scorpio by far. Everything pro does, Scorpio will top.
 
Sure, but they will look the same as XB1/PS4 games just at a higher reso.

Performance will be improved as well, and many will get 4k textures along with the real 4k
 
Nah PS4 games look better than XBO.... So its more like XBO quality @ 4K.

What do you mean quality? ps4 games run at the same settings, just higher resolution, and performance? Are you saying scorpio will match xb1's exact framerate, but at higher resolution? I don't get it.
 
Performance will be improved as well, and many will get 4k textures along with the real 4k

Performance will be improved in CPU limited games sure, but they are not really the majority of games. You either have a choice of 4k or higher frames, you can't pick both when your going from 900/1080 (okay maybe 1080 a little bit). Unless you expect scorpio to some how do less work to render the same pixels?.
 
Performance will be improved in CPU limited games sure, but they are not really the majority of games. You either have a choice of 4k or higher frames, you can't pick both when your going from 900/1080 (okay maybe 1080 a little bit). Unless you expect scorpio to some how do less work to render the same pixels?.

Nope. I think we will see higher fidelity games running at a middle ground resolution at 60fps, not true 4k.
 
Nope. I think we will see higher fidelity games running at a middle ground resolution at 60fps, not true 4k.

Sure thats a compromise that seems like it'd be reasonable and also work, maybe they'll be sensible and go checkerboard 4k.
 
Sure thats a compromise that seems like it'd be reasonable and also work, maybe they'll be sensible and go checkerboard 4k.

That's what I want, options past 1080p. Maybe 1440p-1800p 60fps and 4k with all the bells and whistles.
 
Nope. I think we will see higher fidelity games running at a middle ground resolution at 60fps, not true 4k.
Wait.... 1st you are claiming Scorpio doing true 4K will make the difference than you are saying not true 4K will?
Fake 4K will happen often on the Scorpio.
But yeah expect higher fidelity than Pro(minus exclusives at least initially)
 
Agreed.

It's not about console war crap - it's really about realizing where MS is currently, and how they've responded to such claims in the past. They've always responded in BIG WAYS. It'll be no different here. I can guarantee you the narrative will change from console exclusives to something else entirely -- even though MS has had great exclusives. Gonna be a interesting E3 and following 2017.
And to your point, by MS looking to innovate and push the envelope this is ultimately good for all gamers. Without healthy competition complacency sets in. I would liken this to a championship sports team. If you win the title, why make any roster changes? It isn't until your mantle is threatened that you look to aggressively improve.

The PS4 Pro was a "safe" upgrade, but the Scorpio is looking to push things forward. I expect the PS5 to be a response similar in magnitude to Scorpio's.
 
Wait.... 1st you are claiming Scorpio doing true 4K will make the difference than you are saying not true 4K will?
Fake 4K will happen often on the Scorpio.
But yeah expect higher fidelity than Pro(minus exclusives at least initially)

What? I'm saying we'll get both in many cases, true 4k and checkerboards with better performance.
 
"Xbox Quality" cracks me up every time.

I can guarantee when the scorpio vs pro threads hit from DF and others, people here will downplay the results of YT even though most won't watch it on a true 4k screen. They'll watch at 1440p "ah yeah, looks about the same."
 
The Ram is probably the biggest difference to be honest, going to native 4K is going to eat up a lot of the GPU advantage that Scorpio has over the Pro, the CPU is still "weak" it's just well suited for MS software but it's still only 200mhz faster than the one in the Pro now, don't forget the CPU in the Pro is 500mhz faster than the one in the base PS4 so that's over twice as fast and yet many say it's a modest increase. Most of those "but efficiencies" people are the same ones who were saying it was going to be Ryzen before, they just can't seem to understand these consoles aren't designed around having the best CPU on the market or even a current CPU, they get the most they can out of the cheapest one that'll work for the set up and then focus more on the GPU which is 100% the right thing to do IMO.

The PS4 Pro's CPU is pretty much a straight upclock, Cerny pretty much said so himself that they didn't want to make customizations to the CPU because they didn't think they could keep compatibility that way.

The Scorpio's CPU was not a mere upclock; there were definite redesigns. A lot of it was just support for additional bandwidth of the GDDR5, but they also literally profiled every XBox One game and iterated on the CPU/GPU design against those shipped games to identify additional bottlenecks that they could mitigate.
 
PS4 and XBO have virtually the same CPU.
Scorpio and Pro also have virtually the same CPU.

Wrong, but you know that.

Exclusives on Scorpio will be held back due to the XBO.
No spinning in the world will get me 2 see this differently (I am not accusing you of the spinning)

Yes, because developers have never been able to make a game that plays at any graphical/performance setting other than the lowest device they support, and because MS has no experience whatsoever with developing an operating system or a graphics platform that can allow developers to target multiple devices. :txbrolleyes:
 
So, Sony doesn't have a single 4K first party game?

No, but to be fair, it's not like Sony's reputation is for getting the most out of their hardware from their first parties or anything like that.
 
Wrong, but you know that.



Yes, because developers have never been able to make a game that plays at any graphical/performance setting other than the lowest device they support, and because MS has no experience whatsoever with developing an operating system or a graphics platform that can allow developers to target multiple devices. :txbrolleyes:
same CPU although very slight speed improvement

Next
 
The PS4 Pro's CPU is pretty much a straight upclock, Cerny pretty much said so himself that they didn't want to make customizations to the CPU because they didn't think they could keep compatibility that way.

The Scorpio's CPU was not a mere upclock; there were definite redesigns. A lot of it was just support for additional bandwidth of the GDDR5, but they also literally profiled every XBox One game and iterated on the CPU/GPU design against those shipped games to identify additional bottlenecks that they could mitigate.

the spin is real lmmfao!

1st its Jaguar is weak theirs no way it will be in Scorpio! Scorpio will use Ryzen!
Others warned that Jaguar would be used but people were in denial.

Reality time...(the weak ass)Jaguar is in fact the CPU and it's slightly faster than the Pro version(hence the same bottlenecks) but but this one has DX 12 built into the chip!

The denial and spin is REAL
 
Reality time...(the weak ass)Jaguar is in fact the CPU and it's slightly faster than the Pro version(hence the same bottlenecks) but but this one has DX 12 built into the chip!
Digital foundry seems to think it's not the same CPU. Their writer has the actual SOC in his possession. Perhaps you can show us yours, or kindly shut the f*** up.
 
So I been throwing predictions about PS4 Pro winning best graphics(going by overall choices)
Anybody wanna step and say it won't happen and that Scorpio will get the most honors in this area for 2017?
 
Digital foundry seems to think it's not the same CPU. Their writer has the actual SOC in his possession. Perhaps you can show us yours, or kindly shut the f*** up.
haha you are mad
Digital Foundry sounded like a late night infomercial with there EXCLUSIVE (ching ching) showing. Jaguar is a dud of a CPU no matter how you spin it.
 
So I been throwing predictions about PS4 Pro winning best graphics(going by overall choices)
Anybody wanna step and say it won't happen and that Scorpio will get the most honors in this area for 2017?
It should be the PS4 Pro for 2017. For 2018 it should be the Scorpio.
 
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