General console meh talk.
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With the Elite, Controllers have reached a Zenith. Any real changes will come in the VR space, as the main form factor hasn't changed in a couple generations. Any more specific in function, and you start getting into secondary peripheral territory. If Sony and MS were smart, they'd release all controllers with the paddles.
This thread sucks. I'm just going to assume it's console war nonsense going by the title and then give my two cents.
PS4 has the best single player exclusives. Xbox has the best multiplayer exclusives. Both are great for multiplat games. Online service is about the same on both at the end of the day. DS4 is better than Xbox One basic controller simply because it made more improvements. Elite controller is the best controller this gen. Wii U has more exclusives than PS4/X1 combined. Don't believe me, here you go.
PS4 has the best single player exclusives. Xbox has the best multiplayer exclusives. Both are great for multiplat games. Online service is about the same on both at the end of the day. DS4 is better than Xbox One basic controller simply because it made more improvements. Elite controller is the best controller this gen. Wii U has more exclusives than PS4/X1 combined. Don't believe me, here you go.
Didn't watch the whole thing, so maybe he addressed the fact that if you only were able to get one of those systems, few to none of those games on th XBone or PS4 lists are even available for the WiiU.
And that's the issue with Nintendo. Having those exclusives isn't much of a boon if you have only the WiiU. Every third party game becomes an exclusive to other platforms as far as you would be concerned.
Yup, that was the point of the post. That every console has it's purpose and that a PS4/Wii U combo or Xbox One/Wii U combo is vastly more ideal than a PS4/Xbox One combo. Everyone keeps arguing which is better when they're both the same at the end of the day.
At the end of the video he said the truest thing i've ever heard - "So which console do you buy? The answer is as simple as it is obvious, you buy the one that has the games you want to play". People need to get over it, lol.
Exactly.
It's like our family way back focusing on Intellivision. Atari 2600 had way more games (probably like 5x more), had all the well known arcade games like Pacman and was $100 cheaper.
Our family paid a bit more but got a system with fewer games (there were only around 120 games released and we had about half of them), but mostly unique games that were more complex and higher quality.
For us, our gaming in like 1982 was Intellivision battles with friends and family. And if any of us wanted to play those well known games 2600 had, we went to the arcade to play Donkey Kong or Galaxian... or one of my favs Galaga..... almost rolled over the score at 999,999.
Then we got an Apple II in maybe 1983 and played a combo of Intelly for quick hits, and Apple for (at the time) slow paced games like old ass RPGs, which were very detailed (for its time).
I still find it strange when grown men act like children when it comes to gaming. "My console the bezt!" "No your console has no gamez!"
Great time to be a gamer just enjoy what we get from all companies.
Great time to be a gamer just enjoy what we get from all companies.
Of course MS employees say it's not appropriate to call it that but that, they know too many people online raised their expectations talking themselves into all that Ryzen nonsense and don't want them to be disappointed. Clearly it's better than an off the shelf jaguar would be I'm not saying it's not, it is highly customized and it will do more than a standard jaguar would but at the end of the day it's still going to have shortcomings because jaguar based. Again NEITHER console uses a straight up jaguar or an off of the shelf GPU, they both customize these things.
Same thing with seeing new games you couldn't play before, now all games have to work on all platforms so we won't see a console with a pretty new game we couldn't play anywhere else. We will just see a prettier version of a game we can play on a machine we already have.
For sure.
BTW, I saw you online BF1. One of these days, let's join up! Unlike CoD, where I focus on TDM, I'll play any mode in BF1 even if I suck at the game.
In this day and age, I don't think gamers care that much about true exclusives (one platform, no backwards compatibility with old gens). Maybe during the Sonic and Mario heydays it was a battle of mascots and corporate figureheads.
If people cared that much, every Ninty system should automatically default to best selling system since Mario and Zelda are Ninty exclusives and are among the most popular franchises out there. Yet despite these games selling probably 10 million + every time, system sales for Ninty can be hit and miss since they don't have the overall gaming library or online features. Ninty systems are always at the cheaper end too, but even with a price advantage still has trouble.
The most popular game franchises that sell the most, played the most, and have been annual or bi-annual games are all the same stuff we've played for 10+ years. Shooters, EA Sports, GT/Forza racing games, at some point R* will release another GTA etc....
If corporations really cared that much, they would be spewing out tons of unique first party exclusive games like the old days. Instead, they focus money on marketing deals, and have been shutting down internal studios.
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It's not a case of exclusives don't matter, but more of which games do you want. In Ninty's case, you better only like exclusives.
For the others, I will say that I will always go with where I can get Forza and Halo first. I usually end up with both. I usually skip Ninty just because Mario and Zelda arent enough for me (need more I care about).
That's fine though if people prefer Nintendo's or Sonys offerings. Of course, I'm not into the War, myself...
Doesn't surprise me really.
People have murdered, or even gone to war over more idiotic allegiances.
There was a guy in Russia not long ago that killed his friend because his buddy liked AMD over Nvidia.
Point is everybody has a favorite, but it shouldn't drive you into fanaticism and intolerance. All 3 consoles have a place, and thank god for that.
Variety breeds competition, and competition breeds innovation. I'm sure that if Sony hadn't released the PS4 Pro, Microsoft probably would have road it out till next generation before they released another system.
Everybody needs variety. I know I'd stop watching porn if it was just granny stuff.
It's really no different than anything really . The motorcycle forum I'm a member of is 10 times worse than here with the VS crap. Truck forums are the same way with Chevy and Ford . Grown man getting to the point of threatening lives over which brand is better . Personal Passion definitely runs deep . Heh
And I have said, again and again and now I'm saying yet again, Digital Foundry details that MS did extensive performance profiling on every shipped game and used that information when they were redesigning the SOC, which includes the CPU.
You keep making the pointless assertion that the Pro and Scorpio are both using non-off the shelf technology. That's not in doubt. What you appear to be unable to acknowledge is that the CPU in the Pro is essentially a straight upclock from the one in the PS4, at least based on what Cerny said, and that the CPU in Scorpio is a redesign of the one in the XB1 and XB1s, according to everything DF has said.
People just like to make it all about one thing. Whether its price, power, exclusives, or whatever. What causes one system to do better than another is never that simple.
I'm just saying as an Xbox leaning forum this place went from exclusives being the dominating topic to power once Scorpio got announced and PS4 started having more games.
They took a jaguar and made different changes to it than they did before but the base for this thing is STILL a jaguar, a highly customized jaguar yes but it's still going to be the weak point in the hardware and that's 100% ok, all it has to do is run Xbox One level games with higher levels of fidelity it's not a new generation. If you are expecting a huge increase in what the CPU can do over the one in the Pro you'll probably be disappointed, they both started out as the same thing before changes were made to them and the one in the Scorpio is only 200mhz faster. Both companies will make their products based around the specs of the machine they are working on, MS has a total hardware advantage with Scorpio there is no doubt about that, having the talent to take advantage of it in a game is another story. As far as the CPU in the pro it is customized, the one in the standard PS4 is customized so even if it is "just an up clock" it's still a customized CPU and they have been coding around what it has been made to do the entire time.
I think it's possible that the extra layer of cpu customization over pro and the speed bump combined could make it more capable than expected. Sort of sets it apart from the XB1 vs PS4 cpu comparison, Scorpio actually has a slight two way cpu advantage here.
Not sure why you are so hard stanced on this Jaguar CPU thing.
We get it. You are always trying to downplay MS stuff. And right now the biggest thing you have to downplay Scorpio is the CPU. Even if it's a modified Jaguar, so what? It's better than any console CPU, and you totally ignore all the other specs which help the system.
You keep harping on the whole "it's only 200 mhz more", as if the CPU is the same as before and the rest of the specs are the same as current gen.
Now if Scorpio's specs were the exact same as current gen system, but the only difference is the same CPU, but upclocked 200 mhz, then I would agree with you.
But nice try at trying to downplay Scorpio.
That's like saying a PC won't be better if you give it a slightly better CPU, more ram, a better GPU and more bandwidth. Just because the CPU (assuming it really is just a tweaked Jag) is only modestly improved, doesn't mean the whole system comes to a crashing halt.
Where were you in the PS4 Pro threads downplaying PS4 Pro since its specs are much more modestly improved over PS4.
Do grown ass men fight with each other about being a boob guy or butt guy? Cause that's what "my console is better than yours" is like. Good news is that the gaming market is healthier and provides more options and a better value than ever before. So back to the analogy...plenty of boobs and butts for everyone.
Even if you were actively researching which console is right for you, list wars is an outdated way to do it. With games as a service and other games with really high replayability, nobody is running out of stuff to do on Xbox or PlayStation. I have no regrets about my PlayStation Pro purchase however I'd still take Halo 5's multiplayer over the entire PlayStation exclusive lineup. I keep hearing how Xbox has no games in 2017 but all 4 of their biggest releases are meant to be super time-sinks. You really only need to like one or two games of the 8 biggest things launching in 2017 to stay really busy.
Which transitions us to why it's important to break the traditional generations. The industry will collapse under the current model of big budget mega million dollar games under the old model of eccentric, unique console architectures coming out and breaking user-bases every few years. Only way for these big publishers to keep giving the goods is keep the userbase together as much as possible and make development on consoles as close to PC development as possible. Basically developers can make one game on a highly scalable game engine and port/scale down to different PC configurations...which consoles are. Ironically the only secret sauce of the Scorpio is that there is no true secret sauce other than it's making life easier for developers to target the platform and giving them lots of RAM to play with.
Final aside....It's great that my Xbox One friends will be playing Halo 6 with me even if they don't buy Scorpios and save their money for a PS5. That's far more important than 343 focusing on Scorpio secret sauce and potentially squeezing an ounce of extra performance from it by segmenting the base. Still miss some of my 360 buddies who skipped on Xbox One for PS4...and there's nothing about Halo 5's arena that couldn't be scaled down to run on Xbox 360...which is a 12 year old console.
Even if you were actively researching which console is right for you, list wars is an outdated way to do it. With games as a service and other games with really high replayability, nobody is running out of stuff to do on Xbox or PlayStation. I have no regrets about my PlayStation Pro purchase however I'd still take Halo 5's multiplayer over the entire PlayStation exclusive lineup. I keep hearing how Xbox has no games in 2017 but all 4 of their biggest releases are meant to be super time-sinks. You really only need to like one or two games of the 8 biggest things launching in 2017 to stay really busy.
Which transitions us to why it's important to break the traditional generations. The industry will collapse under the current model of big budget mega million dollar games under the old model of eccentric, unique console architectures coming out and breaking user-bases every few years. Only way for these big publishers to keep giving the goods is keep the userbase together as much as possible and make development on consoles as close to PC development as possible. Basically developers can make one game on a highly scalable game engine and port/scale down to different PC configurations...which consoles are. Ironically the only secret sauce of the Scorpio is that there is no true secret sauce other than it's making life easier for developers to target the platform and giving them lots of RAM to play with.
Final aside....It's great that my Xbox One friends will be playing Halo 6 with me even if they don't buy Scorpios and save their money for a PS5. That's far more important than 343 focusing on Scorpio secret sauce and potentially squeezing an ounce of extra performance from it by segmenting the base. Still miss some of my 360 buddies who skipped on Xbox One for PS4...and there's nothing about Halo 5's arena that couldn't be scaled down to run on Xbox 360...which is a 12 year old console.
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You are clearly missing the point.
The CPU in XB1 and the CPU in PS4 were very similar.
The PS4Pro is a straight upclock (well, plus die shrink) because Cerny was afraid they couldn't be compatible otherwise.
The CPU in scorpio was literally redesigned from the XB1 to address issues in the Jaguar architecture that caused bottlenecks, based on actual performance captures from actual shipped games.
DF doesn't even refer to it as a Jaguar CPU - they say 8 custom x86 cores. DF has the CPU. MS says it's not a Jaguar. They built the CPU. You say it is a Jaguar - pics or it didn't happen.
We are done with this, I got what you were saying the first time you said it I'm not missing anything. You seem to not understand that no matter how customized the chip is it still started out as a jaguar and will still be the weak link in the hardware. That doesn't mean it's going to hurt the hardware, it's not a bad thing that it is what it is. You can reply to this if you want but I won't be taking part in this particular convo anymore, we've gone around in circles enough.
I don't think anyone is thinking the "custom" cpu is something 10x better. By the sounds of it, it's better in terms of processing and an upclock.
I don't get why Jinca keeps downplaying Scorpio "it's only 200 mhz faster". It's not like the rest of the system has the same specs as a current gen system. Bandwidth is better, more ram, faster ram, better gpu.
If I have an average spec PC, and the only thing I change is to a better gpu (I keep everything else the exact same), I'm sure there will be improvements of some sort. And that's just solely the gpu.
Now if I take that avg PC, put in a modestly better cpu, more/ and faster system ram, and a better gpu, pretty sure the output will be a decent improvement. I'm not saying it'll transform a decent PC into a i11 16-core cpu with a Titan XXX gpu with HBM4 space-age ram, but it should still be a good bump.
Yet Jinca keeps downplaying Scorpio like they system specs leads to nothing. Yet, PS4 Pro with modest improvements vs. PS4 already shows a good bump in visuals and res. But somehow Scorpio can't do it?
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