Analyst predicts PS5 in 2018

Frozpot said:
Nah, I bet it's 2020. PS4 is still selling like hotcakes. Maybe late 2019, which would put updates every three years. I still think three years is too close. Four is the sweet spot, imo. It gives each iteration room to breathe while allowing tech to advance enough.

A lot will ride on the reception of Pro/Scorpio.
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Scorpio will likely give MS a short term boost but a lot of that will depend on pricing, if that thing is $500 or over it really will only attract the enthusiast gamers who are ride or die Xbox fans. Given it's specs on paper I want one too but I won't pay $500 for it, if it's over $399 I'll wait until it comes down to that price. I already have a Pro and MS exclusives don't interest me in the least, from what Spencer said the other day they are going to be investing more in 1st party but it sounds like that investment is geared more towards MP games which aren't usually my thing either. I also think some here especially are acting like it's a replacement for the Xbox One and it's not it's an extension of it. Spencer even says the X1s will be the best selling console in the Xbox family for years to come so they don't expect Scorpio to be like a new gen launch.

I have no doubt 3rd party games will look better on Scorpio to some degree than they do on the Pro, they should given the extra memory and GPU power but if it's price is so high that it puts it out of range and it doesn't come down quickly they run the risk of Sony announcing another console that eclipses the Scorpio in power and people like me will just wait for that. After all that's what MS tried to do to Sony by announcing the Scorpio a year and a half before it was going to be available, they just wanted to take away as much hype from the Pro as they could, it was a smart move but it's not like they are the only ones that can do that.
 
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de3d1 said:
So which is it now? Am I a troll or afraid to confront the argument?
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Trolling and being too afraid to confront the argument aren't opposites. They go hand-in-hand. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I gave my example for why a year difference in release date won't make the Xbox Two more powerful than the PS5. Either attack the argument or go home.
 
Kassen said:
Trolling and being too afraid to confront the argument aren't opposites. They go hand-in-hand. This is exactly what I'm talking about. I gave my example for why a year difference in release date won't make the Xbox Two more powerful than the PS5. Either attack the argument or go home.
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Kassen said:
You missed the point tho. The Xbox One was really weak compared to the ps4 despite being released at the same time. The ps3 was weaker than the Xbox 360 despite being released a year later. A year difference doesn't hold much significance, especially now that Moore's Law has finally been broken.
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Again, when has xbox had full year headstart and released a weaker/equal console? Even your Xbox One example holds no water, a year and a couple of months isn't the same. Are you confused about the release dates or should I google for you? The same timeframe does not equal one year difference.

Your whole argument is just bizarre and all over the place with casting reels, calling out the whole forum for god knows what. You rarely make sense to begin with, yet its always "someone elses" problem. That's how criminals, delusional, and friendless people operate.
 
PS3 was more powerful than Xbox 360 but most 3rd party games were built with the easy to develop for 360 in mind...hence most 3rd party games having the advantage over PS3.
 
de3d1 said:
Again, when has xbox had full year headstart and released a weaker/equal console? Even your Xbox One example holds no water, a year and a couple of months isn't the same. Are you confused about the release dates or should I google for you? The same timeframe does not equal one year difference.

Your whole argument is just bizarre and all over the place with casting reels, calling out the whole forum for god knows what. You rarely make sense to begin with, yet its always "someone elses" problem. That's how criminals, delusional, and friendless people operate.
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Same time frame not to equal one year difference? Then why was the Xbox One a whole two years behind in terms of horsepower when compared to the ps4? 40% performance difference was the average two year tick-tock cycle for Global Foundries back then in 2013.
 
Here's how long a "tick-tock" cycle is now. Five years. From 2011 to 2016, from the Radeon HD 7970 to the Radeon 480GTX. we were stuck on 28nm technology. There is a one in five chance a "one year difference" will result in anything but a small incremental power boost, assuming they don't pull an Xbox One and gimp the horsepower by 40%.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5261/amd-radeon-hd-7970-review
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3077...ll-bring-high-end-graphics-to-the-masses.html

"not only is it (the HD 7970) the first video card based on a 28nm GPU, but it’s the first member of the Southern Islands and by extension the first video card to implement GCN."
" the massive performance leap (of the RX 480) stems from the adoption of 14nm FinFET technology in Polaris"
 
Kassen said:
Same time frame not to equal one year difference? Then why was the Xbox One a whole two years behind in terms of horsepower when compared to the ps4? 40% performance difference was the average two year tick-tock cycle for Global Foundries back then in 2013.
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So what happened with Scorpio over ps4 pro, faster cpu, 43% more gpu, and more RAM with a one year difference. Xbox one vs ps4 is a two year difference at 40%? So you are basically saying Scorpio is ahead of the curve by one year if this were 2013 standards.

Also, those articles are complete trash for your argument, just random links you were hoping I wouldn't read that do not relate directly these consoles, especially when taken as a whole beyond gpu power.
 
de3d1 said:
So what happened with Scorpio over ps4 pro, faster cpu, 43% more gpu, and more RAM with a one year difference. Xbox one vs ps4 is a two year difference at 40%? So you are basically saying Scorpio is ahead of the curve by one year if this were 2013 standards.

Also, those articles are complete trash for your argument, just random links you were hoping I wouldn't read that do not relate directly these consoles, especially when taken as a whole beyond gpu power.
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What happened is Microsoft simply chose to make the Xbox Scorpio 40% more powerful, just like how they chose to make the Xbox One 40% weaker than the PS4. It's a design choice. Because there is no power boost between 2016 and 2017. We aren't getting a new "tick" for a few more years.
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Kassen said:
What happened is Microsoft simply chose to make the Xbox Scorpio 40% more powerful, just like how they chose to make the Xbox One 40% weaker than the PS4. It's a design choice. Because there is no power boost between 2016 and 2017. We aren't getting a new "tick" for a few more years.
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MS's strategy to include a Kinect in every box was idiotic, they had to work around pricing a lot more than Sony did, that's why they ended up with a weaker GPU and ended up having to include DRAM to try to make up for using slower main memory and still came in at $100 over on price. You are right, there was nothing stopping them from making the X1 as powerful as the PS4 other than them getting in their own way. Sony planned better and was also maybe a little lucky with the way the RAM set up worked out but at the end of the day they had a flexible strategy from the start and MS stuck with a really bad one that they still haven't completely recovered from.
 
de3d1 said:
So what happened with Scorpio over ps4 pro, faster cpu, 43% more gpu, and more RAM with a one year difference. Xbox one vs ps4 is a two year difference at 40%? So you are basically saying Scorpio is ahead of the curve by one year if this were 2013 standards.

Also, those articles are complete trash for your argument, just random links you were hoping I wouldn't read that do not relate directly these consoles, especially when taken as a whole beyond gpu power.
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The PS4 had a 40% GPU advantage over the X1 and they launched in the same year. Scorpio has basically the same GPU advantage over the Pro while launching a year later, clearly tech isn't moving at the pace it used to and cost is also more of a concern than in generations past.
 
JinCA said:
MS's strategy to include a Kinect in every box was idiotic, they had to work around pricing a lot more than Sony did, that's why they ended up with a weaker GPU and ended up having to include DRAM to try to make up for using slower main memory and still came in at $100 over on price. You are right, there was nothing stopping them from making the X1 as powerful as the PS4 other than them getting in their own way. Sony planned better and was also maybe a little lucky with the way the RAM set up worked out but at the end of the day they had a flexible strategy from the start and MS stuck with a really bad one that they still haven't completely recovered from.
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Yeah, Microsoft nearly got banned from Germany bcuz their anti consumer and anti privacy issues were of the charts. How bad is it when a country threatens to ban you bcuz your products remind them of Hitler lol
 
Kassen said:
What happened is Microsoft simply chose to make the Xbox Scorpio 40% more powerful, just like how they chose to make the Xbox One 40% weaker than the PS4. It's a design choice. Because there is no power boost between 2016 and 2017. We aren't getting a new "tick" for a few more years.
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You just said ps4 was two years ahead of xb1 at 40%, now with a 43% increase, scorpio is not two years ahead?
 
JinCA said:
The PS4 had a 40% GPU advantage over the X1 and they launched in the same year. Scorpio has basically the same GPU advantage over the Pro while launching a year later, clearly tech isn't moving at the pace it used to and cost is also more of a concern than in generations past.
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Pretty simple, MS went cheap on hardware and tried to squeeze in kinect. I doubt they'll ever make the underpowered mistake again, they caught a huge amount of flack. I think Xbox 360 was even more impressive, came out a year earlier and still had a better gpu than ps3.
 
de3d1 said:
Pretty simple, MS went cheap on hardware and tried to squeeze in kinect. I doubt they'll ever make the underpowered mistake again, they caught a huge amount of flack. I think Xbox 360 was even more impressive, came out a year earlier and still had a better gpu than ps3.
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PS3 originally wasn't going to include a GPU so that's really why that happened, it was thrown in last minute but technically the PS3 was the more powerful console, they just made it so hard to get to that power that most devs couldn't spare the resources to do it, especially when the 360 was so much easier to develop for.
 
Never going to happen the pro will make the extend the ps 4 life cycle, NOW IF THE XBOX SCOPICO is a true beast and blows ps 4 away then sony might launch ps5 sooner
 
de3d1 said:
You just said ps4 was two years ahead of xb1 at 40%, now with a 43% increase, scorpio is not two years ahead?
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No, it was just explained that way to you bcuz I couldn't get you to wrap your head around it any other way. Point is, unless the Xbox Two gets delayed to 2021, the Xbox Two will be built off of the same level of technology as the ps5.
 
JinCA said:
Scorpio will likely give MS a short term boost but a lot of that will depend on pricing, if that thing is $500 or over it really will only attract the enthusiast gamers who are ride or die Xbox fans. Given it's specs on paper I want one too but I won't pay $500 for it, if it's over $399 I'll wait until it comes down to that price. I already have a Pro and MS exclusives don't interest me in the least, from what Spencer said the other day they are going to be investing more in 1st party but it sounds like that investment is geared more towards MP games which aren't usually my thing either. I also think some here especially are acting like it's a replacement for the Xbox One and it's not it's an extension of it. Spencer even says the X1s will be the best selling console in the Xbox family for years to come so they don't expect Scorpio to be like a new gen launch.

I have no doubt 3rd party games will look better on Scorpio to some degree than they do on the Pro, they should given the extra memory and GPU power but if it's price is so high that it puts it out of range and it doesn't come down quickly they run the risk of Sony announcing another console that eclipses the Scorpio in power and people like me will just wait for that. After all that's what MS tried to do to Sony by announcing the Scorpio a year and a half before it was going to be available, they just wanted to take away as much hype from the Pro as they could, it was a smart move but it's not like they are the only ones that can do that.
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I agree with that. Doesn't change the fact that releasing a new console next year is far too unlikely to be writing articles about it.
 
JinCA said:
PS3 originally wasn't going to include a GPU so that's really why that happened, it was thrown in last minute but technically the PS3 was the more powerful console, they just made it so hard to get to that power that most devs couldn't spare the resources to do it, especially when the 360 was so much easier to develop for.
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All I can say is it needed a real gpu.
 
Kassen said:
No, it was just explained that way to you bcuz I couldn't get you to wrap your head around it any other way. Point is, unless the Xbox Two gets delayed to 2021, the Xbox Two will be built off of the same level of technology as the ps5.
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And it'll be more powerful, same when ps5.5 comes along after that and so on.
 
de3d1 said:
And it'll be more powerful, same when ps5.5 comes along after that and so on.
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I just got done explaining why that's nonsense... Being released a year later won't make the Xbox Two more powerful than the PS5...
 
Frozpot said:
I agree with that. Doesn't change the fact that releasing a new console next year is far too unlikely to be writing articles about it.
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Yeah I don't think it'll happen either.
 
de3d1 said:
All I can say is it needed a real gpu.
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It had a real gpu it just wasn't originally designed to have one and they ended up going with the best cheapest option they could, they made a lot of mistakes with the PS3, funnily enough Sony still caught up and basically tied the 360 in global sales even coming out a year later. Now when it comes to making money with it, that's another story, they were way behind in that lol.
 
Kassen said:
I just got done explaining why that's nonsense... Being released a year later won't make the Xbox Two more powerful than the PS5...
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Ok, since we've gotten all the weird system specs like ps3 out of the way, I'll bet on MS and Sony engineers to evolve the technology going forward, not random forum guys.

Oh and Scorpio is a year later than Pro, what happened there?
 
de3d1 said:
Ok, since we've gotten all the weird system specs like ps3 out of the way, I'll bet on MS and Sony engineers to evolve the technology going forward, not random forum guys.

Oh and Scorpio is a year later than Pro, what happened there?
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I already explained why Scorpio is faster. Scorpio is going to be on the same transistor node as the ps4 pro. The Scorpio is faster than the ps4 pro for the same literal reason the 1070 is faster than the 1060. 7nm is the next node, and it's not coming until 2020. You are just in denial at this point.
 
Kassen said:
I already explained why Scorpio is faster. Scorpio is going to be on the same transistor node as the ps4 pro. The Scorpio is faster than the ps4 pro for the same literal reason the 1070 is faster than the 1060. 7nm is the next node, and it's not coming until 2020. You are just in denial at this point.
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I just think you have no idea what you're talking about. No console releasing from now forward will be weaker or equal(especially with a year to improve) to the previous, that's not how it works and you've done a terrible job of proving otherwise with random links from 2011.
 
VaLLiancE said:
PS4 has over a 40% power advantage to the XBO.
Scorpio Has the same power advantage to Pro.
Not higher.
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Exactly the same huh? Exactly? That's very strange that it's the exact same difference, not even a few % difference either way? Hm.

Either way what can't be argued is the massive RAM difference and cpu bump, ps4 didn't have that over xb1.
 
Kassen said:
I already explained why Scorpio is faster. Scorpio is going to be on the same transistor node as the ps4 pro. The Scorpio is faster than the ps4 pro for the same literal reason the 1070 is faster than the 1060. 7nm is the next node, and it's not coming until 2020. You are just in denial at this point.
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Your argument would be sound, if which fab was used for the dye were the only deciding factor in the power of a chip. But its not.

This post is WRONG.
 
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