As a Pro buyer, I'd be a little miffed if the 5 hit so soon....
but I'd probably buy it day 1 anyway.
but I'd probably buy it day 1 anyway.
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This is the difference between 2016 and 2017. A 5% difference with the enhanced architecture. If you are griping because I ignored that tiny difference, then power to you. The Xbox Scorpio is more powerful than the PS4 Pro only bcuz Microsoft upped the wattage on their hardware.
You are living in a lie. Again, here's the difference between 2016 and 2017. TDP is nearly identical. Xbox Scorpio is getting its power boost by upping the wattage and thermal output.
This is the difference between 2016 and 2017. A 5% difference with the enhanced architecture. If you are griping because I ignored that tiny difference, then power to you. The Xbox Scorpio is more powerful than the PS4 Pro only bcuz Microsoft upped the wattage on their hardware.
Tiny differences can make all the difference though.
Half truths and random graphs, its your thing.
Tiny 5% difference did not make the Xbox Scorpio 40% more powerful. You have indisputable evidence that the Scorpio's teraflop performance is not a result of a year's difference in architectural advancement. You need to drop that if you aren't a shameless troll.
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Both exhibit a roughly 40+% difference
Its significant just like its been with PS4 and XBO.
The CPU is only 200mhz faster, the ram is the bigger deal and again if they are going for native 4K they need that extra faster RAM, the Pro isn't going for native 4K so not having it isn't all that big of a deal. It would be nice to have it yes but I can't look at a game that looks as good as Horizon ZD on the Pro and think "if only it had more RAM" the textures look great and the LOD is some of the best I've seen on a console even with much more detail than most console games have.
Clearly a PS5 or next iteration of the PS4 would need more than RAM than Scorpio has, they'd be going for native 4K as well and they'd have a better GPU/CPU so they'd be able to push things even further, I doubt 8GB of usable RAM would be enough.
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I think the cpu slight bump in speed and customization could add up.
I'm just as excited about the checkerboard solutions and using that gpu power for extras with scorpio, but then again seeing a game like BF1 in 4k maxed shows HZD technical limitations.
Scorpio is more powerful because prices drop every year on parts, a Scorpio released in 2016 would cost more than 2017, as would a pro released in 2015 vs 2016. Simple. It's about cost effectiveness. In 2020 10TF gpu's will be more affordable and so on.
Don't forget HZD is an open world game that also had to run on a standard PS4. I doubt you'll be seeing BF1 in native 4K maxed on scorpio. I think you are expecting too much from the customization, the CPU's in the PS4/Pro aren't off the shelf jaguars either.
I suspect the main reason MS is talking up the CPU changes so much is because too many people had unrealistic expectations about it being a higher end CPU and they didn't want a lot of backlash from that. Now those same people who were saying it was going to be Ryzen have moved on to saying "but highly customized" as opposed to just accepting that the CPU is going to be a limiting factor and that's fine because this thing really is meant to be a beefed up Xbox One not a new gen console.
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I didn't say scorpio will max out BF2, but even if it gets close that'll be something. The added cpu customization over pro and slight speed combined could be a nice bump, I'm not saying it's a crazy difference
Do you buy gpus in the bulk of millions? Prices constantly change when you buy in massive quantities. That's how business works. Your price isn't the same as someone who buys millions, try again.
EDIT: You just proved you have no idea how things work on a basic level. You'll be my first ignore since being on union.
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Its 200mhz per core but still the same CPU which is subpar.
But..
CPU might not be much of a issue as with higher resolutions the GPU does more of the work,especially in newer titles.
Oh yeah I get that, it's basically the same thing with the other consoles, people complained about the CPU's left and right but we have amazing looking games on them anyway.
Yeah, price changes greatly depending on how much bulk you buy, but you were arguing price changes greatly based on the year. And that's a lie. Bulk buying in 2017 isn't 40% cheaper than bulk buying in 2016, you moron.
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So half a TF is exactly the same as two TF now? I'm sure you can do the same things with that half as two... That's the problem with using percentages. It's a misleading comparison. Add in more bandwith and RAM, as well as form-fit hardware designed to take the load off the CPU. Yeah...
The PS5 will be out in 2019. No rush for Sony. Like they say, the generation starts when they say it starts. Microsoft can take all the half measures they want and claim Scorpio isn't a next gen console. We know Scorpio will have exclusive games eventually. By then it will be time for the 12 tflop beast known as the PS5 and next gen will be here. Probably followed by another Xbox in 2020 because Microsoft loves to release new hardware every 4 years.
Again, your understanding of business is less than a child's. We're talking simply about the gpu AND we don't know the launch price of Scorpio, 40% price doesn't equate to 40% power dummy. Wow. Thought I'd give you the chance to admit you dont know anything about business, more deflection.
You are claiming the price to make the console would drop by 40% if it was made in 2017 instead of 2016. Start referencing your sources and information for this. Nothing changed 40% from 2016 to 2017, you moron.
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Haven't we had this conversation before? I seem to recall... Something about me posting gifs in resonse to your reasonong...... Eh, not worth it! Ignoring in 3... 2... 1....
I think it's fairly common knowledge that prices come down over time, same as costs of manufacturing come down. That doesn't mean we have huge upgrades in power every year, that seems to be taking longer than it used to. We are also talking what's going into consoles here not high end PC parts so the starting point for these machines isn't at the top of the hill but rather half way to three quarters of the way up the hill.
Yeah, and your broken logic flat out ignored the fact that the jump between the PS2 and the PS3 is not 2tf despite giving us a graphical leap greater than anything we have today. Keep trying.
Anyways, the difference in costs and performance of today's hardware compared to last year's is non-existent. There is no benefit from releasing the Xbox Scorpio in 2017 over 2016.
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Then why didn't Sony make the PS4 Pro just as powerful as Scorpio...?
Seriously I'm not trying to be a d*ck, but if what you are saying is true, why do you think MS waited...?
I don't know. You'd have to ask them. But probably for the same reason Microsoft made the Xbox One 30% weaker than the ps4. Or the same the Xbox 360 didn't have a bluray player. They both have different strategies for winning. Sony is going cost effective with their 4K solution. And Scorpio is going for brute power.
I meant no benefit as far as pricing and performance goes. 2017 is the first tock. So everything this year is just rebranded hardware with a slightly higher price.
TEH MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE EVaR MADE!!!1!!1!1!!111
Seriously though, that has to be the lamest bit of of marketing / buzz phrase I can remember in recent history. I'm sure it's probably been used for past consoles, but it's hard to not find completely ridiculous.
Seriously though, that has to be the lamest bit of of marketing / buzz phrase I can remember in recent history. I'm sure it's probably been used for past consoles, but it's hard to not find completely ridiculous.