Edge: PS4 9 million "sold", Harrison: X1 "north of 5 million"

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Shawn Jelsic said:
a bit irrelevant to a sense, but the PS2 has ceased with those figures while the PS3 has not. so when that happens only THEN can we determine how much market was actually lost.

on another note, it appears that the market has grown since the PS2, original Xbox, and Game Cube as those figures are significantly different (~160, ~25, ~20) from last generation.
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It's also a comparison that shouldn't be made, for the reasons I listed above. PS2 simply did not have the kind of strong competition that the PS3 had with the 360.
That's like saying Boxer A in the 1990s was better for winning 10 fights against wimps than Boxer B in the 2000s for only winning 7 fights against heavy hitters.
 
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naty said:
I think it's catered more to the younger population. Let's face it, a majority of the posters here enjoy the relatively more mature crowd and games. I have fun with it still but more so with friends. Alone, I prefer the PS4/X1.
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I'm starting to think the Wii U crowd are gamers like me in their 30s that grew up playing NES and have the money to own more than one console.

I feel like kids are more interested in having an Xbox or PlayStation.
 
blue said:
I'm starting to think the Wii U crowd are gamers like me in their 30s that grew up playing NES and have the money to own more than one console.

I feel like kids are more interested in having an Xbox or PlayStation.
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Maybe, haha. I'm not there yet. I'm just too addicted to the Trophy/Achievements system but in a party setting, the Wii U is definitely loads of fun.
 
blue said:
I'm starting to think the Wii U crowd are gamers like me in their 30s that grew up playing NES and have the money to own more than one console.

I feel like kids are more interested in having an Xbox or PlayStation.
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To a certain extent. I'm around the same age as you and I've owned more Nintendo consoles and products than anything else, but their games now are rubbish in my opinion. I much prefer xbox and playstation for the offering.
 
what all you need to remember is eventually how many people will own both. It may take years to see if cloud and everything else starts to really take effect the way I expect it to.
By then all the hype will have died down. People will be buying X1 who already own 4s.
the real question is how many people won't buy a console based on lack of games in 3 to 5 years.
 
Smurfboy said:
I predicted that PS4 will be selling more than 14m by the end of this year. And someone didn't believe me. We shall see!!! Mwahahaha.
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Probably 12 million imo, maybe 13 mil if Nov and Dec are million+ sellers. 14m isn't realistic.

assuming 8m right now and 6 months left in the year
11m = 3/6 = 500k avg a month, reasonable
12m 4/6 = 666k avg a month, if Sept, Nov, and Dec are killer months then maybe
13m 5/6 = 830k a month, optimistic
14m 6/6 = 1 mil avg a month, not happening. the only two months with a remote chance of 1+ mil are nov and dec
 
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blue said:
I'm starting to think the Wii U crowd are gamers like me in their 30s that grew up playing NES and have the money to own more than one console.

I feel like kids are more interested in having an Xbox or PlayStation.
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It's coming full circle for me. I'm 28 and my first consoles were the NES and SNES. I skipped on the N64, GameCube, and only had a Wii for a couple months. That said, I love the Wii U now and it reminds me of the great games and times I enjoyed gaming as a kid.
 
Qbert, excluding PS2 is ridiculous.

Secondly, you and I agree that last gen, Sony's brand name is what saved them from dying completely, but that doesn't actually prove anything about this gen.

My point stands unchallenged. The brand name is valuable but to what extend is pure subjective speculation, and nothing more... but what last gen DID prove, is that even without a well-known/globally established and matured brand, if you make the best product, you can win the biggest gaming market in the world.

In any case, even if you did 'disqualify PS2' (which is totally ridiculous), PS1 sold over 100 million, and it was Sony's FIRST stab at the games console market. PS3 did worse than their first console. That's really sad, and shows that their brand wasn't enough to make their inferior product stand up against a relative new-comer to the industry in the biggest gaming market in the world.

So again, you can keep telling yourself that it's Sony's brand that's the number one contributor to their success this gen, but that's just patently unsubstantiated, and it's certainly not what industry analysts have suggested...

PS1: over 100 million
PS2: nearly 160 million
PS3: 80 million

Xbox Prime: around 25 million
Xbox 360: 80 million
Xbox One: Beating same lifetime sales as Xbox 360...

Obviously, Microsoft is in a great position. Sony lost massive market share last gen (they even did worse last gen than they did with their first foray into the console industry), but this gen, they're doing great. It really is a good time for both companies... but Microsoft's upward trajectory speaks well for the company generation over generation... the same cannot be said for Sony's position, with such a massive blunder last gen.
 
The Wolf King said:
True but 2 2nd place finishes in a business many said they didn't belong in(Same with Sony actually) and well over 100M units sold is nothing to dismiss.

PS is the more popular brand world wide but not 'way beyond' Xbox.
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compare PS,PS2,PS3 and PS4 thus far numbers to XB,360 and XBO(thus far)
Its not even close
 
Flynn said:
Qbert, excluding PS2 is ridiculous.

Secondly, you and I agree that last gen, Sony's brand name is what saved them from dying completely, but that doesn't actually prove anything about this gen.

My point stands unchallenged. The brand name is valuable but to what extend is pure subjective speculation, and nothing more... but what last gen DID prove, is that even without a well-known/globally established and matured brand, if you make the best product, you can win the biggest gaming market in the world.

In any case, even if you did 'disqualify PS2' (which is totally ridiculous), PS1 sold over 100 million, and it was Sony's FIRST stab at the games console market. PS3 did worse than their first console. That's really sad, and shows that their brand wasn't enough to make their inferior product stand up against a relative new-comer to the industry in the biggest gaming market in the world.

So again, you can keep telling yourself that it's Sony's brand that's the number one contributor to their success this gen, but that's just patently unsubstantiated, and it's certainly not what industry analysts have suggested...

PS1: over 100 million
PS2: nearly 160 million
PS3: 80 million

Xbox Prime: around 25 million
Xbox 360: 80 million
Xbox One: Beating same lifetime sales as Xbox 360...

Obviously, Microsoft is in a great position. Sony lost massive market share last gen (they even did worse last gen than they did with their first foray into the console industry), but this gen, they're doing great. It really is a good time for both companies... but Microsoft's upward trajectory speaks well for the company generation over generation... the same cannot be said for Sony's position, with such a massive blunder last gen.
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Comparing PS2 success to the PS3's is ridiculous as the price's were wayyyyy different between the 2.
 
VaLLiancE said:
compare PS,PS2,PS3 and PS4 thus far numbers to XB,360 and XBO(thus far)
Its not even close
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Yeah, but numbers and stats are a fun thing.

Compare generation over generation growth, and it's not even lose. Xbox destroys PS.

But such comparisons don't mean much.

What really matters is that this gen looks good and healthy for both.
 
starseeker said:
What are the awesome AAA games that PS4 have?PS4 have like 3 AAA exclusive so far;Infamous, Killzone, & Knack last I checked. Generous speaking, Infamous is good, & Killzone decent, Knack, well....

Yes PS4 is dominating, but I I find it hard to think it was because it has awesome AAA games. Just my opinion.
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Both consoles don't have AAA exclusives that are must haves right now.

PS4: Knack, Killzone: SF, Infamous: SS, FF XIV Realm Reborn, Transistor
X1: Ryse, Forza 5, Titanfall, DR3, Killer Instinct

IMO, The best one out right now though is Infamous: SS. For X1, the best one is Ryse or Forza 5. There's nothing else until Forza Horizon 2 or Sunset Overdrive comes out for X1 but PS4 has TLoU Remastered out at end of July.
 
Flynn said:
Yeah, but numbers and stats are a fun thing.

Compare generation over generation growth, and it's not even lose. Xbox destroys PS.

But such comparisons don't mean much.

What really matters is that this gen looks good and healthy for both.
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dat PS3 higher price and year late start is the only reason.... sorry
 
naty said:
Both consoles don't have AAA exclusives that are must haves right now.

PS4: Knack, Killzone: SF, Infamous: SS, FF XIV Realm Reborn, Transistor
X1: Ryse, Forza 5, Titanfall, DR3, Killer Instinct

IMO, The best one out right now though is Infamous: SS. For X1, the best one is Ryse or Forza 5. There's nothing else until Forza Horizon 2 or Sunset Overdrive comes out for X1 but PS4 has TLoU Remastered out at end of July.
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I agree they don't but the best of the bunch IMO favor the XBO but its a meaningless victory as back to what I agree with you on being neither have AAA exclusives worth shouting or bragging about.
 
The Wolf King said:
4 vs 3 nice odds
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That wasn't the point.... they have more (way more) homes with PS consoles then XB consoles.
So yeah its much more popular. This gen is Sony's not making the mistakes they made last gen(mainly price/release time) They are on even grounds and look at the results. Who is surprised that the PS4 with worse 1st party games is still whooping(yes its a whooping) the XBO?
 
VaLLiancE said:
Comparing PS2 success to the PS3's is ridiculous as the price's were wayyyyy different between the 2.
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Not only were the price different, but the competition it faced was different. Again, and he's failing to see the point...PS2 did NOT have the same competition the way PS3 had. PS2 did NOT have a console to compete with that had almost all of the same games, and better versions of them....all in a cheaper console.

Again, if not for name, PS3 would have flopped next to the 360.


Sony's brand name is what saved them from dying completely
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So.......name brand was the primary reason. It is what saved them.....because name brand carries weight. It wasn't pricing. It wasn't the games. It wasn't the console's power. It was name. Which kinda goes hand in hand with what I'm saying.....NAME is what's making PS4 #1 right now. Name is what saved PS3 and had PS3 outsell 360. Name. Anyone claiming that price is the primary factor now is ignoring how it was NOT a factor last gen. 360 was the better and cheaper console...and PS3 still outsold it. Making excuses about price now is just that....making excuses. Even with the overhyped TF bundled package, XB1 couldn't beat PS4. So no, price is not the primary reason.
 
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PS2 also had the benefit of DVD. Lots bought one for that!
Would be great but I don't think we will ever see PS2 style numbers again.
 
The Wolf King said:
PS2 also had the benefit of DVD. Lots bought one for that!
Would be great but I don't think we will ever see PS2 style numbers again.
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We won't, which is why I said it was an anomaly. As for PS1, it was nearly 10 years before the PS2 came out. Again, without the same kind of competition. So, broken down yearly, PS1 sales are not that different from PS3.
 
Name only goes so far though. Look at the $600 PS3. That was a factor. A major one. Yes they caught up. But after numerous price drops and meaningful exclusive content came around.

If Microsoft had the upper hand hardware wise, NA would be much more interesting imo. Without the power and third party advantage, Microsoft will have to do things out of their comfort zone to succeed. Like creating new compelling franchises.
 
naty said:
Both consoles don't have AAA exclusives that are must haves right now.

PS4: Knack, Killzone: SF, Infamous: SS, FF XIV Realm Reborn, Transistor
X1: Ryse, Forza 5, Titanfall, DR3, Killer Instinct

IMO, The best one out right now though is Infamous: SS. For X1, the best one is Ryse or Forza 5. There's nothing else until Forza Horizon 2 or Sunset Overdrive comes out for X1 but PS4 has TLoU Remastered out at end of July.
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Titanfall is the best MP experience in years, and easily a must buy for competitive gamers. I've sunk WAY more hours into it than all the other X1 exclusives.

In terms of value and fun-factor, Titanfall is probably the single best exclusive on either console. Phenomenal gameplay, very addictive, and (again) easily the best MP experience this Gen.
 
Dno69 said:
Name only goes so far though. Look at the $600 PS3. That was a factor. A major one. Yes they caught up. But after numerous price drops and meaningful exclusive content came around.

If Microsoft had the upper hand hardware wise, NA would be much more interesting imo. Without the power and third party advantage, Microsoft will have to do things out of their comfort zone to succeed. Like creating new compelling franchises.
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It's kind of sad that something SO obviously true (like this post) even needs to be written... But some people just wont budge on their stubborness...
 
Flynn said:
Titanfall is the best MP experience in years, and easily a must buy for competitive gamers. I've sunk WAY more hours into it than all the other X1 exclusives.

In terms of value and fun-factor, Titanfall is probably the single best exclusive on either console. Phenomenal gameplay, very addictive, and (again) easily the best MP experience this Gen.
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Game is average and gets boring fast IMO.
 
Hazard71 said:
Game is average and gets boring fast IMO.
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Sales, play-time, consumer retention, and player levels suggest you're in the minority among Titanfall gamers.

Maybe you just suck? I don't have much fun when I suck either, but now I'm pretty good. It just takes practice, because unlike many other MP games, it requires incredible skill, and intelligent usage of burn cards, weapons, etc. - depending on gametype, level, etc.
 
Flynn said:
Sales, play-time, consumer retention, and player levels suggest you're in the minority among Titanfall gamers.

Maybe you just suck? I don't have much fun when I suck either, but now I'm pretty good. It just takes practice, because unlike many other MP games, it requires incredible skill, and intelligent usage of burn cards, weapons, etc. - depending on gametype, level, etc.
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The classic if you don't like it you must suck.lol Plenty of games I'm not great at that I enjoy. This game just doesn't do it for me. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
 
TF and infamous SS are completely boring. Watchdogs was even more entertaining than both. TF has great gameplay, but got old quick
 
Flynn said:
Maybe you just suck? I don't have much fun when I suck either, but now I'm pretty good. It just takes practice, because unlike many other MP games, it requires incredible skill, and intelligent usage of burn cards, weapons, etc. - depending on gametype, level, etc.
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Seriously. This is a very low class potshot. You were posting decently until these. ....
 
Hazard71 said:
The classic if you don't like it you must suck.lol Plenty of games I'm not great at that I enjoy. This game just doesn't do it for me. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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The facts are clear. Sales, user contention, average player levels, average time invested - Xbox Live has all of that tracked, and the number for Titanfall are amazing.

Therefore, it doesn't matter to me what you think. No feelings hurt. The fact is, among Titanfall gamers, a higher volume than others find it has legs, and continue to invest time in it (myself included).

The numbers are clear. It's retaining a ton of users.

So again, you're in the minority among Titanfall gamers. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
 
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